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Largest equipement-shortest route, smallest equipment-longest route

Wed Jun 29, 2016 7:40 am

I am curious to know what those could be. And why airlines would do it that way? I am looking at point to point services and not equipment moving flights.
 
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Wed Jun 29, 2016 1:53 pm

The largest equipment/shortest route award probably goes to JL and NH, who routinely use 777s on extremely short domestic flights like HND-ITM. Tomorrow I also see a JL 767 on HND-NGO, which is even shorter.

Barring the 757, I imagine CM would be a strong contender for smallest equipment/longest route.
 
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Wed Jun 29, 2016 1:58 pm

Copa (CM) does PTY down to EZE in a miserable 737 with recliners up front.
 
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Re: Largest equipement-shortest route, smallest equipment-longest route

Wed Jun 29, 2016 2:05 pm

Bonaire – Curacao is 74/75km and is done on a 787.

I think that there is another city pair of similar stage length in Africa which gets widebodies. My memory thought that it might be Kinshasa - Brazzaville ... but that's not right. From memory there's a large lake between the two cities (which is not K-B) which takes a day by ferry but 20 mins in a widebody.
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Re: Largest equipement-shortest route, smallest equipment-longest route

Wed Jun 29, 2016 2:10 pm

For the Small Equipment - Longest Route side of the equation, it probably goes to UA Express routes on E-145 / E-170 types.

I know these fly like IAH-CANADA routes.
 
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Wed Jun 29, 2016 2:24 pm

Back in the 1970s and 1980s, NW flew DC-10s and 747s out of ORD to MSP and DTW. I think NW used to fly DC-10s on MKE-MSP.

I've found that from time to time, AA flies a 763 on MCO-MIA, which for frequent flyer purposes is only 192 miles.
 
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Wed Jun 29, 2016 2:25 pm

For AC -currently

Shortest - it's a 763 for one of its YYZ-YOW flights at just over 1hr.

Longest its a Rouge A319 for YHZ-YYC at 5hr 40minutes.

Back in 1997 there was a AC flight YOW-YUL-LHR using a 744.

The YOW-YUL duration is around 40 minutes.
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Re: Largest equipement-shortest route, smallest equipment-longest route

Wed Jun 29, 2016 2:40 pm

I'd have to imagine that EK or EY flying between AUH and DXB would rank up there somewhere, given that EK really doesn't have much smaller than the 777. Also, (in the past), SR used to fly MD-11 equipment between GVA-ZRH at times as the M11s cycled off of the GVA-JFK route through the rest of the route network. Does LX fly any 77Ws or 330/340s on Le Pendulair to cycle the aircraft through?
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Re: Largest equipement-shortest route, smallest equipment-longest route

Wed Jun 29, 2016 2:51 pm

Regarding small equipment on long flights, according to Wikipedia (FWIW) the longest A32x flight is, no surprise, BA LCY-JFK, while for the 737 family (excluding NH's NRT-BOM on the -700ER) it is Sunwing's YVR-PUJ, which is 3201 NM, but flown by a 738.

dmstorm22 wrote:
For the Small Equipment - Longest Route side of the equation, it probably goes to UA Express routes on E-145 / E-170 types.

I know these fly like IAH-CANADA routes.
In the world of RJs IAH does indeed represent with YYC-IAH at 1518 NM on an AC Jazz CR7, while for the E70/E75 it's UA's IAH-YEG by distance (1611 NM) but YUL-IAH by block time (4h 28m). FYI EWR-OMA at 994 NM appears to be the longest E145 flight.

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I'd have to imagine that EK or EY flying between AUH and DXB would rank up there somewhere, given that EK really doesn't have much smaller than the 777.

Neither EK nor EY actually fly DXB-AUH, but you do have both EK and QR on DXB-DOH and QR and EY on AUH-DOH, although I imagine there are more narrowbodies on the latter route.
 
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Re: Largest equipement-shortest route, smallest equipment-longest route

Wed Jun 29, 2016 2:52 pm

EMB170 wrote:
I'd have to imagine that EK or EY flying between AUH and DXB would rank up there somewhere, given that EK really doesn't have much smaller than the 777. Also, (in the past), SR used to fly MD-11 equipment between GVA-ZRH at times as the M11s cycled off of the GVA-JFK route through the rest of the route network. Does LX fly any 77Ws or 330/340s on Le Pendulair to cycle the aircraft through?


There are no flights between DXB and AUH. They are around 1h30 to drive - not even 90 miles apart from city center to city center.

Shortest widebody flights scheduled out there (for June) are as follows:
BA ANU-SKB, 2x/wk, 777, 63 miles
Dragonair CAN-HKG, daily, A330-300, 71 miles
Ethopian SSG-DLA, 3x/wk, 787-8, 72 miles
BA/KLM/QR DOH-BAH, BA daily 777, QR 1x/wk 788, KL 5x/wk 332, 91 miles

Most of these are simple tag-ons with the exception of the 1x/wk QR 788 and the Dragonair flight, which surely is just to facilitate connections versus crossing the landborder and traversing all of Hong Kong to reach the airport facilities there.
 
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Re: Largest equipement-shortest route, smallest equipment-longest route

Wed Jun 29, 2016 2:58 pm

Sightseer wrote:
dmstorm22 wrote:
For the Small Equipment - Longest Route side of the equation, it probably goes to UA Express routes on E-145 / E-170 types.

I know these fly like IAH-CANADA routes.
In the world of RJs IAH does indeed represent with YYC-IAH at 1518 NM on an AC Jazz CR7, while for the E70/E75 it's UA's IAH-YEG by distance (1611 NM) but YUL-IAH by block time (4h 28m). FYI EWR-OMA at 994 NM appears to be the longest E145 flight.



Thanks for digging those up. I took IAH-YYC once - it was not fun.

Didn't realize the EWR-OMA flight was on a E145 - that's just brutal.
 
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Re: Largest equipement-shortest route, smallest equipment-longest route

Wed Jun 29, 2016 3:07 pm

Isn't PrivatAir using a 737BBJ on PNQ-MUC route? Heard its a cash cow!
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Wed Jun 29, 2016 3:12 pm

DXB-KWI on the EK A380 must be the shortest A380 route..
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Wed Jun 29, 2016 3:16 pm

Lots of <200nm flights with 77W from both DXB and DOH. I suspect the shortest scheduled A380 flight might be DXB-KWI at less than 500nm.
 
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Wed Jun 29, 2016 3:17 pm

Cipango wrote:
DXB-KWI on the EK A380 must be the shortest A380 route..


Yes. Next closest is CZ on PEK-CTU.
 
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Re: Largest equipement-shortest route, smallest equipment-longest route

Wed Jun 29, 2016 4:01 pm

Czech Airlines sometimes operates ATR72 on its route from PRG to ODS, instead of usual A319. Flight time in that case is 3 hours, and covered distance is 797 miles (GCM), fairly close to maximum range of that plane.
 
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Wed Jun 29, 2016 4:12 pm

ANC/DUT is 790 miles on an SF3
 
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Re: Largest equipement-shortest route, smallest equipment-longest route

Wed Jun 29, 2016 5:09 pm

Sightseer wrote:
Regarding small equipment on long flights, according to Wikipedia (FWIW) the longest A32x flight is, no surprise, BA LCY-JFK, while for the 737 family (excluding NH's NRT-BOM on the -700ER) it is Sunwing's YVR-PUJ, which is 3201 NM, but flown by a 738.
Is Sunwing YVR-PUJ non-stop both ways or extremely weight-restricted westbound?
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Wed Jun 29, 2016 5:24 pm

2travel2know2 wrote:
Is Sunwing YVR-PUJ non-stop both ways or extremely weight-restricted westbound?

Upon further investigation, it appears that the flight stops in YYZ in both directions. So disregard Sunwing in this discussion. The next-longest non-ER 737 flight (again, according to Wiki) would then be CM PTY-MVD on a 73G.
 
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Re: Largest equipement-shortest route, smallest equipment-longest route

Wed Jun 29, 2016 5:29 pm

Shortest: Delta 747-400 between DTW and MSP.
Longest: United CRJ-700 between MSP and LAX.
 
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Wed Jun 29, 2016 5:33 pm

no longer valid in this day and age (due to regulations), but JAL+ANA used to run super-high frequencies on HND-ITM with 747s (before Shinkansen really took off). Not sure if they had run them on HND-NGO though, which would've been ever shorter. SIN-KUL also sees frequent wide body service even though it's less than 200mi straight line.
 
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Re: Largest equipement-shortest route, smallest equipment-longest route

Wed Jun 29, 2016 6:09 pm

I've flown on a CR-7 PSP-IAH and connected to another CR-7 IAH-IAD.

That's only 125 miles short of flying CR-7s transcon.
 
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Wed Jun 29, 2016 7:59 pm

I have flown QR on the 777 from DOH to DMM. It is definitely shorter than AUH/DXB to DOH. The distance is 102 miles (straight line). Obviously driving time is much longer since there is no bridge.

Gulf Air does fly from DMM to BAH which is even shorter but it's a narrowbody.

At one time United had a DC10 between DEN and COS google says it's 96 miles between the two airports. The city of Denver is not 96 miles from the city Colorado Springs, but you know the airport is a distance outside the city. COS airport is on the south side of Colorado Springs while the Denver airport is northeast of the city thus inflating the official distance. Of course it's not a DC10 now and hasn't for a long time.
 
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Wed Jun 29, 2016 9:58 pm

I believe Camair operate the 767-300 on BZV-FIH, which is 16 miles. Not sure if it's regularly scheduled.

At the other end of the spectrum you have BA's JFK-LCY on a 32 seat A318 at 3,418 miles, or Air Iceland's RKV-GOH on the 37 seat Q200 at 891 miles.


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Wed Jun 29, 2016 11:09 pm

IAH-YYC is, I believe, the longest CRJ route in existence.
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Thu Jun 30, 2016 1:49 am

[quote="Sightseer"]Regarding small equipment on long flights, according to Wikipedia (FWIW) the longest A32x flight is, no surprise, BA LCY-JFK, while for the 737 family (excluding NH's NRT-BOM on the -700ER) it is Sunwing's YVR-PUJ, which is 3201 NM, but flown by a 738.

No service YVR-PUJ currently. It was probably an infrequent winter seasonal service if it operated.
 
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Thu Jun 30, 2016 1:57 am

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Thanks for digging those up. I took IAH-YYC once - it was not fun.
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Why didn't you like the AC CRJ 705 on IAH-YYC? Those aircraft currently have the best Y class seat pitch of the entire AC mainline fleet, and the same seatback IFE system. And no middle seat.

However I understand the Jazz CRJ 705s (which are actually CRJ 900s with fewer seats) are being converted to CRJ 900s soon with less seat pitch in the main Y cabin and the increased pitch only in the forward Y+ "preferred" rows like the AC mainline narrowbody fleet, and the existing 2-1 J class configuration.
 
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Re: Largest equipement-shortest route, smallest equipment-longest route

Thu Jun 30, 2016 2:06 am

Sightseer wrote:
excluding NH's NRT-BOM on the -700ER

It's operated by 787-8 since March 27.
 
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Thu Jun 30, 2016 3:27 am

FedEx and UPS run some extremely short A306/767/757 sectors like OKC-TUL, OKC-ICT for tags / pick ups. Sometimes they won't even climb above 20k feet.

ExpressJet as UAX used to operate EWR-OKC on the 145. Rode that sucker once. Butt was sore for days. I hate the 145 seats.

Although not regularly scheduled, I'm sure it happens routinely a Widebody departs EWR/JFK for each other following a diversion for repositioning. The approach queue is probably 10x longer than the actual distance between the two airports!
 
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Thu Jun 30, 2016 3:41 am

Viscount724 wrote:
However I understand the Jazz CRJ 705s (which are actually CRJ 900s with fewer seats) are being converted to CRJ 900s soon with less seat pitch in the main Y cabin and the increased pitch only in the forward Y+ "preferred" rows like the AC mainline narrowbody fleet, and the existing 2-1 J class configuration.

I am not sure why (or how) they would do that, as they are still restricted to 75 seats when flying as Air Canada Express.
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Thu Jun 30, 2016 5:57 am

all be this a few years ago now, I guess CDG-LHR for AF A380 would be a pretty good one. BA A380s on the LHR-FRA were a longer route but that was twice daily, all be they were all for crew training, they were done over a period of time and part of the regular commercial schedule. I remember years ago (1986 to be precise) KLM used to fly a B742 into LHR as part of a scheduled service .....I don't recall if it was daily or not, or what the purpose was - whether it was cargo or crew training.
 
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Thu Jun 30, 2016 6:11 am

a380787 wrote:
SIN-KUL also sees frequent wide body service even though it's less than 200mi straight line.


Yeap, all of SQ mainline's flights on this route are operated by A330s
 
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Thu Jun 30, 2016 6:27 am

EMB170 wrote:
Does LX fly any 77Ws or 330/340s on Le Pendulair to cycle the aircraft through?


They do. LX is flying the 77W ZRH-GVA for crew training purposes. On top of that there is a daily flight 330 flight, to position the plane fore the GVA-JFK route.

For the smallest plane/longest route, I think CM with the PTY-MVD and PTY-EZE routes is a winner.
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Thu Jun 30, 2016 7:02 am

@quic330

There is no daily 333 from ZRH to GVA. The plane makes a W turn ZRH-JFK-GVA-JFK-ZRH. They make it fly inner switzerland only if the plane has a tech in GVA or has been canceled from JFK.

I think that LX 77W on a 30 minutes flight from GVA-ZRH might be a winner.
 
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Thu Jun 30, 2016 7:37 am

UA used to run a DC-10 from DEN-COS-DEN (late 80s, early 90s), as a tag on from somewhere that returned to DEN. About 70 miles, this would have been to Stapleton Airport, as DIA wasn't around yet. I'm sure it didn't take in local traffic (as most of those mentioned above wouldn't either). But, it was part of the schedule.

I think there were DC-10s used by NW between cities in Montana at some point, but not sure when or where to look.
Edit: I found it, late 1970s NW did run DC-10s between BIL, GTF, GEG, and SEA, though each of these segments were over 170 miles, so not as short as the COS-DEN DC-10s on UA.
 
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Thu Jun 30, 2016 8:21 am

PlymSpotter wrote:
I believe Camair operate the 767-300 on BZV-FIH, which is 16 miles. Not sure if it's regularly scheduled.


Not sure if any airlines actually offer this sector for sale.
Similarly like TK operating JNB-DUR and JNB-MPM at roughly 40mins flight each, but only as tag and not having local traffic rights.

Regarding smallest, Airlink (SA) operate the following 1200nm+ routes with ERJ135:
JNB-Pemba (POL) , 1206mi
JNB-TNR, although mostly with AR8, but sometimes ER3 , 1328mi
JNB-NosyBe (NOS), oneway, 1573mi
The return NOS-JNB stops en-route at BEW
 
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Thu Jun 30, 2016 8:45 am

SA Airlink JNB POL often, not nice. prefer LAM E190 though they stop over in MPM but very comfortable and same fare get you Business
 
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Thu Jun 30, 2016 4:39 pm

Check CM's network and you'll find plenty of boring 6+ hours 737 flights... :roll:
 
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Thu Jun 30, 2016 11:29 pm

Qantas used to operate SYD-MEL and SYD-BNE with the 763 before they retired it. On the other extreme, they use the 738 for SYD/MEL/BNE-PER, as does Virgin Australia.

Air Niugini uses the 763 on daily POM-BNE, a little shy of 3 hours.

Air New Zealand also uses the 772 and 773 for AKL-SYD/MEL/BNE flights.

If you count stopovers, then Emirates flies to A380 daily between SYD/MEL/BNE and AKL. China Airlines flies the A330 between SYD/BNE-AKL (the BNE route is a 744 during the summer). Air Asia X flies the A330 between OOL-AKL.

I don't know if anyone else has mentioned it, but China Airlines, EVA Air and Cathay use heavy equipment for their TPE-HKG routes. Any short haul for Cathay, Emirates or Singapore counts because they have an all-heavy fleet.
 
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Fri Jul 01, 2016 1:30 am

jayeshrulz wrote:
Isn't PrivatAir using a 737BBJ on PNQ-MUC route? Heard its a cash cow!
Its about 8 hours on the 737!

It is PNQ-FRA
 
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Fri Jul 01, 2016 2:12 am

rampart wrote:
UA used to run a DC-10 from DEN-COS-DEN (late 80s, early 90s), as a tag on from somewhere that returned to DEN. About 70 miles, this would have been to Stapleton Airport, as DIA wasn't around yet. I'm sure it didn't take in local traffic (as most of those mentioned above wouldn't either). But, it was part of the schedule.



Yes the UA DC-10 DEN-COS-DEN did carry local traffic. There would be no reason not to. It appears in the October 1991 OAG. UA146 departed DEN 1900, arrived COS 1936, daily except Saturday. It originated LAX. The aircraft overnighted at COS and operated as UA293 the next morning, daily except Sunday, departed COS 0710, arrived DEN 0745 and continued to SEA at 0835.
 
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Tue Jul 05, 2016 6:26 am

Philippine Airlines operate a 7h A320 flight from Manilla to Cairns, which continues to Auckland
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Tue Jul 05, 2016 4:05 pm

LamboAston wrote:
Philippine Airlines operate a 7h A320 flight from Manilla to Cairns, which continues to Auckland


They also operate a four hour A320 flight to Darwin, which then continues to Brisbane (no fifth freedom rights though).
 
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Tue Jul 05, 2016 4:38 pm

The A318 (smallest Airbus model) made the longest route from London-City to New York-JFK.
Japanese airlines have used wide-bodied aircraft (notably the 747, 767, 777, or 787) on short domestic routes, despite the fact that most wide-bodied aircraft are capable of flying long routes. Hawaiian Airlines have used the 767 on inter-island flights after Aloha and ATA stopped flying in 2008, most likely transporting stranded passengers after the shutdown of Aloha and ATA, although they usually fly the 767 on flights out of Hawaii (particularly the US mainland) and the 717 on island hopping flights at that time.
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Tue Jul 05, 2016 6:01 pm

Gulf Air flies BAH-CDG route with an a320 which is a 3000 mile(4828 km) route and its the longest a320 route.
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Tue Jul 05, 2016 6:20 pm

Air Canada A319 LHR to St John's or BA A318 LCY-JFK got to be up there
 
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Tue Jul 05, 2016 6:53 pm

Purolator (Kelowna Flightcraft), up until just over a year ago flew a B727 from YVR to YYJ... all of 8 minutes.
 
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Tue Jul 05, 2016 7:56 pm

G3 used to fly 737s from GRU/GIG to MIA/MCO, with a stop in SDQ
 
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Tue Jul 05, 2016 8:07 pm

Sightseer wrote:
In the world of RJs IAH does indeed represent with YYC-IAH at 1518 NM on an AC Jazz CR7, while for the E70/E75 it's UA's IAH-YEG by distance (1611 NM) but YUL-IAH by block time (4h 28m).


To my knowledge, IAH-YEG has flown on E75 equipment only once in the last year. Can't really count it anymore.

metroline2006 wrote:
Air Canada A319 LHR to St John's or BA A318 LCY-JFK got to be up there


For AC, YYC-YHZ is longer, as mentioned.
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Tue Jul 05, 2016 8:43 pm

precure787 wrote:
The A318 (smallest Airbus model) made the longest route from London-City to New York-JFK.


They do, but always with a stop in SNN where it's being refueled. The runway in LCY is too short to allow for such a long flight. SNN-JFK is still a long flight, but not as long as LCY-JFK.

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Military Aircraft Every type from fighters to helicopters from air forces around the globe

Classic Airliners Props and jets from the good old days

Flight Decks Views from inside the cockpit

Aircraft Cabins Passenger cabin shots showing seat arrangements as well as cargo aircraft interior

Cargo Aircraft Pictures of great freighter aircraft

Government Aircraft Aircraft flying government officials

Helicopters Our large helicopter section. Both military and civil versions

Blimps / Airships Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin

Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos