I was wondering, what would be your ideal fleet, if you had an airline that does a lot of overseas routes?
For me:
4 A380s
8 77Ws
8 A350s
8 787s
PS: This my first post in the new A-Net.
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Your Perfect fleet for an overseas airline?
Hello
I was wondering, what would be your ideal fleet, if you had an airline that does a lot of overseas routes?
For me:
4 A380s
8 77Ws
8 A350s
8 787s
PS: This my first post in the new A-Net.
I was wondering, what would be your ideal fleet, if you had an airline that does a lot of overseas routes?
For me:
4 A380s
8 77Ws
8 A350s
8 787s
PS: This my first post in the new A-Net.
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- PatrickZ80
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Re: Your Perfect fleet for an overseas airline?
You mean an all long-haul airline? I'd stick to one type of aircraft, 787-9 only. How many of them? The more the better of course.
Re: Your Perfect fleet for an overseas airline?
It would depend on what routes I was running and the traffic, but in general I would be looking at the A350, 787 and 777 families if I was starting operations "today".
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- cageyjames
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Re: Your Perfect fleet for an overseas airline?
My ideal fleet would be DC-10s and MD-11s but that is why I'm not running an airline.
Re: Your Perfect fleet for an overseas airline?
What would an airline be without a million 748i's? 
If we include "paper airplanes" in this, I'd go with the 737-7.5 and -10 for the lower capacity side (TATL of course), and A359/LR/1000 for the upper. Maybe 788 or A338 for the mid range, maybe even new-build 763s if offered a good deal.
If we include "paper airplanes" in this, I'd go with the 737-7.5 and -10 for the lower capacity side (TATL of course), and A359/LR/1000 for the upper. Maybe 788 or A338 for the mid range, maybe even new-build 763s if offered a good deal.
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- LeCoqFrancais
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Re: Your Perfect fleet for an overseas airline?
It depends if I was launching a premium long haul airline or if I was launching a more low cost/charter long haul airline.
For a premium airline I would look at long haul fleet consisting of:
- Airbus A330-200/-300 for all flights under 9 hour flights (later replaced by Airbus A330-800/-900)
- Boeing 787-8/-9/-10 for all flights over 10 hours that serve a smaller market either from passenger point of view or a cargo point of view.
- Boeing 777-300(ER) for all the flights that demand a high number of seats or that has good cargo demand (later replaced by the Boeing 777-9)
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For a low cost/charter airline I would look at long haul fleet consisting of:
- Airbus A330-200/-300 for all flights under 9 hour flights (later replaced by Airbus A330-800/-900)
- Boeing 787-8/-9/-10 for all flights over 10 hours.
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My Airbus A330-200/-300 fleet would be Rolls-Royce Trent 700 powered, my Airbus A330-800/-900 fleet would be Rolls-Royce Trent 7000 powered, my Boeing 787-8/-9/-10 fleet would be Rolls-Royce Trent 1000 powered, my Boeing 777-300(ER) fleet would be GE90 powered and my Boeing 777-9 fleet would be GE9X powered.
For a premium airline I would look at long haul fleet consisting of:
- Airbus A330-200/-300 for all flights under 9 hour flights (later replaced by Airbus A330-800/-900)
- Boeing 787-8/-9/-10 for all flights over 10 hours that serve a smaller market either from passenger point of view or a cargo point of view.
- Boeing 777-300(ER) for all the flights that demand a high number of seats or that has good cargo demand (later replaced by the Boeing 777-9)
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For a low cost/charter airline I would look at long haul fleet consisting of:
- Airbus A330-200/-300 for all flights under 9 hour flights (later replaced by Airbus A330-800/-900)
- Boeing 787-8/-9/-10 for all flights over 10 hours.
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My Airbus A330-200/-300 fleet would be Rolls-Royce Trent 700 powered, my Airbus A330-800/-900 fleet would be Rolls-Royce Trent 7000 powered, my Boeing 787-8/-9/-10 fleet would be Rolls-Royce Trent 1000 powered, my Boeing 777-300(ER) fleet would be GE90 powered and my Boeing 777-9 fleet would be GE9X powered.
Re: Your Perfect fleet for an overseas airline?
Easy.. 787-8, -9, and -10 for TATL/NSAm, capacity, and TPAC..
Re: Your Perfect fleet for an overseas airline?
One of every type of plane ever built.
Actually, make that two. One for the regular livery, and one for a special livery.
Actually, make that two. One for the regular livery, and one for a special livery.
Re: Your Perfect fleet for an overseas airline?
For me:
B757-200ER (for routes between 3000-4000 mi and routes that need time to prove themselves)
A330-200/-300HGW (for routes between 4000-7000 mi and shorter routes that need upgauging)
B777-300ER (for high capacity, high demand routes)
A350-900ULR (for ultra-long haul; >7000 mi)
B757-200ER (for routes between 3000-4000 mi and routes that need time to prove themselves)
A330-200/-300HGW (for routes between 4000-7000 mi and shorter routes that need upgauging)
B777-300ER (for high capacity, high demand routes)
A350-900ULR (for ultra-long haul; >7000 mi)
Re: Your Perfect fleet for an overseas airline?
cageyjames wrote:My ideal fleet would be DC-10s and MD-11s but that is why I'm not running an airline.
You must love Fed Ex. Lol
Now I do wish the MDXXX would have been built.
Re: Your Perfect fleet for an overseas airline?
TWA772LR wrote:What would an airline be without a million 748i's?
If we include "paper airplanes" in this, I'd go with the 737-7.5 and -10 for the lower capacity side (TATL of course), and A359/LR/1000 for the upper. Maybe 788 or A338 for the mid range, maybe even new-build 763s if offered a good deal.
I should have add 748s, and I guess If built, I could add 737-10.
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- PlaneCookies
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Interesting topic. I've been playing a head game similar to this, the scenario is a "what if" scenario, what if WW2 went slightly different and Poland ended up west of the iron curtain and LOT ended up being almost like a proto-ME3 carrier which connects the world through its WAW hub. I figured the following fleet:
Narrow body
ATR-72 for domestic and smaller Eastern European routes
Embraer E-jet for thinner, longer intra European rutes
B737 family for trunk European routes, and thinner central Asia, middle east, north Africa routes
Widebody
A332 for long thin routes, South America, secondary Chinese and US cities - to be replaced by B787-8/9
A333 for China, India, trunk central Asia, and East Coast US - to be replaced by B787-9/10
B77E for longer and cargo heavy routes - to be replaced by A359
B77W for long haul trunk routes - to be replaced by A359/J
Also, can't decide if A388 would make sense or not, sometimes I like to include it sometimes I don't.
Narrow body
ATR-72 for domestic and smaller Eastern European routes
Embraer E-jet for thinner, longer intra European rutes
B737 family for trunk European routes, and thinner central Asia, middle east, north Africa routes
Widebody
A332 for long thin routes, South America, secondary Chinese and US cities - to be replaced by B787-8/9
A333 for China, India, trunk central Asia, and East Coast US - to be replaced by B787-9/10
B77E for longer and cargo heavy routes - to be replaced by A359
B77W for long haul trunk routes - to be replaced by A359/J
Also, can't decide if A388 would make sense or not, sometimes I like to include it sometimes I don't.
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- crazyplane1234
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Re: Your Perfect fleet for an overseas airline?
- 40x A320
35x A321
20x B789
20x A359
10x B778
15x B779
Re: Your Perfect fleet for an overseas airline?
~200 737-800 and -900ER for flights to North America, Central America, the Caribbean, and some of South America.
~30 757-200 for small TATL markets and Hawaii.
~60 787-9 for Europe, South America, smaller Asia markets and lower/medium demand ULH routes.
~10 777-200LR for larger ULH routes
~40 777-300ER for flights to larger markets in South America, Asia and Europe.
~20 747-8i for "trunk" routes
~30 757-200 for small TATL markets and Hawaii.
~60 787-9 for Europe, South America, smaller Asia markets and lower/medium demand ULH routes.
~10 777-200LR for larger ULH routes
~40 777-300ER for flights to larger markets in South America, Asia and Europe.
~20 747-8i for "trunk" routes
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- unityofsaints
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Re: Your Perfect fleet for an overseas airline?
In general I would say a mixed fleet of A333 CEO and A350-900/1000 would be hard to beat in terms of economics and flexibility. Something similar could be said of a 789 and 77W fleet, this would trade low aquisition costs for better long-term economics and range on the low end (333 vs. 789).
Re: Your Perfect fleet for an overseas airline?
8x B779
15x A35J
15x A359
20x B789
10x B788
40x A321LR
50x A320neo
40x CS300
15x A35J
15x A359
20x B789
10x B788
40x A321LR
50x A320neo
40x CS300
Re: Your Perfect fleet for an overseas airline?
Asking what is the right fleet without specifying any sort of route network is kind of like asking whether you'd rather be outside or inside without specifying the weather.
For a TATL or intra-Asia ULCC airline: 333.
For a European-based legacy-style airline: 789 + 78X + 35K.
For a U.S.-based legacy-style airline: 788 + 789 + 78X + 35K.
For an East Asian legacy-style airline: 339 + 359 + 779.
For a ME3: 78X + 779 + 388.
For a TATL or intra-Asia ULCC airline: 333.
For a European-based legacy-style airline: 789 + 78X + 35K.
For a U.S.-based legacy-style airline: 788 + 789 + 78X + 35K.
For an East Asian legacy-style airline: 339 + 359 + 779.
For a ME3: 78X + 779 + 388.
Re: Your Perfect fleet for an overseas airline?
Easy an all Airbus fleet.
A380 - Ultra Long
A350 - Long
A330 - Mid
A380 - Ultra Long
A350 - Long
A330 - Mid
Re: Your Perfect fleet for an overseas airline?
A321LR for LATAM
A338 for TATL
A359ULH for TPAC
A338 for TATL
A359ULH for TPAC
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- oldannyboy
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Re: Your Perfect fleet for an overseas airline?
cageyjames wrote:My ideal fleet would be DC-10s and MD-11s but that is why I'm not running an airline.
Oh I am with you on this one mate.. DC-10s..yes!
Actually, hang on a minute... who needs widebodies?..
I want a whole fleet of VC-10s. With no televisions or silly gimmicks. Just give me 34'' of seat pitch, some good recline, and decent food. Oh, and those 4 amazing rollers pushing behind my back...
Re: Your Perfect fleet for an overseas airline?
50 777-9
75 787-9
75 A321 LR
75 787-9
75 A321 LR
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- precure787
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I think I'd go with the 747-8 and/or the 787 (both GEnx powered)
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I know it is an over complicated fleet and wouldn't be competitive, but this would be my dream airline:
Narrow Body Fleet:
717-200
CS100
CS300
MD-88
MD-90
A320ceo(CFM)/neo(PW)
A321ceo(CFM)/neo(PW)
757-200(PW)
757-300(PW)
Wide Body Fleet:
767-300ER(PW)
A330-300(RR)
A350-900
A350-1000
777-200LR
777-300ER
747-400ER(PW)
Narrow Body Fleet:
717-200
CS100
CS300
MD-88
MD-90
A320ceo(CFM)/neo(PW)
A321ceo(CFM)/neo(PW)
757-200(PW)
757-300(PW)
Wide Body Fleet:
767-300ER(PW)
A330-300(RR)
A350-900
A350-1000
777-200LR
777-300ER
747-400ER(PW)
Re: Your Perfect fleet for an overseas airline?
I'll go with the Sinorussian widebody when it's around.
In the meanwhile I'll stick to the IL96 ofcourse
In the meanwhile I'll stick to the IL96 ofcourse
Re: Your Perfect fleet for an overseas airline?
747400sp wrote:
I was wondering, what would be your ideal fleet, if you had an airline that does a lot of overseas routes?
777-300ER (replaced with 777-9)
787-9
That's all.
Re: Your Perfect fleet for an overseas airline?
1 Gulfstream V and 48 Concordes.
Re: Your Perfect fleet for an overseas airline?
Widebody Fleet:
10 747-8i's
15 787-10s
10 787-9s
Narrowbody Fleet:
25 737-900ERs
25 737-900s
25 737-700s
30 717s
10 747-8i's
15 787-10s
10 787-9s
Narrowbody Fleet:
25 737-900ERs
25 737-900s
25 737-700s
30 717s
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Widebody
20 747-8i 8/60/24/300 LH High Premium
25 777-300ER (Replacement 777-9) 8/40/24/320 LH High Density
60 787-9 4/28/0/210 and 4/28/21/184 Main Long Haul
10 777-200LR 12/60/32/90 ULH
Narrowbody
100 737-800 8/ 150
70 737-700 8/120
Being replaced by 200 737-8Max 12/150
20 747-8i 8/60/24/300 LH High Premium
25 777-300ER (Replacement 777-9) 8/40/24/320 LH High Density
60 787-9 4/28/0/210 and 4/28/21/184 Main Long Haul
10 777-200LR 12/60/32/90 ULH
Narrowbody
100 737-800 8/ 150
70 737-700 8/120
Being replaced by 200 737-8Max 12/150
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- AirPacific747
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Airbus narrowbodies - A320neo
Boeing Widebodies - 747-8, 77W & 787-9s
Boeing Widebodies - 747-8, 77W & 787-9s
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A bucket load of SAAB 340's
CPH - GLA - FAE- KEF - UAK - YYG - YUL - JFK
It's gonna be a frigging cash cow!
CPH - GLA - FAE- KEF - UAK - YYG - YUL - JFK
It's gonna be a frigging cash cow!
Re: Your Perfect fleet for an overseas airline?
If my airline is based in Asia (let's say MNL/HKG/SIN):
30x A319 for domestic and shorter Asian flights
30x A320s for short haul Asian flights
30x A321 for medium haul Asian flights
20x A330-300 for long haul Asian flights and some medium haul Asian flights where demand is good i.e Middle Eastern flights
25x A350-900 exclusively for Australia/NZ flights but may also be deployed to shorter routes
25x B747-8i for Europe and TPAC
35x B77W for TPAC and Europe
If my airline was based in N.America (let's say YVR/LAX/JFK/SFO):
100x A320 for Domestic
90x A321 for Intercontinental (East Coast to West Coast v.v, Mexico, Canada)
50x A330-300 for Europe, Canada, larger East Coast to West Coast demand, Hawaii, S.America
30x A350-900 for S.America, Europe
35x B77W for TPAC and lounger Europe flights
30x 787-9 for Europe
20x B747-8i for TPAC and Europe
And finally, if my airline was based in Europe (let's say LHR/CDG)
80x A320 for most short haul EU flights
60x A321 for some short haul EU flights and most longer EU flights
35x A330-300 for some TATL and most African and Middle Eastern flights and some Latin American flights
35x A359-900 for most West Coast N.America flights, some East Coast N.American flights
35x B787-9 for most East Coast N.American flights and Latin American flights
10x 747-8i for some larger demand West Coast N.American flights, some Asian flights i.e China, Japan, S.Korea
25x B77W for most Asian flights and some West Coast N.American flights to compliment other flights operated by other aircraft types, Australia/NZ flights via HKG,
Features:
-Mood lighting on all aircraft
-Personal IFE on all long aircraft
One can only dream
30x A319 for domestic and shorter Asian flights
30x A320s for short haul Asian flights
30x A321 for medium haul Asian flights
20x A330-300 for long haul Asian flights and some medium haul Asian flights where demand is good i.e Middle Eastern flights
25x A350-900 exclusively for Australia/NZ flights but may also be deployed to shorter routes
25x B747-8i for Europe and TPAC
35x B77W for TPAC and Europe
If my airline was based in N.America (let's say YVR/LAX/JFK/SFO):
100x A320 for Domestic
90x A321 for Intercontinental (East Coast to West Coast v.v, Mexico, Canada)
50x A330-300 for Europe, Canada, larger East Coast to West Coast demand, Hawaii, S.America
30x A350-900 for S.America, Europe
35x B77W for TPAC and lounger Europe flights
30x 787-9 for Europe
20x B747-8i for TPAC and Europe
And finally, if my airline was based in Europe (let's say LHR/CDG)
80x A320 for most short haul EU flights
60x A321 for some short haul EU flights and most longer EU flights
35x A330-300 for some TATL and most African and Middle Eastern flights and some Latin American flights
35x A359-900 for most West Coast N.America flights, some East Coast N.American flights
35x B787-9 for most East Coast N.American flights and Latin American flights
10x 747-8i for some larger demand West Coast N.American flights, some Asian flights i.e China, Japan, S.Korea
25x B77W for most Asian flights and some West Coast N.American flights to compliment other flights operated by other aircraft types, Australia/NZ flights via HKG,
Features:
-Mood lighting on all aircraft
-Personal IFE on all long aircraft
One can only dream
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- UnitedIsBae
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Re: Your Perfect fleet for an overseas airline?
Passenger:
250 CRJ-1000
150 737-900ER
45 757-300
35 767-400ER
35 777-8x
25 777-9x
35 787-9
25 787-10
25 747-8i
Cargo:
250 737-800BCF
150 MD-11
85 757-200PF
75 767-300F
35 777F
25 747-400F
40 747-8F
10 An-225
Hubs: SFO,SEA,HNL,LAX,IAH,JFK,EWR,CVG,MIA,
As you can see no airbus for me
250 CRJ-1000
150 737-900ER
45 757-300
35 767-400ER
35 777-8x
25 777-9x
35 787-9
25 787-10
25 747-8i
Cargo:
250 737-800BCF
150 MD-11
85 757-200PF
75 767-300F
35 777F
25 747-400F
40 747-8F
10 An-225
Hubs: SFO,SEA,HNL,LAX,IAH,JFK,EWR,CVG,MIA,
As you can see no airbus for me
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- Luxair747SP
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Q400
320NEO
321NEO
321NEO LR
788
748
All to be integrated into Luxair and make LUX an intercontinental hub
320NEO
321NEO
321NEO LR
788
748
All to be integrated into Luxair and make LUX an intercontinental hub
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