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A388 wrote:Acey559 wrote:A388 wrote:Does Amazon have any plans to fly outside of the U.S. with these 767's? If so, which countries/cities do they plan to serve themselves?
A388
Not sure about that yet. Though with that being said, I just heard that the Chinese investors that won the bid to buy Hahn Airport defaulted on the loan, so I'm guessing it will go or is back on the market. Not sure though. That doesn't necessarily mean Amazon is still interested in purchasing, if available, but the door could be open again if they decide they want a European hub operation.
Thanks Acey559. What about flights to the Americas. I can imagine Brazil, Argentina, Chile, Peru, Colombia are big markets for Amazon with good potential(?)
A388
wjcandee wrote:A distribution center is what Amazon calls a warehouse. They already have several in Europe.
wjcandee wrote:A388, correct. Initially rumoured 20 with a third carrier, but yet to be seen. ATSG's 20 will be in service by end of 2017, if not sooner. They are already at 10 and are averaging 1 per month thru end of 2016.
A388 wrote:Thanks Acey559. What about flights to the Americas. I can imagine Brazil, Argentina, Chile, Peru, Colombia are big markets for Amazon with good potential(?)
wjcandee wrote:So the next new flight started today, connecting two existing nodes, SCK and ABE. ABX3114 is running SCK-ABE this morning. Interesting to see if it just turns back to SCK, or goes somewhere new, like CLT or RFD, two rumoured upcoming nodes. Edit: It went on to CLT, a new station, as ABX3113, and back to SCK as ABX 3115.
Here's the network in a nutshell, now. Amazing how it is expanding. (ABX has done a lot of subservice for ATI the last few days, basically covering the DFW-ILN-DFW and PHX-ILN-PHX trips due to maintenance issues on a couple of ATI 762s.)
GTi3401 SEA-ILN
GTI3402 ILN-SEA
ABX3101 ILN-ONT
ABD3102 ONT-ILN
ABX3103 ILN-TPA
ABX3104 TPA-ILN
ABX3107 ABE-ONT
ABX3108 DFW-ABE
ABX3109 TPA-PHX
ABX3110 ONT-DFW
ABX 3111 ABE-TPA
ABX 3112 PHX-ABE
ABX 3113 ABE-CLT
ABX 3114 SCK-ABE
ABX 3115 CLT-SCK
ATN 3001 ABE-ILN
ATN 3002 ILN-ABE
ATN 3003 ILN-SCK
ATN 3004 SCK-ILN
ATN 3005 ILN-PHX
ATN 3006 PHX-ILN
ATN 3007 ILN-DFW
ATN 3008 DFW-ILN
ATN 3009 ILN-SCK
ATN 3010 SCK-DFW
ATN 3012 DFW-ILN
wjcandee wrote:Love the map!
luv2cattlecall wrote:Any idea what types of items they're carrying on these flights? Are they slow moving items with a high value:weight ratio?
wjcandee wrote:A distribution center is what Amazon calls a warehouse. They already have several in Europe.
A388 wrote:Acey559, I heard Amazon has already chosen an airport in Germany to use for a European distribution center. Is this correct? I'm getting the impression they are just getting started in the U.S. now and focusing on the U.S. market and nothing else. Is Amazon also looking at distribution centers outside the U.S. now?
wjcandee wrote:A distribution center is what Amazon calls a warehouse. They already have several in Europe.
lightsaber wrote:'Distribution centers' package the goods for shipment into a dedicated region. Only then are the goods individually boxed to go to your home or business. Until then, Amazon is bulk shipping goods. Judging from the route map (hat tip to DLASFlyer), this looks to be distribution center to distribution center shipments, not warehouse to warehouse.
A340Spotter wrote:Was out at Wilmington this morning to do some photography and noted a second Prime Air colored B767 parked directly behind the main security entrance. Was this N374CM by chance or another one coming online? Really nice to see the airport buzzing again!
FX1816 wrote:Anyone have any info on future routes. Here at ONT we are hearing that a 3rd ABX flight should start in the next week or so but I do not know the routing. We at the tower are also being told that there are to be at least 5 ABX flights out of ONT by years end.
Thanks
KarelXWB wrote:Someone could lose his shirt if things go south:
http://theloadstar.co.uk/atlas-executiv ... th-amazon/It has been revealed that Amazon has the right to cancel the aircraft CMI deal agreed with Atlas Air at just 180 days’ notice, in terms that will surely be questioned by investors at next week’s earnings call.
Under the terms of the agreement, Amazon appears to be holding all the cards. Amazon has the right to dry-lease 20 B767Fs from Atlas subsidiary Titan and receive aircraft operation (CMI) services from Atlas, but the internet giant may cancel the CMI deal with just 180 days’ notice merely for the sake of “convenience”.
A good read article!
AirportRival wrote:Sorry if I missed it up thread but who does the ground handling for Amazon at ILN?
Acey559 wrote:Any time. I can't say for certain which plane they'll use, but it would be pretty cool if the Prime aircraft is through with conformity and ready to go by then.
As for extra flights out of ONT, we haven't heard but I know ABE is poised for more flights, so that could be a possibility. Beyond that I'm not sure, we usually only find out a couple weeks before service starts.
bravoindia wrote:We in ABE ATC hope it continues to explode at Allentown so any updates there are appreciated
wjcandee wrote:Acey559 wrote:Per our weekly newsletter update from our president:
Upcoming 767 assignment changes in the works include: 255/767-200 will be transitioning to ATI, from CAM on or about August 15; 364/767-300 will be transitioning to ABX to support a -300 upgrade requirement in the DHL network, for which 740/767-200 will be transitioning from ABX to ATI at a later date; 739/767-200 will be transitioning from CAM to ATI in September; 374/767-300 should be out of conversion soon and an ATI airplane to support Amazon; 380/767-300 will be next out of conversion and will be operated in the Amazon network beginning in November. Ultimately ATI will be adding 739, 374 and 380 to the Amazon network by November. 255 will operate in support of 757/767 heavy maintenance and other customer requirements.
Three more aircraft to ATI must make the pilot pool happy!
I'm also happy to see that the initial Atlas flights are rumoured to be flying through ILN. I don't think there is any permanent decision yet as to whether ILN will be the focus city, but the more flights that keep rolling through there, the better for the region.
Amazon is a tough taskmaster, though. If it isn't working, they will change it. Amazon could have been the savior of the USPS, given all the last-mile stuff that was rolling through the USPS from the Amazon in-house network. However, at least on Long Island, the USPS screwed it up, primarily on Sunday, when a bunch of packages (and most of my Sunday stuff) was mishandled by the Hicksville regional center. They would constantly claim "business closed" when I wasn't a business, and then just deliver it on Monday. They just didn't feel like delivering it on Sunday (that regional center is a cesspool), causing an avalanche of complaints. I thought it was ominous when the reply to one of mine was that they were "going to be using the USPS less". In the last two weeks, almost all of my Amazon in-house deliveries to Long Island, including Sunday, have been handled by an Amazon driver, who apparently also delivers Amazon Fresh. I feel bad because the during-the-week stuff through the USPS, happily handled by our wonderful mailman, was delivered flawlessly. So the USPS is losing the business that could have saved them because they f-ed it up, and Amazon has no patience for screw-ups.
That is the difference between a government entity and a private business. The managers at USPS do not have the same incentive to do things right that the managers at a private business do. The USPS is hopelessly obsolete and should be scrapped, but it is in the Constitution so it is hard to do. People working for the government just have a different mindset, and efficiency and good service just are not in their playbook.
ssteve wrote:No "business" would visit every mailbox in the nation every day except Sunday, do free mail forwarding, allow cut rates for charities, process passport applications, enable cheap Christmas cards... etc.
The best mindset for the USPS is, given that they are going to be forced to be the national post, how can they leverage that subsidized, mandated infrastructure to make money in peripheral ventures? It's not a given that they will bleed money in every venture.