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BOEING777EK wrote:The next 767-300ER for amazon prime is ln681 this is an Ex. TAM 767 which has winglets registered as N1381A conversion should begin soon
wjcandee wrote:Im not sure yet if it will be cvtd in QPG or TLV as the data for this aircraft came quite recentlyBOEING777EK wrote:The next 767-300ER for amazon prime is ln681 this is an Ex. TAM 767 which has winglets registered as N1381A conversion should begin soon
Does anyone know if this aircraft is still in MEX? I haven't seen it move yet. Given that it has winglets, is it going to QPG to become a BCF (because there is an STC on that line for winglet aircraft)? Or will it go to TLV in the expectation that IAI/Bedek will have their STC soon for 767-300 aircraft with winglets?
BOEING777EK wrote:wjcandee wrote:Im not sure yet if it will be cvtd in QPG or TLV as the data for this aircraft came quite recentlyBOEING777EK wrote:The next 767-300ER for amazon prime is ln681 this is an Ex. TAM 767 which has winglets registered as N1381A conversion should begin soon
Does anyone know if this aircraft is still in MEX? I haven't seen it move yet. Given that it has winglets, is it going to QPG to become a BCF (because there is an STC on that line for winglet aircraft)? Or will it go to TLV in the expectation that IAI/Bedek will have their STC soon for 767-300 aircraft with winglets?
wjcandee wrote:Well, we need to define a little better what we mean by "international".
Amazon of course receives shipments from manufacturers from around the world to its distribution centers, at the vendors' expense. Smart vendors will schedule production and shipping so that they can use the most economical methods, which are container ship for overseas and rail for North America. Floating stuff is more efficient than anything. Some container stuff will make its way onto truck chassis, or onto rail flatcars to be delivered to the distribution center by truck. All this stuff is usually planned out way in advance. If you as a vendor have to ship something by air, something has gone wrong: either demand has far-outstripped supply or you are late with production, or there has been some catastrophe somewhere in the supply chain, and it's worth putting a few pallets of units on a plane to get them to the distribution center to fill the gap until the ones you are putting on a boat are going to arrive.
Prime Air has nothing to do with any of this.
The second kind of International might be shipping things to customers in countries other than the US from distribution centers in the US. Possible, I suppose, but expensive. If Amazon is going to serve other countries, it is probably more efficient to have a specific set of items sold in that country sitting in a distribution center there, shipped there by manufacturers, then to distribute. No customs snags on individual packages, no huge air expense, etc., etc. But if you would do this, it would for now be more efficient to ship it by an existing carrier, particularly if you didn't have an distribution mechanism at the far end.
The third kind of International might be facilitating the delivery of items sold by foreign sellers looking to sell into the US. There are a few Amazon Marketplace sellers who keep their inventory in China, sell on ebay and Amazon and alibaba, and then ship individual packages to the US. It sucks hard for a lot of purchasers of those items, as China Post meanders its way to the US. Yuck.
That's a market that Amazon has looked at addressing in a variety of ways. First, they can facilitate brokering the shipment of a group of items to one of their DCs in the US to hold and distribute from there for the seller for a fee. Second, they can take groups of packages to the US in bulk, prelabeled, and run them through their distribution network. I know they were looking at the first kind, at least, which doesn't really implicate Amazon Prime Air any more than any other package in a US distribution center would. The second might be interesting, but it's still expensive. (The second way is how a lot of iPhones are distributed to the US on launch. They are packaged, address-labeled, and built into pallets in China, which are then shipped to the US. Significantly-advance pre-orders can even come by boat. Interestingly, DHL did a spectacular job on the rollout of the original iPhone to AT&T stores exactly this way. Later iterations were even delivered direct to the addressee by this method. )
BTVB6Flyer wrote:Some weird TPA movement tonight ABX6501 showing going to BNA soon and ABX6500 going back to CVG soon. Today saw 3x CVG-TPA.
https://es.flightaware.com/live/flight/ ... /KTPA/KBNA
https://es.flightaware.com/live/flight/ ... /KTPA/KCVG
BOEING777EK wrote:Does anyone know when the next conversion 767 for prime air will roll out?
Whiplash6 wrote:
BTVB6Flyer wrote:Good stuff wjcandee!
Another one that could use you to solve the puzzle.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/GTI ... /KTPA/KMIA
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/GTI9530 (MIA-TPA)
A little switch-a-roo?
Whiplash6 wrote:
Acey559 wrote:N353AZ is going to be delayed out of paint for a few days, but is still scheduled to enter service on time later this month.
wjcandee wrote:Whiplash6 wrote:
Smart article. Thanks for posting! This article recognizes the freight-brokerage service that has been talked about for some time, regarding exactly what we talked about above.
wjcandee wrote:Acey559 wrote:N353AZ is going to be delayed out of paint for a few days, but is still scheduled to enter service on time later this month.
Thanks, Acey! The real question for me is what the schedule is on N337AZ, given that I haven't seen anything yet about IAI receiving its STC for winglet 767-300s, and whether any rework will be necessary when they do.
The same issue affects 395CM for ATI and 370AA for CAM, as well as 1373A for GTI.
Acey559 wrote:Wonder whats causing the delay for paintwjcandee wrote:Acey559 wrote:N353AZ is going to be delayed out of paint for a few days, but is still scheduled to enter service on time later this month.
BOEING777EK wrote:The Boeing 757-200(PCF) would be a good plane for Amazon Primes short-haul flights which the PCF can carry the most cargo from all 757 freighter modifications as Prime Airs looking to carry the most cargo with their planes would be a good choice for fleet expansion and fast delivery for short-haul flights.
BOEING777EK wrote:Acey559 wrote:Wonder whats causing the delay for paintwjcandee wrote:
Fixinthe757 wrote:Interesting as they have no winglets but are in the AA liveryN374AA and N7375A are here at BFM for heavy c check before conversion to Prime Air
Fixinthe757 wrote:N374AA and N7375A are here at BFM for heavy c check before conversion to Prime Air
frmrCapCadet wrote:What are the economics of a 747-400 - cost, cost of conversion to freight, maintenance, operations? Seems like there will be so many of them available.
glfblz59 wrote:Well, IF U Google Amazon airplanes, you get this...
https://www.geekwire.com/2016/amazon-pr ... e-seafair/
What I say 3 mos. ago - online.
They are white & blue 763's. All rehabbed and flown by ABX &
DHL crews.
MajMattMason wrote:glfblz59 wrote:Well, IF U Google Amazon airplanes, you get this...
https://www.geekwire.com/2016/amazon-pr ... e-seafair/
What I say 3 mos. ago - online.
They are white & blue 763's. All rehabbed and flown by ABX &
DHL crews.
Correction:
The 763's painted in Amazon livery are being flown by ATI (6 now, 8 total by the end of Aug). And Atlas has 3 (2 more I think are ready I think to be put into service).
BOEING777EK wrote:Looks like N1321A has rolled out of conversion this is an Ex. Nordwind Boeing 767-300ER LN587 22 years old was registered as VQ-BPT No Winglets
wjcandee wrote:Fixinthe757 wrote:N374AA and N7375A are here at BFM for heavy c check before conversion to Prime Air
These are apparently for CAM, not sure they're yet for Prime, but let's hope. CAM seems very pleased with these old AA 767-300s.
Fixinthe757 wrote:wjcandee wrote:Fixinthe757 wrote:N374AA and N7375A are here at BFM for heavy c check before conversion to Prime Air
These are apparently for CAM, not sure they're yet for Prime, but let's hope. CAM seems very pleased with these old AA 767-300s.
According to the management on the planes theyre both going to Prime Air
wjcandee wrote:Sorry since i don't live in Singapore near QPG airport i don't have any photos we have to wait until it enters serviceBOEING777EK wrote:Looks like N1321A has rolled out of conversion this is an Ex. Nordwind Boeing 767-300ER LN587 22 years old was registered as VQ-BPT No Winglets
Wow. I put it towards the top of my recent conversion list because I knew QPG was getting them out quickly, but that's impressive. Four months, start to finish at QPG. These are usually painted over there at QPG. Since paint usually takes about 2 weeks, I'm assuming that it isn't also painted at this point.
Got any photos?
IAI says it can do a 767-300 conversion in about 3 months, but I think that assumes a clean aircraft with no c-check necessary, and a Bedek shop that isn't as busy as IAI/Bedek is now. They are generally running 6 months on the most-recent conversions. (A couple as soon as five, one particularly-rough aircraft took 7.) So for QPG to do this one (and another one previously) in 4 months is impressive.
yochai wrote:Conversions are coming in and coming out pretty quick right now in the prime air fleet we had VQ-BPT also come out of conversion at QPG as N1321AAtlas Air N1181A ex N505CS and Mega Maldives 8Q-MEH is out of freighter conversion at TLV and is scheduled for a pre delivery test flight tomorrow
BOEING777EK wrote:Does anyone know the difference between the 767-300 BCF and BDSF i only know that the BCF is Boeing launched conversion whereas the BDSF is none Boeing is there any difference between the cargo the BCF and BDSF carry?
travaz wrote:Its weird I can find N1321A on Flightaware but nowhere to be found on Flightradar24