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Re: Amazon Fleet Growing

Sun Apr 30, 2017 8:06 pm

And, thanks to CVGComair and others for pointing this out, the first Amazon revenue flight to CVG is in the air!! :champagne: :champagne: :bouncy:

It's ATN3032, the afternoon-arriving flight from ONT that operates outside of the usual morning cross-dock exchange. It was ONT-ILN until yesterday; today, it is ONT-CVG.

N739AX went out to ONT early this morning from ILN as the regular early-morning ILN-ONT, and now is returning from ONT, not to ILN but rather to CVG.

The next phase of Amazon Prime Air has officially-begun!

(And I should just say that I'm sad for the LGSTX folks that lost their jobs at ILN today. I'm sad that it seems that the nitwits at the ILN airport authority blew their one chance in probably the next 20 years for ILN to really rise from the ashes. They -- and the state government of Ohio -- should have just asked where Amazon wanted to be kissed, and puckered up. But apparently they didn't. Oh, gee. I guess Amazon was serious about this thing. See you in Kentucky!)
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet Growing

Sun Apr 30, 2017 8:56 pm

N739AX just turned for a short-final onto runway 18L.

Update @ 5:01, N739AX has landed at CVG!
Next: CVG-IAH, Delta Connection CRJ-700 (GoJet Airlines)
A319/320/332, B712/722/732/733/738/739/752/753/763/764/772/773/788, CRJ-100/2/7/9, ERJ-145/75, MD-88/90, S340
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet Growing

Sun Apr 30, 2017 9:46 pm

Another Amazon Aircraft, N1217A, is enroute from KRME to KCVG, arrives at 6:51 pm. The flight number is GTI9505.
Next: CVG-IAH, Delta Connection CRJ-700 (GoJet Airlines)
A319/320/332, B712/722/732/733/738/739/752/753/763/764/772/773/788, CRJ-100/2/7/9, ERJ-145/75, MD-88/90, S340
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet Growing

Sun Apr 30, 2017 11:45 pm

wjcandee wrote:
And, thanks to CVGComair and others for pointing this out, the first Amazon revenue flight to CVG is in the air!! :champagne: :champagne: :bouncy:

It's ATN3032, the afternoon-arriving flight from ONT that operates outside of the usual morning cross-dock exchange. It was ONT-ILN until yesterday; today, it is ONT-CVG.

N739AX went out to ONT early this morning from ILN as the regular early-morning ILN-ONT, and now is returning from ONT, not to ILN but rather to CVG.

The next phase of Amazon Prime Air has officially-begun!

(And I should just say that I'm sad for the LGSTX folks that lost their jobs at ILN today. I'm sad that it seems that the nitwits at the ILN airport authority blew their one chance in probably the next 20 years for ILN to really rise from the ashes. They -- and the state government of Ohio -- should have just asked where Amazon wanted to be kissed, and puckered up. But apparently they didn't. Oh, gee. I guess Amazon was serious about this thing. See you in Kentucky!)


Hopefully they weren't met by a picket line.... ;)
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet Growing

Mon May 01, 2017 12:10 am

Acey559 wrote:
wjcandee wrote:
And, thanks to CVGComair and others for pointing this out, the first Amazon revenue flight to CVG is in the air!! :champagne: :champagne: :bouncy:

It's ATN3032, the afternoon-arriving flight from ONT that operates outside of the usual morning cross-dock exchange. It was ONT-ILN until yesterday; today, it is ONT-CVG.

N739AX went out to ONT early this morning from ILN as the regular early-morning ILN-ONT, and now is returning from ONT, not to ILN but rather to CVG.

The next phase of Amazon Prime Air has officially-begun!

(And I should just say that I'm sad for the LGSTX folks that lost their jobs at ILN today. I'm sad that it seems that the nitwits at the ILN airport authority blew their one chance in probably the next 20 years for ILN to really rise from the ashes. They -- and the state government of Ohio -- should have just asked where Amazon wanted to be kissed, and puckered up. But apparently they didn't. Oh, gee. I guess Amazon was serious about this thing. See you in Kentucky!)


Hopefully they weren't met by a picket line.... ;)

You must be ATI
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet Growing

Mon May 01, 2017 1:41 am

cvgComair wrote:
N739AX just turned for a short-final onto runway 18L.

Update @ 5:01, N739AX has landed at CVG!


Hehe. I was the loadmaster for that particular flight this morning. All operations changing tonight and into tomorrow morning. Both with flight schedules and airlines operating for Amazon. Shall be a interesting May.
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet Growing

Mon May 01, 2017 2:55 am

WA: are you suggesting that there will be more Airlines than ATI, Atlas and ABX? Or that ABX will have fewer flights? Do tell.
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet Growing

Mon May 01, 2017 5:09 am

As a gift to you all (and myself), I created a spreadsheet of the current operations that you can find here! Its not that bad for a first draft, but any help with pointing out mistakes, making it look cleaner and easier to read, or additional information that can be added would be very helpful! Thanks to wjcandee and everyone else for having all the information in this forum that made it possible to create it! Also, here is the map of the 'predicted' operations for tomorrow.

Regarding ABX Air and getting all of their previous flights gobbled up by ATI and Atlas, are we going to see more new routes with ABX tomorrow? It seems that 5 ABX routes were given to ATI+Atlas, 4 to ATI and 1 to Atlas, and 3/5 routes are up gauges to 763s. Possibly 1 more from Atlas? Excited to see what happens!
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Re: Amazon Fleet Growing

Mon May 01, 2017 5:22 am

I think that's an excellent spreadsheet, both contents and format.

I think there will be a lot of surprises as the aircraft start flying in a few hours. I do expect that ABX will have 4-5 routes in the new setup; I just don't know where. One obvious possibility given the movements Sunday morning is that ABX will handle CLT-CVG-CLT and possibly something out of BWI, although ATI put a 767-300 in BWI on Sunday morning. No reason there couldn't be two routes from BWI, one on ATI and one on ABX with the smaller plane. It looks like all 3 SCK-originating routes are going to be on ATI, but that's just speculation from Sunday's aircraft movements.

Initial reports were that ATI was going to replace GTI on SEA-ABE, but we won't know for sure until the day begins. But based on Sunday morning's movements, I wouldn't be surprised to see 761CX fly from SEA to ABE this morning.

I have GTI's 4 aircraft handling: SEA-CVG-SEA, TPA-CVG-TPA, ONT-SKF-CVG-ONT and ??Spare at CVG??.

I think we will see more than one flight to/from BWI, and I think we will see some new multi-stop/sort-bypassing routes.

So I think you will have some things to amend later this morning, but that's part of the fun of all this. Again, I think the format is excellent and will be a very useful reference that's easy to understand quickly.
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet Growing

Mon May 01, 2017 6:21 am

Okay, so here are some interesting movements at this hour. We have 3 ABX and some ATI.

Interesting ABX flights. Unclear what the routes are going to be:

ABX3941 RFD-ABE on 768AX.
ABX3976 BWI-TPA on 795AX.
ABX4934 ABE-DFW on 774AX.

ATI flights, pretty much what I expected, as follows:

ATN3765 SCK-PHX. I believe that this will end up being SCK-PHX-ABE-SCK. The aircraft is 331AZ.
ATN3741 SCK-ONT. I believe that this will end up being SCK-ONT-CVG-SCK. The aircraft is 255CM.
ATN3703 ONT-CLT. I believe this will end up being ONT-CLT-ABE-ONT. The aircraft is 763CX.
ATN4753 SEA-ABE. This will obviously be SEA-ABE-SEA, which was expected. The aircraft is 761CX.

Other thoughts:

714AX relocated to SKF overnight from PHX, and so will likely be doing SKF-CVG-SKF this morning.
762CX is in DFW, and I expect it to do DFW-CVG-DFW.
311AZ is in ABE, and I am guessing that it will do ABE-CVG-ABE, reactivating that route.
347AZ is in ONT, and I expect it to do ONT-CVG-ONT.
359AZ is in PHX, and I expect it to do PHX-CVG-PHX.
313AZ is in SCK, and I expect it to do SCK-CVG-SCK.
307AZ is in BWI, and I expect it to do BWI-CVG-BWI.
739AX is at CVG, having run the first revenue flight to CVG, from ONT, and may well return to ONT later this morning as the second ONT-CVG-ONT, but that is speculation.

Just for your reference, the "AZ" aircraft are 767-300s. The AX, CM and CX aircraft are 767-200s. (There will be some later CMs that are 767-300s, but not for now.)

So all this gives us some increasing clarity. All six ATI 767-300s appear to have routes, as do 3 of the 4 GTI aircraft, and the "extra" GTI is at CVG, which means it could be designated as a spare. With one ATI 767-200 in the shop (as expected, one extra 767-200 for maint/spare), this accounts for all 7 of the ATI 767-200s. So the really interesting thing now is the ABX routes.

I have my Jiffy Pop on the stove.
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet Growing

Mon May 01, 2017 6:54 am

744AX is in ONT and 749AX is in CLT, so we may (or may not) see additional ABX routes originate there, or from CVG.

My money is on 749AX doing CLT-CVG-CLT. But we will see. If so, that is at least 4 routes for ABX.
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet Growing

Mon May 01, 2017 1:14 pm

TPA has seen today so far:

2x TPA-CVG
GTI3022 and (GTI 3023 for CVG-TPA)
ABX3412

BWI-TPA-BWI
ABX3976
ABX3975

I'm assuming the ABE and PHX routes continue as well.
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Re: Amazon Fleet Growing

Mon May 01, 2017 1:15 pm

So I'm gonna give you today's relevant ABX flights so far by aircraft, and we can figure out the routes together...maybe.

768AX:
RFD-ABE 3941
ABE-RFD 3942
RFD-CVG 3437
Interesting to see what's next.

795AX:
BWI-TPA 3976
TPA-BWI 3975
Interesting hub-bypassing flight. Wonder if there's anything more.

774AX:
ABE-DFW 4934
DFW-BWI 4901
Interesting to see what's next.

744AX:
ONT-CVG 4425
So probably CVG-ONT later.

749AX:
CLT-CVG 4494
So probably CVG-CLT later.

794AX:
TPA-CVG 3412
This is interesting given that GTI is also doing TPA-CVG.

Then, as expected on GTI so far:

TPA-CVG GTI3022 on 1049A

ONT-SKF GTI3501 on 1997A
SKF-CVG GTI3003 on 1997A

SEA-CVG GTI3021 on 1093A

1217A in CVG (Spare?)
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet Growing

Mon May 01, 2017 1:35 pm

BTVB6Flyer wrote:
TPA has seen today so far:

2x TPA-CVG
GTI3022 and (GTI 3023 for CVG-TPA)
ABX3412

BWI-TPA-BWI
ABX3976
ABX3975

I'm assuming the ABE and PHX routes continue as well.


Thanks for these! I wouldn't be surprised to see the BWI route as a kind of replacement of the ABE one, given how crowded the ABE ramp apparently is. Looking at the network so far, I don't see where the PHX fits in, but we should see as the day progresses. I'm wondering if PHX wouldn't be served through the significant volume being sent to and transferred at CVG.
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet Growing

Mon May 01, 2017 1:45 pm

ATI flights so far.

Pretty much accurate in Post 1060, with these changes:

The route is turning out to be SCK-PHX-BWI-SCK with BWI in there instead of the expected ABE. Interesting.
347AZ is still in ONT
739AX is still in CVG.
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet Growing

Mon May 01, 2017 2:40 pm

774ax is now on the way to SEA from BWI. Interesting...
So, so far [ABE-]DFW-BWI-SEA
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet Growing

Mon May 01, 2017 4:01 pm

N347AZ is in KONT and will remain as the west coast hot spare. (763)

There will be no more ABX in Ontario. N744AX flew out this morning as ABX4425 to CVG.

We will only have Atlas as GTI3501 outbound (forgot inbound flight number)

All other arrivals will be ATI aircraft. Last I heard we are awaiting arrival of N337AZ (winglets) and N353AZ both former American birds.
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet Growing

Mon May 01, 2017 4:41 pm

wjcandee wrote:
WA: are you suggesting that there will be more Airlines than ATI, Atlas and ABX? Or that ABX will have fewer flights? Do tell.


There will be zero ABX flights in/out of KONT. All flights/mechanics will be ATI and Atlas.

As of today here is the KONT flight schedule for Amazon:
ATN3703 - ONT-CLT (767-200)
ATN3705 - CLT-ABE
ANT3706 - ABE-ONT


ATN3225 - ONT-CVG (767-300)
ATN3226 - CVG-ONT

ATN3741 - SCK-ONT (767-300)
ATN3243 - ONT-CVG
ATN3254 - CVG-SCK

ATN 767-300 West Coast Hot Spare (Currently N347AZ)

Yea, I know todays SCK-ONT-CVG was on a -200 so we shall see when the next -300 gets into rotation.

GTI3501 is to SKF, 3003 to CVG and 3004 to ONT

The schedule is mostly ATI, some ABX, and only 3 Atlas. One Atlas hot spare but I don't know what city.
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet Growing

Mon May 01, 2017 5:48 pm

WA -- thanks for the clarifications. I was confused by the travels of 744AX this morning, and you explained it. Thank you.

I am confused about what 739AX is doing. It flew the first revenue flight into CVG, on the morning flight from ONT, but it doesn't seem from your post that there will continue to be an off-hours back-and-forth to ONT like there used to be.

I had also thought that 3741 et seq would be on a 767-300, so I appreciate the clarification there as well.

Looks like it will be an interesting May.
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet Growing

Mon May 01, 2017 7:09 pm

Looks like no more ABE-TPA-PHX, but with the second daily CVG-TPA, I wonder if one of those aircrafts will pick up with PHX leg?
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet Growing

Mon May 01, 2017 7:45 pm

So here's a summary of ABX today, by aircraft, updated:

768AX:
RFD-ABE 3941
ABE-RFD 3942
RFD-CVG 3437
CVG-RFD 3436

795AX:
BWI-TPA 3976
TPA-BWI 3975

774AX:
ABE-DFW 4934
DFW-BWI 4901
BWI-SEA 3954
Looks like there's one more leg to do here...

744AX:
ONT-CVG 4425
Looks like this was closing out ABX in ONT for now, so won't be a continuing route.

749AX:
CLT-CVG 4494
CVG-BWI 3425
Looks like there's another leg to do here as well...

794AX:
TPA-CVG 3412
CVG-TPA 3413


So, looks like ABX ends up with a 5-aircraft schedule, with at least 6 routes, but we will have to watch what happens later today.
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet Growing

Mon May 01, 2017 8:29 pm

Updating ATI routes (all with ATN flight numbers):

SCK-PHX-BWI-SCK. 3765/3767/3768 B763
SCK-ONT-CVG-SCK. 3741/3243/3254 B762 (for now?)
ONT-CLT-ABE-ONT. 3703/3705/3706 B762
SEA-ABE-SEA 4753/?? B762
SKF-CVG-SKF 3213/3214 B762
DFW-CVG-DFW 3201/3202 B762
ABE-CVG-ABE 3282/3281 B763
PHX-CVG-PHX. 3237/3238 B763
SCK-CVG-SCK. 3257/3256 B763
BWI-CVG-BWI. 4224/4225 (covered? by ABX3425 today?) B763/762?
CVG-ONT-??? 3226/??? B763 [repositioning?]

These question marks should clear up as we move forward.

Edit: It looks like, although it certainly isn't clear, that ABX covered the CVG-BWI that ATN was to fly, and ATN will be covering the CVG-CLT that ABX was to fly. Not entirely clear, but that makes some sense out of the CLT and BWI flights this afternoon from CVG.

So, it looks like ABX has: RFD-ABE-RFD, RFD-CVG-RFD, BWI-TPA-BWI, CLT-CVG-CLT, and TPA-CVG-TPA. And maybe more, depending on what the other movements are about, if anything.
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet Growing

Mon May 01, 2017 9:43 pm

wjcandee wrote:
Updating ATI routes (all with ATN flight numbers):

SCK-PHX-BWI-SCK. 3765/3767/3768 B763
SCK-ONT-CVG-SCK. 3741/3243/3254 B762 (for now?)
ONT-CLT-ABE-ONT. 3703/3705/3706 B762
SEA-ABE-SEA 4753/?? B762
SKF-CVG-SKF 3213/3214 B762
DFW-CVG-DFW 3201/3202 B762
ABE-CVG-ABE 3282/3281 B763
PHX-CVG-PHX. 3237/3238 B763
SCK-CVG-SCK. 3257/3256 B763
BWI-CVG-BWI. 4224/4225 (covered? by ABX3425 today?) B763/762?
CVG-ONT-??? 3226/??? B763 [repositioning?]

These question marks should clear up as we move forward.

Edit: It looks like, although it certainly isn't clear, that ABX covered the CVG-BWI that ATN was to fly, and ATN will be covering the CVG-CLT that ABX was to fly. Not entirely clear, but that makes some sense out of the CLT and BWI flights this afternoon from CVG.

So, it looks like ABX has: RFD-ABE-RFD, RFD-CVG-RFD, BWI-TPA-BWI, CLT-CVG-CLT, and TPA-CVG-TPA. And maybe more, depending on what the other movements are about, if anything.




To help a little more:
SCK-ONT-CVG-SCK was a one off on a -200. It is on a -300 for tomorrows flights.

SEA-ABE-SEA 4753/?? B762 - I do not show this on any of my current flight schedules. I have a SEA-BWI-SEA flight as 3953-3945 on ABX. a -200
CVG-ONT-??? 3226/??? B763 [repositioning?] - Doesn't exist period. unless they are moving a plane around as a off repositioning.

For TUE 5/02 I have
N763AX operating 3703 to CLT
N1997A as 3501 to SKF
N307AZ as 3225 to CVG
N311AZ as 3243 to CVG
N347AZ as KONT hot spare

Anything else anyone want to know for the May AMZ flight schedule?
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet Growing

Mon May 01, 2017 10:11 pm

WAGermanPilot wrote:
wjcandee wrote:

To help a little more:
SCK-ONT-CVG-SCK was a one off on a -200. It is on a -300 for tomorrows flights.

SEA-ABE-SEA 4753/?? B762 - I do not show this on any of my current flight schedules. I have a SEA-BWI-SEA flight as 3953-3945 on ABX. a -200
CVG-ONT-??? 3226/??? B763 [repositioning?] - Doesn't exist period. unless they are moving a plane around as a off repositioning.

For TUE 5/02 I have
N763AX operating 3703 to CLT
N1997A as 3501 to SKF
N307AZ as 3225 to CVG
N311AZ as 3243 to CVG
N347AZ as KONT hot spare

Anything else anyone want to know for the May AMZ flight schedule?


THANK YOU! Unfortunately, I tried to line up the movements I saw against what I understood/expected some of these routes to be. Most likely, the anticipated SEA-ABE-SEA on ATI became SEA-BWI-SEA on ABX.

So my 3226 puts 307AZ out to you so you can run 3225 in the morning, so it looks to me like you have ONT-CVG-ONT as 3225 out in the morning and 3226 back in the evening.

4753 appears to be a reposition of 761cx to ABE for some reason. It didn't go anywhere after that. So that clears those two up. Thanks again.
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet Growing

Mon May 01, 2017 10:24 pm

With the help of WAGermanPilot, here's the corrected ATI schedule so far:

SCK-PHX-BWI-SCK. 3765/3767/3768 B763
SCK-ONT-CVG-SCK. 3741/3243/3254 B763
ONT-CLT-ABE-ONT. 3703/3705/3706 B762
SKF-CVG-SKF 3213/3214 B762
DFW-CVG-DFW 3201/3202 B762
ABE-CVG-ABE 3282/3281 B762
PHX-CVG-PHX. 3237/3238 B763
SCK-CVG-SCK. 3257/3256 B763
BWI-CVG-BWI. 4224/4225 B762
ONT-CVG-ONT 3225/3226 B763

And I'm going to leave the ABX alone for now until it shakes out more (i.e. which carrier is flying CLT-CVG-CLT and which one is flying BWI-CVG-BWI). Apparently, the routes I mentioned in post 1072 are essentially-correct, plus an SEA-BWI-SEA (or BWI-SEA-BWI, depending upon the timing).
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet Growing

Mon May 01, 2017 10:47 pm

wjcandee wrote:
With the help of WAGermanPilot, here's the corrected ATI schedule so far:

SCK-PHX-BWI-SCK. 3765/3767/3768 B763
SCK-ONT-CVG-SCK. 3741/3243/3254 B763
ONT-CLT-ABE-ONT. 3703/3705/3706 B762
SKF-CVG-SKF 3213/3214 B762
DFW-CVG-DFW 3201/3202 B762
ABE-CVG-ABE 3282/3281 B762
PHX-CVG-PHX. 3237/3238 B763
SCK-CVG-SCK. 3257/3256 B763
BWI-CVG-BWI. 4224/4225
ONT-CVG-ONT 3225/3226 B763

And I'm going to leave the ABX alone for now until it shakes out more (i.e. which carrier is flying CLT-CVG-CLT and which one is flying BWI-CVG-BWI). Apparently, the routes I mentioned in post 1072 are essentially-correct, plus an SEA-BWI-SEA (or BWI-SEA-BWI, depending upon the timing).


To help out even further.

CLT-CVG-CLT = ATN3294/3293 (762)
BWI-CVG-BWI = ABX3242/3245

I am showing:
ABX3412/3413 - TPA-CVG-TPA
ABX3424/3425 - BWI-CVG-BWI
ABX3941/3942 - RFD-ABE-RFD
ABX3437/3436 - RFD-CVG-RFD
ABX3953/3954 - SEA-BWI-SWA
ABX3976/3975 - BWI-TPA-BWI
All on the 767-200

For Atlas I am showing
GTI3021/3032 - SEA-CVG-SEA
GTI3501/3003/3004 - ONT-SKF-CVG-ONT
GTI3022/3024 - TPA-CVG-SEA
All on the -300

As of my last conversation with a mechanic at ATN, they are waiting arrival of N337AZ (winglets), and N353AZ.
There are more either in Roswell or ILN waiting to be sent over to TLV for conversion. Last I heard there was like 8 or 10 at TLV almost done, being worked on, and waiting to enter conversion. I don't know anything in the realm of Atlas and their airplanes. Mostly since I am a ATI loadmaster and there I stay.
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet Growing

Mon May 01, 2017 11:25 pm

N1229a gets paint on 05/03.
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet Growing

Mon May 01, 2017 11:57 pm

I put together a summary of all the routes listed here and that I have seen. Hopefully this helps to visualize, though I am sure it will all change tomorrow :-). It's currently editable: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing
Next: CVG-IAH, Delta Connection CRJ-700 (GoJet Airlines)
A319/320/332, B712/722/732/733/738/739/752/753/763/764/772/773/788, CRJ-100/2/7/9, ERJ-145/75, MD-88/90, S340
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet Growing

Tue May 02, 2017 12:37 am

Here are the updated route maps as of 5/1, it is much more central hub oriented than before:
ABX Air Route Map: http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=c:orange,+ ... I-TPA,+BWI
Atlas Air Route Map: http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=c:yellow,+ ... KF-CVG-ONT
ATI Route Map: http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=c:green,+S ... LT-ABE-ONT
Overall Route Map: http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=c:orange,+ ... ,+CLT,+RFD
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Re: Amazon Fleet Growing

Tue May 02, 2017 2:04 am

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Here are the updated route maps as of 5/1, it is much more central hub oriented than before:
ABX Air Route Map: http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=c:orange,+ ... I-TPA,+BWI
Atlas Air Route Map: http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=c:yellow,+ ... KF-CVG-ONT
ATI Route Map: http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=c:green,+S ... LT-ABE-ONT
Overall Route Map: http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=c:orange,+ ... ,+CLT,+RFD



Awesome.

However, your showing a ABX to ONT. All ONT operations are by ATN or GTI. There is ZERO abx. The only longhaul is the SEA-BWI run. There are 6 sets for ABX, 11 for ATN and 3 on Atlas as of my latest Amazon CVG schedule.
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet Growing

Tue May 02, 2017 2:14 am

WAGermanPilot wrote:
However, your showing a ABX to ONT. All ONT operations are by ATN or GTI. There is ZERO abx. The only longhaul is the SEA-BWI run. There are 6 sets for ABX, 11 for ATN and 3 on Atlas as of my latest Amazon CVG schedule.


I got that from: https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n744ax, it must just be a repositioning for some other route out of RFD tomorrow.
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Re: Amazon Fleet Growing

Tue May 02, 2017 2:32 am

Updated. Love the new hub look! Only 2 ATI routes dont touch CVG (SCK-PHX-BWI-SCK, ONT-CLT-ABE-ONT) and 2 for ABX (BWI-SEA/TPA-BWI). Still seems there's some new routes that are going to be added IMO, bit of slack currently. Curious about the ATI BWI-CVG-ONT today, reposition?
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Re: Amazon Fleet Growing

Tue May 02, 2017 3:04 am

Really hope ABE can get back to where it was. Had a great role and operation unfortunately it seems like nothing is here again. They just approved an additional spot to the cargo ramp giving it capacity for 6 (2 for FDX) it will be completed by November ( should help for peak )
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Re: Amazon Fleet Growing

Tue May 02, 2017 3:22 am

Thanks to everyone for providing such detailed reporting! It's fascinating.

I'm quite excited that BWI seems to have a larger role in the operation as it's pretty close to me. I'm hoping to find the time one weekend to head up there and see an Amazon plane come in. Have we kept track of which birds have the Prime Air paint scheme? Ideally I'd love to see one of those. Last I kept track, only two were painted - I'm not sure if Amazon painted any of the more recent conversions.
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet Growing

Tue May 02, 2017 3:39 am

nikeson13 wrote:
Updated. Love the new hub look! Only 2 ATI routes dont touch CVG (SCK-PHX-BWI-SCK, ONT-CLT-ABE-ONT) and 2 for ABX (BWI-SEA/TPA-BWI). Still seems there's some new routes that are going to be added IMO, bit of slack currently. Curious about the ATI BWI-CVG-ONT today, reposition?


Yes. I mentioned that earlier. It took a little work to figure out, with WA's help.
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet Growing

Tue May 02, 2017 3:41 am

bravoindia wrote:
Really hope ABE can get back to where it was. Had a great role and operation unfortunately it seems like nothing is here again. They just approved an additional spot to the cargo ramp giving it capacity for 6 (2 for FDX) it will be completed by November ( should help for peak )


It's a loud-and-clear message to the LVIA, as should have been what Amazon did at ILN. Give us the capacity we need or we will go where it exists.
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet Growing

Tue May 02, 2017 3:41 am

FlyBTV wrote:
Thanks to everyone for providing such detailed reporting! It's fascinating.

I'm quite excited that BWI seems to have a larger role in the operation as it's pretty close to me. I'm hoping to find the time one weekend to head up there and see an Amazon plane come in. Have we kept track of which birds have the Prime Air paint scheme? Ideally I'd love to see one of those. Last I kept track, only two were painted - I'm not sure if Amazon painted any of the more recent conversions.

All three flying for Atlas are painted (1049A, 1093A, and 1997A) as well as all of ATI's 763s (307AZ, 311AZ, 313AZ, 331AZ, 359AZ).
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Re: Amazon Fleet Growing

Tue May 02, 2017 4:32 am

There's a fourth Atlas, 1217A, which is flying but presently seems to be functioning as a spare. It, of course, is painted.

There's a sixth ATI 767-300, 349AZ, which is sitting as a spare at ONT. It, too, is painted.
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet Growing

Tue May 02, 2017 4:34 am

Scratch post
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Re: Amazon Fleet Growing

Tue May 02, 2017 7:29 am

Another route? ABE-DFW-?

Last night, ABX ran a 4934 from ABE-DFW. Tonight, at the same time as last night, ATN ran a 3734 ABE-DFW.

Not sure where it's going after that.

As I expected, there may be a little more to this than was apparent on the first day... In a couple of days, I will try to go through everybody's incredibly-helpful, kind, and amazingly-time-consuming submissions and see if I can't put something fairly-definitive together which resolves some of the typos and questions I am seeing in my previous work and a few details in other submissions. There will always be some differences, I think, based upon whether one looks at the aircraft routes or the traffic lanes. For example, I think of two of Atlas's traffic lanes as SEA-CVG-SEA and TPA-CVG-TPA, whereas, as has been pointed out since Whiplash shared the Atlas routes weeks ago, the actual aircraft routes to service those lanes are SEA-CVG-TPA and TPA-CVG-SEA. One crew flies one aircraft northwest through the hub and it comes back the following day, and one crew flies one aircraft southeast through the hub and it goes back the next day. The net effect is to have a morning departure to the hub and afternoon return from the hub for each of TPA and SEA, but for crew-scheduling purposes, each crew essentially-gets a one-stop transcon.

And stuff like that.

Again, you guys are amazing!! I know how much time and effort it takes to follow all of this and then to try to compile it into a list, and I am incredibly grateful. Thanks for taking the time to compile this stuff with such heart and creativity.
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet Growing

Tue May 02, 2017 8:08 am

I took a minute and made a couple of minor changes to CVGComair's shared spreadsheet regarding the first day, which is an excellent piece of work. Cool collaborative item; thanks, CVG!

I then copied that sheet and took a couple more minutes and added a little data and reworked the tails to make them accurate for our expected second day, 4/2. I didn't want to mess with CVG's historical record of the first day. There will doubtless be something to add later today. The link for the editable 4/2 spreadsheet is https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing It probably has my google thingy on it, but it's really CVGComair's work, with just a couple of updates from me added.

One good thing about this sheet is that while it is organized by tail number, it shows the traffic lanes and routes well. The problem is that most likely the aircraft going through the hub, particularly the 767-200s, will not return to the city that they came from. So, while I can have 714AX shown as DFW-CVG-DFW, because 714 is in DFW and going to go to CVG, most likely 714 won't return to DFW, although some 767-200 will. But, acknowledging that defect, it's a pretty-clear list, and I appreciate CVGComair's hard work on it.
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet Growing

Tue May 02, 2017 8:42 am

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Another route? ABE-DFW-?

Last night, ABX ran a 4934 from ABE-DFW. Tonight, at the same time as last night, ATN ran a 3734 ABE-DFW.

Not sure where it's going after that.



Okay, I figured this out. It's the route that uses the sixth ATI 767-200 (the remaining one is spare/maint). And that will be 3734/3735 ABE-DFW-ABE. This morning, it's on 761CX, which explains why that aircraft was moved to ABE Sunday but didn't go anywhere. I added this route to the CVGComair 4/2 spreadsheet.

Later today, I would love to look through and collaborate on Nikeson's current version of his spreadsheet, which is excellent.

I count at least 5 routes that bypass the hub, and they are very interesting. This is really turning into a cool network, and as Amazon adds more and more Atlas tails and at least two more ATI 767-300s (more than that are possible, and at least one of the ATI AZ tails will be freed up from serving as the spare by a CM 767-300 tail, so really there is room for 3 more ATI routes just on the current contract), it's going to be something amazing to look at, certainly by Peak this year and definitely by the end of 2018.
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet Growing

Tue May 02, 2017 9:13 am

bravoindia wrote:
Really hope ABE can get back to where it was. Had a great role and operation unfortunately it seems like nothing is here again. They just approved an additional spot to the cargo ramp giving it capacity for 6 (2 for FDX) it will be completed by November ( should help for peak )


As of today, you will have 4 daily flights. ABE is still a lot more convenient in some ways than BWI for the Northeast/NYC/Avenel Sort/etc, so an EWAG is that if LVIAA plays ball and creates a convenient area to work, the airport will continue to get business.

BWI has a dedicated cargo complex with room for 17 aircraft (but is already being used by UPS/DHL/FedEx and others). The 4 Amazon Prime Air flights now using BWI are apparently going to the Midfield Cargo Complex and apparently are being serviced by Pinnacle Logistics (a Dallas, TX company that does ground handling and ULD building, breakdown and handling for Amazon at RFD). So it's a bigger spot with some room to grow, but it's already in use so it's not obviously an easier place to do business. I think it's really going to be a question about how, as a practical matter, Amazon is treated and supported by their contacts at each airport, and the airport's willingness to accommodate their needs.
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet Growing

Tue May 02, 2017 9:18 am

Whiplash6 wrote:
N1229a gets paint on 05/03.


Yep. It did a test flight at TLV yesterday for a couple of hours. It should be off to HHN and then, presumably, to RME for paint consistent with your expectations. Premier has been taking about 2 weeks to paint the aircraft and otherwise get them ready for revenue service. So it could be in service for Amazon by late on the week of the 15th.

On the ATSG side, 371AA (to be 353AZ) should be out of conversion by the end of May, maybe a tad sooner. So figure optimistically mid-June for painting and indoc. And 337AZ (was 386AA) is about two weeks later than that. 370AA should be done by early July. 395CM (was 378AN) should be out in early August. 386AA (to be 396CM) should be out by the end of August. 382AN should be done by the beginning of October.

So that's the two Amazon Prime aircraft we know are coming, plus at least 4 more that CAM has in TLV.
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet Growing

Tue May 02, 2017 2:54 pm

I'll post our KONT outbound tail numbers when I get it.

I do have the MAY schedule for ATN/ABX/GTI, so if there are any changes will get that posted. Hoping more flights out of ONT.
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet Growing

Tue May 02, 2017 11:04 pm

CVG: I like your changes to the spreadsheet.

One note, that I didn't want to change on the sheet, is that as of today, ABX3437 and ABX3436 are flown with a different aircraft than flies ABX3941 and ABX3942. That aircraft, 744AX, was actually in RFD yesterday, but for some reason 768AX was used to fly both.routes. With their timing, of course, it can be done. 744 took 3437 to CVG today, but then was put on another flight (to Mexico), and 3436 was flown with 775AX. ABX seems often to swap aircraft on and off of Amazon, and I think we're seeing that here. In short, it's up to you whether to make a separate line for the RFD-CVG-RFD flights, but it looks like ABX is going to fly it with a different aircraft from RFD-ABE-RFD most of the time.
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet Growing

Wed May 03, 2017 12:54 am

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CVG: I like your changes to the spreadsheet.

One note, that I didn't want to change on the sheet, is that as of today, ABX3437 and ABX3436 are flown with a different aircraft than flies ABX3941 and ABX3942. That aircraft, 744AX, was actually in RFD yesterday, but for some reason 768AX was used to fly both.routes. With their timing, of course, it can be done. 744 took 3437 to CVG today, but then was put on another flight (to Mexico), and 3436 was flown with 775AX. ABX seems often to swap aircraft on and off of Amazon, and I think we're seeing that here. In short, it's up to you whether to make a separate line for the RFD-CVG-RFD flights, but it looks like ABX is going to fly it with a different aircraft from RFD-ABE-RFD most of the time.


I actually originally put them in as separate, but saw them together on someone else's posts. I will go ahead and separate them!
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Re: Amazon Fleet Growing

Wed May 03, 2017 12:57 am

So I decided to track the whole fleet in a new tab of my spreadsheet (which took longer than I expected) and found some interesting things:
-313AZ and 359AZ are possibly switching between SCK-CVG-SCK and PHX-CVG-PHX daily. 313AZ did SCK-CVG-PHX today, and 359 did PHX-CVG-SCK.
-774AX didnt do anything today after flying SEA-BWI-SEA yesterday. No explanation for that, but 795AX stepped up after going BWI-TPA-BWI by going on to SEA.
-1217A flew CVG-TPA after 1049A got into CVG from SEA. 1217A took off a hour late.

And as you pointed out wjcandee, ABX doesnt seem to be shy to shuffle their aircraft around everywhere. While the whole op will probably need a week to settle in (and for us to further understand it), its starting to take shape.
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Re: Amazon Fleet Growing

Wed May 03, 2017 2:22 am

Atlas has bought an additional 767 for freighter conversion and to be part of the Amazon Prime fleet. LN 609. Was owned by AerCap and most recently operated by Mega Global Maldives (8Q-MEE). Currently sits @MZJ where it was stored post retirement on Feb 21st. Likely to fly soon to one of @TLV or @QPG. Will become N1399A.
 
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Re: Amazon Fleet Growing

Wed May 03, 2017 3:04 am

Great info, everyone! Thanks HK for keeping us up to date on the Atlas acquisitions!

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