KarelXWB wrote:

StTim wrote:

That also relates to the relevant firing rate at the time they were loaded from what I see.

It also looks like the firing rate has increased again but difficult to tell.

Pre-assembly is clearly running at 6 per month now. Spirit AeroSystems delivered 19 A350 ship sets in Q4 2016.


http://www.spiritaero.com/media-highlig ... se/136915/

KarelXWB wrote:

MSN 82 TX #1 engine run today.


First engine run msn82 F-WZNL 2/2/2017 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr

StTim wrote:

FWLXV the second -1000 (cabin equipped) performed its RTO today. Should fly soon.

ACCS300 wrote:

Love how spacious it looks!! Reminds me of when 777's were 3-3-3. A350 will be my plane of choice for long-haul in Y, that and the A380. Glad we finally have a growing alternative to the sardine-class 777s!

BobMUC wrote:

Busy day in TLS:

BOAC1966 wrote:

Has anyone logged the number of hours and flights made so far by the -1000 in the certification programme?

hkcanadaexpat wrote:

BobMUC wrote:

Busy day in TLS:

i believe there may have also been an RTO for MSN 82 (Air Caraibes #1) this morning.

BobMUC wrote:

BOAC1966 wrote:

Has anyone logged the number of hours and flights made so far by the -1000 in the certification programme?

Try this one:
https://sites.google.com/site/a350xwbpr ... ht-testing

KarelXWB wrote:

hkcanadaexpat wrote:

BobMUC wrote:

Busy day in TLS:

i believe there may have also been an RTO for MSN 82 (Air Caraibes #1) this morning.

MSN 82 completed a RTO this evening.


RTO msn82 F-WZNL 6/2/2017 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr

dtwpilot225 wrote:

Getting closer and closer for to see 115 (delta)! Can't wait to see that widget tail

Airbus’s two main ramp-up efforts had a quiet start to 2017, with only a single A350 and two A320neos being delivered.

The January production figures disclosed by the airframer contrast with those of the previous month, December 2016, when Airbus delivered 15 A350s and 25 A320neos.

art wrote:

From 7th Feb Flightglobal:

Airbus’s two main ramp-up efforts had a quiet start to 2017, with only a single A350 and two A320neos being delivered.

The January production figures disclosed by the airframer contrast with those of the previous month, December 2016, when Airbus delivered 15 A350s and 25 A320neos.

I wonder if the pointless scrabble to get deliveries into the last month of the year rather than the first month of the next year is very disruptive to production. I find this a pretty dumb way of doing things since you're robbing 2017 Peter to pay 2016 Paul, so compromising 2017 figures. Of course if you repeat the stupidity in Dec 2017 you can recover that loss but what useful result is produced by making your operation more expensive in this manner?

art wrote:

I wonder if the pointless scrabble to get deliveries into the last month of the year rather than the first month of the next year is very disruptive to production. I find this a pretty dumb way of doing things since you're robbing 2017 Peter to pay 2016 Paul, so compromising 2017 figures. Of course if you repeat the stupidity in Dec 2017 you can recover that loss but what useful result is produced by making your operation more expensive in this manner?

KarelXWB wrote:

art wrote:

I wonder if the pointless scrabble to get deliveries into the last month of the year rather than the first month of the next year is very disruptive to production. I find this a pretty dumb way of doing things since you're robbing 2017 Peter to pay 2016 Paul, so compromising 2017 figures. Of course if you repeat the stupidity in Dec 2017 you can recover that loss but what useful result is produced by making your operation more expensive in this manner?

December is always the most busiest month and that is probably not going to change anytime soon. So expect another surge in December 2017, just as we had last year, and the year before, and the year before that, etc.

art wrote:

From 7th Feb Flightglobal:

Airbus’s two main ramp-up efforts had a quiet start to 2017, with only a single A350 and two A320neos being delivered.

The January production figures disclosed by the airframer contrast with those of the previous month, December 2016, when Airbus delivered 15 A350s and 25 A320neos.

I wonder if the pointless scrabble to get deliveries into the last month of the year rather than the first month of the next year is very disruptive to production.

art wrote:

KarelXWB wrote:

art wrote:

I wonder if the pointless scrabble to get deliveries into the last month of the year rather than the first month of the next year is very disruptive to production. I find this a pretty dumb way of doing things since you're robbing 2017 Peter to pay 2016 Paul, so compromising 2017 figures. Of course if you repeat the stupidity in Dec 2017 you can recover that loss but what useful result is produced by making your operation more expensive in this manner?

December is always the most busiest month and that is probably not going to change anytime soon. So expect another surge in December 2017, just as we had last year, and the year before, and the year before that, etc.

Yes, I'm aware this happens. I just wonder why the people managing a business like this choose to incur extra costs of 100's of thousands of euros / millions of euros doing this. If aircraft sales were seasonal (like say ice cream where you need to get it to the customer so it can be sold in the summer) I could understand but I know of no reason why customers should find December a much better month to receive delivery than January. Bear in mind, though, that I'm neither an accountant nor in a marketing/sales position so I have not learnt how to, nor feel pressurised to do things in an insane ("It's a good idea to avoidably increase costs") manner.

mjoelnir wrote:

It is very simple, investors think in quarters and years...

art wrote:

From 7th Feb Flightglobal:

Airbus’s two main ramp-up efforts had a quiet start to 2017, with only a single A350 and two A320neos being delivered.

The January production figures disclosed by the airframer contrast with those of the previous month, December 2016, when Airbus delivered 15 A350s and 25 A320neos.

I wonder if the pointless scrabble to get deliveries into the last month of the year rather than the first month of the next year is very disruptive to production. I find this a pretty dumb way of doing things since you're robbing 2017 Peter to pay 2016 Paul, so compromising 2017 figures. Of course if you repeat the stupidity in Dec 2017 you can recover that loss but what useful result is produced by making your operation more expensive in this manner?

MD80MKE wrote:

She's truly a beauty as the dusk falls.

Someone83 wrote:

art wrote:

From 7th Feb Flightglobal:

Airbus’s two main ramp-up efforts had a quiet start to 2017, with only a single A350 and two A320neos being delivered.

The January production figures disclosed by the airframer contrast with those of the previous month, December 2016, when Airbus delivered 15 A350s and 25 A320neos.

I wonder if the pointless scrabble to get deliveries into the last month of the year rather than the first month of the next year is very disruptive to production. I find this a pretty dumb way of doing things since you're robbing 2017 Peter to pay 2016 Paul, so compromising 2017 figures. Of course if you repeat the stupidity in Dec 2017 you can recover that loss but what useful result is produced by making your operation more expensive in this manner?

It also depend on where in the production chain you look at, adjusted for the 1-2 holiday, the flow through the FAL is stable and does not follow the rush and droughts as we see in the deliveries.

flee wrote:

Someone83 wrote:

art wrote:

From 7th Feb Flightglobal:


I wonder if the pointless scrabble to get deliveries into the last month of the year rather than the first month of the next year is very disruptive to production. I find this a pretty dumb way of doing things since you're robbing 2017 Peter to pay 2016 Paul, so compromising 2017 figures. Of course if you repeat the stupidity in Dec 2017 you can recover that loss but what useful result is produced by making your operation more expensive in this manner?

It also depend on where in the production chain you look at, adjusted for the 1-2 holiday, the flow through the FAL is stable and does not follow the rush and droughts as we see in the deliveries.

It is important to Airbus because their reporting and financial year ends in December - so it affects the whole company and its share price. But I agree, they must try to work harder all year round so that there is less of a mad rush in December.

Azoresst wrote:

Since December I'm reading that Azul won't take the 3 A350s they have ordered. Yesterday, Brazilian websites dedicated to aviation started to report the same and from what I read HNA group will take those three too*, anybody here have any idea what will happen to them?

*When this started to be reported in Brazil forums, they said that Azul may take the 3 A350s, but will store them until HNA Group takes them.

Azoresst wrote:

Here's a reliable source about the future of Azul fleet until 2020: https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data ... 992df1.htm (page 131). They don't expect to operate the A350 despite the three orders.