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Re: Airbus A350 Production And Delivery Thread - Part 17

Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:33 am

shuck wrote:
Geoff1947 wrote:
shuck wrote:

I have always wondered why Airbus skip MSN's, is there a good reason for doing it?


Cancellations and deferrals.


Yes ... But why not re-allocate the cancelled MSN's


Because it would make no sense to do so ? Airbus assigns MSNs very early in the production process, why create extra work and confusion by shuffling the assignments ? Is this another ‘ why can’t the rest of the world be more like the USA’ plea !!

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Re: Airbus A350 Production And Delivery Thread - Part 17

Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:41 am

shuck wrote:
Yes ... But why not re-allocate the cancelled MSN's


Because the MSN is the ID for an individual made to a specific customer layout.

You open all kinds of "aged information" traps when you morph the layout on a specific MSN.

Much cleaner to shed that MSN and take out a new one.
So you have an easy handle on what information is no longer valid.
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Re: Airbus A350 Production And Delivery Thread - Part 17

Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:10 pm

MSN 168 HX #3 gearing up for its 2nd flight:

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Re: Airbus A350 Production And Delivery Thread - Part 17

Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:20 pm

WIederling wrote:
shuck wrote:
Yes ... But why not re-allocate the cancelled MSN's


Because the MSN is the ID for an individual made to a specific customer layout.

You open all kinds of "aged information" traps when you morph the layout on a specific MSN.

Much cleaner to shed that MSN and take out a new one.
So you have an easy handle on what information is no longer valid.


Thanks for the info.
 
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Re: Airbus A350 Production And Delivery Thread - Part 17

Tue Nov 14, 2017 1:50 pm

MSN 165 MH #2 has rolled out to the flight line.

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Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:12 pm

MSN 60 3U #1 third flight:

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Re: Airbus A350 Production And Delivery Thread - Part 17

Tue Nov 14, 2017 9:50 pm

Concerning that no apparent news on -1000 at Dubai. Looks a tough air show for AB so far. Hope tomorrow yields positive news for AB and the A350 along with A380. That said possibly over emphasise in such shows and announcements ....there are 362 other opportunties in a year!
 
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Re: Airbus A350 Production And Delivery Thread - Part 17

Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:50 pm

I thought I'd put this here. Kinda iconic and tells us how far we've come in the short time with the A350. At SFO it seems all the Asian carriers are switching to the A350k from the 777w. As shown in this picture: Asiana, Cathay Pacific and China Airlines; all next to each other at SFO. Sorry no registrations due to its location and me forgetting.

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Re: Airbus A350 Production And Delivery Thread - Part 17

Wed Nov 15, 2017 12:13 am

Bonafide wrote:
I thought I'd put this here. Kinda iconic and tells us how far we've come in the short time with the A350. At SFO it seems all the Asian carriers are switching to the A350k from the 777w. As shown in this picture: Asiana, Cathay Pacific and China Airlines; all next to each other at SFO. Sorry no registrations due to its location and me forgetting.

Image

Nice observation. In the moring you can also see SQ 32/31 from Singapore. Plus Hong Kong Airlines will start their A350 service to SFO next year.
 
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Re: Airbus A350 Production And Delivery Thread - Part 17

Wed Nov 15, 2017 12:52 am

Probably better to have said "Some Asian carriers", as China Eastern, China Southern and Korean Air, all of which fly the 77W into SFO, don't have the A350 on order! Air China will take delivery of their first A350 next month, so we'll see how soon they fly it to SFO to add to the growing list. Certainly there are as many carriers flying it into SFO as the Dreamliner now!
 
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Wed Nov 15, 2017 1:04 am

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Probably better to have said "Some Asian carriers", as China Eastern, China Southern and Korean Air, all of which fly the 77W into SFO, don't have the A350 on order! Air China will take delivery of their first A350 next month, so we'll see how soon they fly it to SFO to add to the growing list. Certainly there are as many carriers flying it into SFO as the Dreamliner now!


Both China Eastern and China Southern have ordered the A359 (20 planes for each of them, 40 total). Korean Air hasn't...yet ;)
 
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Re: Airbus A350 Production And Delivery Thread - Part 17

Wed Nov 15, 2017 1:16 am

audidudi wrote:
Probably better to have said "Some Asian carriers", as China Eastern, China Southern and Korean Air, all of which fly the 77W into SFO, don't have the A350 on order! Air China will take delivery of their first A350 next month, so we'll see how soon they fly it to SFO to add to the growing list. Certainly there are as many carriers flying it into SFO as the Dreamliner now!


Think he was talking about this,

ImageAIB05FS msn138 caf 8/9/2017 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr
 
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Re: Airbus A350 Production And Delivery Thread - Part 17

Wed Nov 15, 2017 1:19 am

Ab345 wrote:
audidudi wrote:
Probably better to have said "Some Asian carriers", as China Eastern, China Southern and Korean Air, all of which fly the 77W into SFO, don't have the A350 on order! Air China will take delivery of their first A350 next month, so we'll see how soon they fly it to SFO to add to the growing list. Certainly there are as many carriers flying it into SFO as the Dreamliner now!


Both China Eastern and China Southern have ordered the A359 (20 planes for each of them, 40 total). Korean Air hasn't...yet ;)

Sorry, my bad! I didn't look far enough down the spreadsheets!
 
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Re: Airbus A350 Production And Delivery Thread - Part 17

Wed Nov 15, 2017 1:32 am

Ab345 wrote:
audidudi wrote:
Probably better to have said "Some Asian carriers", as China Eastern, China Southern and Korean Air, all of which fly the 77W into SFO, don't have the A350 on order! Air China will take delivery of their first A350 next month, so we'll see how soon they fly it to SFO to add to the growing list. Certainly there are as many carriers flying it into SFO as the Dreamliner now!


Both China Eastern and China Southern have ordered the A359 (20 planes for each of them, 40 total). Korean Air hasn't...yet ;)

Korean has the 789. Like EVA, they seem to have a better relationship with GE and avoid Rolls for some reason.
 
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Re: Airbus A350 Production And Delivery Thread - Part 17

Wed Nov 15, 2017 2:11 am

maortega15 wrote:
Ab345 wrote:
audidudi wrote:
Probably better to have said "Some Asian carriers", as China Eastern, China Southern and Korean Air, all of which fly the 77W into SFO, don't have the A350 on order! Air China will take delivery of their first A350 next month, so we'll see how soon they fly it to SFO to add to the growing list. Certainly there are as many carriers flying it into SFO as the Dreamliner now!


Both China Eastern and China Southern have ordered the A359 (20 planes for each of them, 40 total). Korean Air hasn't...yet ;)

Korean has the 789. Like EVA, they seem to have a better relationship with GE and avoid Rolls for some reason.


I wouldn't rule out the A35K for Korea.
 
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Re: Airbus A350 Production And Delivery Thread - Part 17

Wed Nov 15, 2017 7:07 am

WIederling wrote:
shuck wrote:
Yes ... But why not re-allocate the cancelled MSN's


Because the MSN is the ID for an individual made to a specific customer layout.

You open all kinds of "aged information" traps when you morph the layout on a specific MSN.

Much cleaner to shed that MSN and take out a new one.
So you have an easy handle on what information is no longer valid.

I was checking the A350 production list, only one MSN allocated was "not built", MSN 108 for American Airlines. Can it be concluded that MSN201 is actual MSN200?

What is happening to frame #112?
 
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Wed Nov 15, 2017 7:40 am

juliuswong wrote:
I was checking the A350 production list, only one MSN allocated was "not built", MSN 108 for American Airlines. Can it be concluded that MSN201 is actual MSN200?

108/131/139/152/156/166/171/194 all not built. So the 200th A350 (not A359) to enter the FAL should be MSN 207 or MSN 208 as it also looks like MSN 216 will enter FAL early and out of order. Also wouldn't be surprised if MSN 206 entered late out of order. Regardless, i presume there will be more fanfare when the 200th is delivered rather than when it enters FAL.
 
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Re: Airbus A350 Production And Delivery Thread - Part 17

Wed Nov 15, 2017 7:45 am

hkcanadaexpat wrote:
juliuswong wrote:
I was checking the A350 production list, only one MSN allocated was "not built", MSN 108 for American Airlines. Can it be concluded that MSN201 is actual MSN200?

108/131/139/152/156/166/171/194 all not built. So the 200th A350 (not A359) to enter the FAL should be MSN 207 or MSN 208 as it also looks like MSN 216 will enter FAL early and out of order. Also wouldn't be surprised if MSN 206 entered late out of order. Regardless, i presume there will be more fanfare when the 200th is delivered rather than when it enters FAL.

Thank you for the correction. Number is clearly not my forte. Would the public has access to who actually cancelled or deferred those MSN? Curious to know.
 
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Wed Nov 15, 2017 7:57 am

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Thank you for the correction. Number is clearly not my forte. Would the public has access to who actually cancelled or deferred those MSN? Curious to know.

American, LATAM and United.
 
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Re: Airbus A350 Production And Delivery Thread - Part 17

Wed Nov 15, 2017 8:08 am

juliuswong wrote:
hkcanadaexpat wrote:
juliuswong wrote:
I was checking the A350 production list, only one MSN allocated was "not built", MSN 108 for American Airlines. Can it be concluded that MSN201 is actual MSN200?

108/131/139/152/156/166/171/194 all not built. So the 200th A350 (not A359) to enter the FAL should be MSN 207 or MSN 208 as it also looks like MSN 216 will enter FAL early and out of order. Also wouldn't be surprised if MSN 206 entered late out of order. Regardless, i presume there will be more fanfare when the 200th is delivered rather than when it enters FAL.

Thank you for the correction. Number is clearly not my forte. Would the public has access to who actually cancelled or deferred those MSN? Curious to know.


Try this

http://www.abcdlist.nl/a350f/a350f.html
 
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Re: Airbus A350 Production And Delivery Thread - Part 17

Wed Nov 15, 2017 8:10 am

Geoff1947 wrote:
juliuswong wrote:
hkcanadaexpat wrote:
108/131/139/152/156/166/171/194 all not built. So the 200th A350 (not A359) to enter the FAL should be MSN 207 or MSN 208 as it also looks like MSN 216 will enter FAL early and out of order. Also wouldn't be surprised if MSN 206 entered late out of order. Regardless, i presume there will be more fanfare when the 200th is delivered rather than when it enters FAL.

Thank you for the correction. Number is clearly not my forte. Would the public has access to who actually cancelled or deferred those MSN? Curious to know.


Try this

http://www.abcdlist.nl/a350f/a350f.html

Nice list! Thank you mate!
 
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Re: Airbus A350 Production And Delivery Thread - Part 17

Wed Nov 15, 2017 9:17 am

Bonafide wrote:
I thought I'd put this here. Kinda iconic and tells us how far we've come in the short time with the A350. At SFO it seems all the Asian carriers are switching to the A350k from the 777w. As shown in this picture: Asiana, Cathay Pacific and China Airlines; all next to each other at SFO. Sorry no registrations due to its location and me forgetting.

Image


Three Airbus big twins waiting to cross the pacific.... Even an Airbus supporter like me can see the irony in that :)
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Wed Nov 15, 2017 9:31 am

Any news on what will happen to the leased QR LATAM birds? Will they be stored or are they going back to Brazil?
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Wed Nov 15, 2017 9:47 am

First glimpse of MSN 112 in Capital Airlines livery.

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Re: Airbus A350 Production And Delivery Thread - Part 17

Wed Nov 15, 2017 9:48 am

Another good looking 350....
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Re: Airbus A350 Production And Delivery Thread - Part 17

Thu Nov 16, 2017 1:26 am

Geoff1947 wrote:
juliuswong wrote:
hkcanadaexpat wrote:
108/131/139/152/156/166/171/194 all not built. So the 200th A350 (not A359) to enter the FAL should be MSN 207 or MSN 208 as it also looks like MSN 216 will enter FAL early and out of order. Also wouldn't be surprised if MSN 206 entered late out of order. Regardless, i presume there will be more fanfare when the 200th is delivered rather than when it enters FAL.

Thank you for the correction. Number is clearly not my forte. Would the public has access to who actually cancelled or deferred those MSN? Curious to know.


Try this

http://www.abcdlist.nl/a350f/a350f.html

I also use this one. Both lists clearly show all the MSNs which have been cancelled, and also future unallocated ones. I prefer this one as it's easier to read!

https://sites.google.com/site/a350xwbpr ... ction-list
 
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Re: Airbus A350 Production And Delivery Thread - Part 17

Thu Nov 16, 2017 4:12 am

There is (again) something (not) happening with QR: there are, on Starbuck's list, 12 airplanes waiting on parking stands, including 8 for QR…

I've seen in the 777 thread that Boeing's 77W QR deliveries are running late as well…

viewtopic.php?p=19964457#p19964457 post #382 (sorry, I don't know how to refer to one post in particular, in the new site…)

(edited for correct reference)
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Re: Airbus A350 Production And Delivery Thread - Part 17

Thu Nov 16, 2017 4:26 am

MSN 146 (LH #6) is sporting its final regs and should fly home before the end of the week. EIS 1-Dec MUC-HND.
 
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Thu Nov 16, 2017 8:54 am

MSN 157 (MK #2) transferred to the delivery centre this morning.
 
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Thu Nov 16, 2017 9:19 am

Aircellist wrote:
I don't know how to refer to one post in particular, in the new site…)


like this:
viewtopic.php?p=19964457#p19952049
( take the url from "#nnn" link ( per message bar, full right.)
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Re: Airbus A350 Production And Delivery Thread - Part 17

Thu Nov 16, 2017 9:37 am

Aircellist wrote:
There is (again) something (not) happening with QR: there are, on Starbuck's list, 12 airplanes waiting on parking stands, including 8 for QR…

I've seen in the 777 thread that Boeing's 77W QR deliveries are running late as well…

viewtopic.php?p=19964457#p19964457 post #382 (sorry, I don't know how to refer to one post in particular, in the new site…)

(edited for correct reference)


Last month there were 3 A350-900 QR frames delivered. I do not know if the production lists are always perfectly up to date, for example looking today 7 frames are shown in cabin fit station 20, but there are at least 10 station 20 bays. MSN132, an A350-900 for QR, arrived unexpectedly on the flight line awaiting now the first flight. MSN90 is at the delivery center and MSN78 is working up. I expect more being actual in outfitting than shown on the production lists. But three frames going through the motions shows some activity, even if long behind plan.
 
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Thu Nov 16, 2017 12:35 pm

MSN 159 (MH #1) out on a second test flight #AIB02FG
And MSN 60 (3U #1) out on a fourth test flight #AIB04FK
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Re: Airbus A350 Production And Delivery Thread - Part 17

Thu Nov 16, 2017 12:48 pm

mjoelnir wrote:
MSN132, an A350-900 for QR, arrived unexpectedly on the flight line awaiting now the first flight.


with MSN78 and MSN90 close to delivery, there are MSN 100, 106, 114, 126 between them and MSN132. None is on the flight line. 4 A359 for QR. Could they become the 4 ones canceled. That is of course if there are still canceled at all. With QR no one knows. Just guessing.
 
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And a second test flight for MSN 162 (CI #10) #AIB02HC
 
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And yet another test flight. #2 for MSN 160 (DL #4) #AIB02FZ
 
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mat66 wrote:
mjoelnir wrote:
MSN132, an A350-900 for QR, arrived unexpectedly on the flight line awaiting now the first flight.


with MSN78 and MSN90 close to delivery, there are MSN 100, 106, 114, 126 between them and MSN132. None is on the flight line. 4 A359 for QR. Could they become the 4 ones canceled. That is of course if there are still canceled at all. With QR no one knows. Just guessing.


I think it is rather quite random what MSN for QR gets finished in the moment. First there were 4 frames cancelled, MSN63, 78, 90 and 100. Than this frames were uncancelled :cheerful: and 4 frames with higher MSN numbers cancelled instead.
MSN63 was quite near to be finished when cancelled and is now delivered.
MSN78 was nearly finished and is now on the flight line doing its test flights.
MSN90 was with a cabin fitted, but not painted. Is now at the delivery center waiting for the CAF.
MSN100 was taken out of cabin fit and stored. According to the production list on a parking stand.
MSN106, 114 and 126 are supposed waiting on parking stands.
Any one of the MSN100, 106, 114 or 126 could be in cabin fit or painting. There is not a daily patrol checking for us where they are.

I assume that A350-900 frames for QR that are cancelled, have not yet reached the FAL. There are enough to take from.
 
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Re: Airbus A350 Production And Delivery Thread - Part 17

Thu Nov 16, 2017 2:28 pm

Fabrice Brégier on Bloomberg a few minutes ago

"We expect that the A350-1000 will receive its type certification on Nov-21"
 
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Thu Nov 16, 2017 4:05 pm

Great news on -1000 .....just needs a few more orders!
 
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MSN 157 (MH#2) departing on first CAF #AIB03FQ
MSN 155 (CX#22) departing on second test flight #AIB02NO
MSN 153 (HX#2) departing on its second CAF #AIB06NU
 
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egers wrote:
Fabrice Brégier on Bloomberg a few minutes ago

"We expect that the A350-1000 will receive its type certification on Nov-21"


Nice timing. First flight was on November 24, 2016.
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Re: Airbus A350 Production And Delivery Thread - Part 17

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Ab345 wrote:
audidudi wrote:
Probably better to have said "Some Asian carriers", as China Eastern, China Southern and Korean Air, all of which fly the 77W into SFO, don't have the A350 on order! Air China will take delivery of their first A350 next month, so we'll see how soon they fly it to SFO to add to the growing list. Certainly there are as many carriers flying it into SFO as the Dreamliner now!


Both China Eastern and China Southern have ordered the A359 (20 planes for each of them, 40 total). Korean Air hasn't...yet ;)


In 2018 the wider community will see/realize the A350 will to a large extend take over the routes flown by 777-200ER's and 777-300ER's . Questions will be asked and it will become clear the787-9 is a great aircraft, but has a small payload-range (cargo) compared to the 777-200ER's up for replacement. And Asia isn't a scale down market, contrary.

Looking back, over the last 20 yrs the 777-200ER (and 300ER later) /A340s have been a game changer, flying heavy loads from booming Asian markets, connecting many new dots. The 787-9, -10 do not have the payload-range (787-8 wing). The 777-8/-9 comes late and they are relatively expensive / heavy (OEW).

Maybe Boeing doesn't fully realize / admit yet, but they need a bigger wing / more power on the 787 for the Asian market.

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If they don't, A350 will dominate 300-370 seats to/from Asia for the next decade.
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MSN 90 (QR #19) departing on its first CAF #AIB04NT
 
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Re: Airbus A350 Production And Delivery Thread - Part 17

Fri Nov 17, 2017 1:50 pm

keesje wrote:
Ab345 wrote:
audidudi wrote:
Probably better to have said "Some Asian carriers", as China Eastern, China Southern and Korean Air, all of which fly the 77W into SFO, don't have the A350 on order! Air China will take delivery of their first A350 next month, so we'll see how soon they fly it to SFO to add to the growing list. Certainly there are as many carriers flying it into SFO as the Dreamliner now!


Both China Eastern and China Southern have ordered the A359 (20 planes for each of them, 40 total). Korean Air hasn't...yet ;)


In 2018 the wider community will see/realize the A350 will to a large extend take over the routes flown by 777-200ER's and 777-300ER's . Questions will be asked and it will become clear the787-9 is a great aircraft, but has a small payload-range (cargo) compared to the 777-200ER's up for replacement. And Asia isn't a scale down market, contrary.

Looking back, over the last 20 yrs the 777-200ER (and 300ER later) /A340s have been a game changer, flying heavy loads from booming Asian markets, connecting many new dots. The 787-9, -10 do not have the payload-range (787-8 wing). The 777-8/-9 comes late and they are relatively expensive / heavy (OEW).

Maybe Boeing doesn't fully realize / admit yet, but they need a bigger wing / more power on the 787 for the Asian market.

[img]https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-NEBX6KdQLos/V4wv-

EG7K_I/AAAAAAAAzTI/GK5GDbgx4Q017zsopIgtraA_6yIUVfsSgCLcB/s640/Boeing%2BAirbus%2BWidebody%2Bfamily%2Bkeesje_zpsh0ffp31i.jpg[/img]

If they don't, A350 will dominate 300-370 seats to/from Asia for the next decade.


Many airlines fly the 787s to and from Asia and have no issues... (AA, UA, KAL, ANA, JAL, etc.)

Not denying that the A350 is a phenomenal aircraft, but the 787 is also capable in the Asian market.

OT: When does the first AA A350 get built? How far have they deferred them?
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Re: Airbus A350 Production And Delivery Thread - Part 17

Fri Nov 17, 2017 2:02 pm

^^ not a bad question. When will the first AA A350 be built?
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^^ not a bad question. When will the first AA A350 be built?

Following latest deferral, delivery scheduled stands at 2x 2020 followed by 5x per year thereafter.
But honestly, that is far from set in stone.
 
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2nd A350 MK completing CAF this morning :

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Fri Nov 17, 2017 4:06 pm

keesje wrote:
In 2018 the wider community will see/realize the A350 will to a large extend take over the routes flown by 777-200ER's and 777-300ER's . Questions will be asked and it will become clear the 787-9 is a great aircraft, but has a small payload-range (cargo) compared to the 777-200ER's up for replacement. And Asia isn't a scale down market, contrary.


There is a 6000kg difference in maximum structural payload between a 777-200ER and a 787-9. The 787-9 also offers four more LD3 positions than a 777-200ER. And at a 787-9's payload, a 777-200ER flies less than 500nm farther.

Not exactly a crippling difference for the 787-9. Especially when you consider the 77E likely never goes out at MSP and how much less fuel the 787-9 burns plus the lower fees due to an almost 50,000kg lower MTOW.
 
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Re: Airbus A350 Production And Delivery Thread - Part 17

Fri Nov 17, 2017 5:19 pm

egers wrote:
Fabrice Brégier on Bloomberg a few minutes ago

"We expect that the A350-1000 will receive its type certification on Nov-21"


Good news!
Should see MSN 88 gearing up for first flight soon then.
 
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Re: Airbus A350 Production And Delivery Thread - Part 17

Fri Nov 17, 2017 7:19 pm

keesje wrote:
Maybe Boeing doesn't fully realize / admit yet, but they need a bigger wing / more power on the 787 for the Asian market.

If they don't, A350 will dominate 300-370 seats to/from Asia for the next decade.


Not sure how concerned Boeing is going to be . . .
Pumping out 14 787's per month, with 777X just around the corner doesn't seem to be a bad position to be in.
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Re: Airbus A350 Production And Delivery Thread - Part 17

Fri Nov 17, 2017 9:15 pm

When will Iberia get their first A350? On wikipedia it says 2018 on Iberia`s page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iberia_(airline) and 2019 on the french page of the list of Airbus A350 XWB orders and deliveries https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_des ... s_A350_XWB. What now? 2018 or 2019? Id like to know because I would like to fly the wonderful A340-600 again in late June 2018 to Sao Paulo. I know it can also be the A330 but at least I want to be sure that its not going to be the A350. Does someone has more information about Iberia´s A350 delivery? :worried:

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