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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Tue Feb 07, 2017 10:17 pm

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Here's a reliable source about the future of Azul fleet until 2020: https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data ... 992df1.htm (page 131). They don't expect to operate the A350 despite the three orders.


Nice find.

Well that settles it.

Interesting that Airbus painted the winglets in Azul livery. Must have been a last minute cancellation, similar like SriLankan Airlines.

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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Tue Feb 07, 2017 10:36 pm

Last minute = expensive!
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Tue Feb 07, 2017 11:41 pm

Winglets are painted well before assembly starts. The tail not being painted indicates Airbus knew a long time ago that Azul would not take the A350.

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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Wed Feb 08, 2017 10:28 am

MSN 92 (China Airlines #5) is online for the first time this morning.
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Wed Feb 08, 2017 10:32 am

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The tail not being painted indicates Airbus knew a long time ago that Azul would not take the A350.



Not really. Half of all A350 tail fins are not painted before assembly.
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Wed Feb 08, 2017 12:01 pm

N501DN (DAL #1) now undergoing final assembly at station 40. Getting closer to see a Delta painted tail soon.
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Wed Feb 08, 2017 12:34 pm

MSN 82 TX #1 first flight today:

https://fr24.com/AIB01NL/c666455
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Wed Feb 08, 2017 1:25 pm

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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Wed Feb 08, 2017 8:25 pm

MSN 112 AD #2 emerged from final assembly. Unlike MSN 98, the tail fin has been painted in Azul colors.

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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Wed Feb 08, 2017 8:54 pm

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Wow. That livery looks stunning on the A350! My favourite so far.
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Wed Feb 08, 2017 10:05 pm

[quote="KarelXWB"]MSN 112 AD #2 emerged from final assembly. Unlike MSN 98, the tail fin has been painted in Azul colors.

Does it mean it will be taken by Azul first and then possibly sub-lease to one of the Chinese carriers?
 
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N501DN (DAL #1) now undergoing final assembly at station 40. Getting closer to see a Delta painted tail soon.

Thanks!
 
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Thu Feb 09, 2017 11:18 am

MD80MKE wrote:
KarelXWB wrote:
MSN 112 AD #2 emerged from final assembly. Unlike MSN 98, the tail fin has been painted in Azul colors.

Does it mean it will be taken by Azul first and then possibly sub-lease to one of the Chinese carriers?


I do not know, there is too much conflicting information on the internet.
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Thu Feb 09, 2017 3:22 pm

Flight activities today:

- MSN 80 LH 3rd flight https://fr24.com/AIB03NJ/c690eb6
- MSN 47 QR 3rd flight https://fr24.com/AIB03GT/c6933f1
- MSN 65 2nd flight https://fr24.com/AIB02XV/c68c3c1
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Thu Feb 09, 2017 3:24 pm

No bigger technical issue with F-WXLV, seems to be doing a normal test flight now at 38000ft
https://www.flightradar24.com/AIB02XV/
 
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Thu Feb 09, 2017 3:28 pm

Any news about revised delivery schedule for QR?
According to the production list it seems that they are not in a hurry to deliver as expect to the one flying now no other has been painted. There is the one with delay because of fuel tank issue but that doesn't explain all the others.
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Thu Feb 09, 2017 3:47 pm

There are two A350-900s in cabin fit (MSN 69 and 76) and MSN 88 (the first A350-1000) will follow later this month.

Mind blowing that very soon QR #30 will be loaded in final assembly, while delivery stream is at QR #14. That means 16 A350s for QR are floating around in Toulouse.
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Thu Feb 09, 2017 5:01 pm

Nice to see -1000 all performing well over last 24 hours and moving nicely towards mid year certification!
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Thu Feb 09, 2017 9:48 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
There are two A350-900s in cabin fit (MSN 69 and 76) and MSN 88 (the first A350-1000) will follow later this month.

Mind blowing that very soon QR #30 will be loaded in final assembly, while delivery stream is at QR #14. That means 16 A350s for QR are floating around in Toulouse.


Not sure Airbus' finance department sleeps well at night over this amount of QR birds not leaving the nest. I'm sure they're hoping U-turn Al has no surprises coming. :crossfingers: QR is no small client, so they can't get as tough as they could with Skymark or the Sri Lanka NTUs if something happens...
 
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Fri Feb 10, 2017 1:34 am

N501DN (DAL#1) is now undergoing final assembly at station 30. Getting closer & closer
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Feb 10, 2017 2:59 am

FrancisBegbie wrote:
KarelXWB wrote:
There are two A350-900s in cabin fit (MSN 69 and 76) and MSN 88 (the first A350-1000) will follow later this month.

Mind blowing that very soon QR #30 will be loaded in final assembly, while delivery stream is at QR #14. That means 16 A350s for QR are floating around in Toulouse.


Not sure Airbus' finance department sleeps well at night over this amount of QR birds not leaving the nest. I'm sure they're hoping U-turn Al has no surprises coming. :crossfingers: QR is no small client, so they can't get as tough as they could with Skymark or the Sri Lanka NTUs if something happens...

Agreed! But I wish that Airbus could call their bluff and threaten to cancel all their orders unless they take the A32ONEOs and A321NEOs, and stop all their shenanigans! Not going to ever happen of course, just wishful hoping! There are probably a few customers in the pipeline who might perhaps be thrilled to get their A320NEOs/A321NEOs/A359 and A350-1000s a little earlier!
 
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Fri Feb 10, 2017 3:07 am

Two from yesterday :

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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Feb 10, 2017 3:24 am

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There is not much to see as long as it is at Station 50. Wings and tail won't be installed until it arrives at Station 40.

How many stations are there, or what increments?
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Feb 10, 2017 7:56 am

LAX772LR wrote:
KarelXWB wrote:
There is not much to see as long as it is at Station 50. Wings and tail won't be installed until it arrives at Station 40.

How many stations are there, or what increments?


This video gives you a very nice overview:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0jlu0ghNIg
 
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Fri Feb 10, 2017 8:20 am

BobMUC wrote:
LAX772LR wrote:
KarelXWB wrote:
There is not much to see as long as it is at Station 50. Wings and tail won't be installed until it arrives at Station 40.

How many stations are there, or what increments?


This video gives you a very nice overview:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0jlu0ghNIg

Thanks! That was great.
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Feb 10, 2017 8:26 am

audidudi wrote:
FrancisBegbie wrote:
KarelXWB wrote:
There are two A350-900s in cabin fit (MSN 69 and 76) and MSN 88 (the first A350-1000) will follow later this month.

Mind blowing that very soon QR #30 will be loaded in final assembly, while delivery stream is at QR #14. That means 16 A350s for QR are floating around in Toulouse.


Not sure Airbus' finance department sleeps well at night over this amount of QR birds not leaving the nest. I'm sure they're hoping U-turn Al has no surprises coming. :crossfingers: QR is no small client, so they can't get as tough as they could with Skymark or the Sri Lanka NTUs if something happens...

Agreed! But I wish that Airbus could call their bluff and threaten to cancel all their orders unless they take the A32ONEOs and A321NEOs, and stop all their shenanigans! Not going to ever happen of course, just wishful hoping! There are probably a few customers in the pipeline who might perhaps be thrilled to get their A320NEOs/A321NEOs/A359 and A350-1000s a little earlier!


If the product is below par why should the customer accept it?
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Feb 10, 2017 8:40 am

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If the product is below par why should the customer accept it?


Good question. I don't think that Airbus manufacturing goes out of its way to
"sub par" the QR airframes.
All other customers appear to be happy with their deliveries.

Thus it is not out of the question that QR's reticence may be a bit contrived.
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

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But I wish that Airbus could call their bluff and threaten to cancel all their orders unless they take the A32ONEOs and A321NEOs, and stop all their shenanigans!


That's not how professional relationships work. Airbus will have to bend over, no matter what.
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Feb 10, 2017 11:28 am

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That's not how professional relationships work. Airbus will have to bend over, no matter what.


At the moment this looks like Airbus has AlBaker unturning in a high energy particle ring storage
and re purpose the frames. ( for the A320 side of things.) ?
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Fri Feb 10, 2017 2:35 pm

WIederling wrote:
KarelXWB wrote:
That's not how professional relationships work. Airbus will have to bend over, no matter what.


At the moment this looks like Airbus has AlBaker unturning in a high energy particle ring storage
and re purpose the frames. ( for the A320 side of things.) ?


The reason I asked in the first place was to see if anyone knows the new schedule for Qatar to accept the deliveries. Before they talked about 1 a month but it starts to look like 1 every other month. Maybe Qatar grew a bit too fast and had to slow down and as it has became silent lately I would believe Airbus and Qatar have agreed on a new delivery schedule but it takes time to adapt as so many frames are already in production but we can see how Qatar frames now moves very slowly.
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Feb 10, 2017 3:09 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
Mind blowing that very soon QR #30 will be loaded in final assembly, while delivery stream is at QR #14. That means 16 A350s for QR are floating around in Toulouse.

Wow, I wasn't aware that there are that many QR A350s in TLS right now. Are they stored outside or are they at different stations? .... I guess a mixture of both but any information would be great.
 
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N14AZ wrote:
KarelXWB wrote:
Mind blowing that very soon QR #30 will be loaded in final assembly, while delivery stream is at QR #14. That means 16 A350s for QR are floating around in Toulouse.

Wow, I wasn't aware that there are that many QR A350s in TLS right now. Are they stored outside or are they at different stations? .... I guess a mixture of both but any information would be great.


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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Feb 10, 2017 4:45 pm

FrancisBegbie wrote:
KarelXWB wrote:
There are two A350-900s in cabin fit (MSN 69 and 76) and MSN 88 (the first A350-1000) will follow later this month.

Mind blowing that very soon QR #30 will be loaded in final assembly, while delivery stream is at QR #14. That means 16 A350s for QR are floating around in Toulouse.


Not sure Airbus' finance department sleeps well at night over this amount of QR birds not leaving the nest. I'm sure they're hoping U-turn Al has no surprises coming. :crossfingers: QR is no small client, so they can't get as tough as they could with Skymark or the Sri Lanka NTUs if something happens...


Sri Lanka was not Airbus problem, but ALC who had ordered them from Airbus. And ALC is a large Airbus customer
 
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LAX772LR wrote:
KarelXWB wrote:
There is not much to see as long as it is at Station 50. Wings and tail won't be installed until it arrives at Station 40.

How many stations are there, or what increments?


Goto http://www.a350xwb.com/industrial-process/ and click "On the production line",
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Feb 10, 2017 7:54 pm

Looks like MSN 47 QR #14 arrived at the delivery centre. Let's see if Airbus can deliver it before the end of the month.

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Fri Feb 10, 2017 8:34 pm

Cebo29 wrote:
DAL N501DN (DAL #1) is under fuselage join at station 50. We should see one with the Delta tail painted soon after final assembly.


dtwpilot225 wrote:
Getting closer and closer for to see 115 (delta)! Can't wait to see that widget tail


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Meanwhile MSN 111 TG #4 emerged from final assembly.

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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Feb 10, 2017 8:40 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
Cebo29 wrote:
DAL N501DN (DAL #1) is under fuselage join at station 50. We should see one with the Delta tail painted soon after final assembly.


dtwpilot225 wrote:
Getting closer and closer for to see 115 (delta)! Can't wait to see that widget tail


You guys may end up being disappointed when the jet leaves final assembly.

Because........?
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Feb 10, 2017 8:54 pm

audidudi wrote:
KarelXWB wrote:
Cebo29 wrote:
DAL N501DN (DAL #1) is under fuselage join at station 50. We should see one with the Delta tail painted soon after final assembly.


dtwpilot225 wrote:
Getting closer and closer for to see 115 (delta)! Can't wait to see that widget tail


You guys may end up being disappointed when the jet leaves final assembly.

Because........?


I seem to remember not all A350s have their tail painted from the beginning, so that could be a possible reason...
 
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Sat Feb 11, 2017 12:11 am

Theseus wrote:
audidudi wrote:
KarelXWB wrote:



You guys may end up being disappointed when the jet leaves final assembly.

Because........?


I seem to remember not all A350s have their tail painted from the beginning, so that could be a possible reason...

Yes, I have seen that before. Why is that? What determines whether the tail is fully painted or not for final assembly, prior to roll out?
 
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Sat Feb 11, 2017 2:13 am

Because it's our first A359.......that's why!
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Sat Feb 11, 2017 9:17 am

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Because it's our first A359.......that's why!


Do you mean that DL wants to uncover the whole plane at once after painting, as it is their first A359 ?
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Sat Feb 11, 2017 10:27 am

MSN71 (the third -1000 test frame - but second to fly) is doing a series of take offs and landings in opposite directions this morning.

Will this be for tailwind departure tests as other flights are landing in the same direction.
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Sat Feb 11, 2017 3:13 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
Cebo29 wrote:
DAL N501DN (DAL #1) is under fuselage join at station 50. We should see one with the Delta tail painted soon after final assembly.


dtwpilot225 wrote:
Getting closer and closer for to see 115 (delta)! Can't wait to see that widget tail


You guys may end up being disappointed when the jet leaves final assembly.


It's more about just seeing it and knowing it's ours. A lot of people have put a lot of hard work into this program and this airplane is part of our future, even if that tail isn't painted, can't wait to see it
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Sat Feb 11, 2017 6:34 pm

I believe N501DN (DAL#1) will be like the the previous A359 aircraft with it's Delta painted tail. It may not. Just excited to know we'll see it soon.
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Mon Feb 13, 2017 9:20 pm

Qatar's A350-1000 will feature 327 seats (46 J, 281 Y). For comparison, their 77W features 335 seats (42 J, 293 Y). Looks like they swapped 2 economy rows for 1 row J seats.

https://twitter.com/A350_Production/sta ... 1403780096
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

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Qatar's A350-1000 will feature 327 seats (46 J, 281 Y). For comparison, their 77W features 335 seats (42 J, 293 Y). Looks like they swapped 1 economy row for 1 row J seats.

https://twitter.com/A350_Production/sta ... 1403780096

Note that is their old 77W configuration. The planes now seat 358 (42 J, 316 Y) with the switch to 10Y.
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Mon Feb 13, 2017 9:50 pm

Here is an Edited one . Imagine someting similar with blue winglets.
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Tue Feb 14, 2017 11:51 am

MSN 84 (Singapore #11) out on a second flight test this morning. We're comfortably looking at 5 (4 more) deliveries this month.
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

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MSN 84 (Singapore #11) out on a second flight test this morning. We're comfortably looking at 5 (4 more) deliveries this month.


MSN 80, 82 and 84 are a given, but I wouldn't be so sure about MSN 47. The aircraft has been moved back to the flight line.
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