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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Wed Jan 11, 2017 12:47 pm

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Qatar's first A350-1000, MSN 88, emerged from final assembly and is currently parked outside. Let's see when the first spotter grabs a photo.


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Wed Jan 11, 2017 1:11 pm

When is expected to see first Azul's A350 painted?
 
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Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:00 pm

MSN 65 emerged from cabin fit.

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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:17 pm

Will all the -1000s have the new rear galley and slimmer toilets??
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Thu Jan 12, 2017 9:58 am

MSN 70 CX #11 first flight today:

https://fr24.com/AIB01TJ/c25c2d6
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Thu Jan 12, 2017 10:24 am

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Contrary to the belief that KLM won't be getting its A350, they declared that 2020 is the year when they receive their first aircraft:

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... 20-432952/


Good. I hope it turns out to be true. Variety is the spice of life and KLM in the past never disappointed in this by flying a handful of (almost) every widebody around. :D. With the 744 leaving it, they can do with some fresh blood.

Too bad they never bought a handful of A343s. They would have looked great in light blue.
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Jan 13, 2017 11:04 am

Delight to see both -1000 test aircraft smoothly clocking up the hours. Looks as if the thorough approach adopted with the -900 paying dividends and will produce certification on schedule.
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Jan 13, 2017 1:06 pm

MSN 47 QR #14 in the air on its first flight:

https://fr24.com/AIB01GT/c286b35
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Jan 13, 2017 1:44 pm

Not yet in FR24 database so not trackable as an A350. That is two first flights so far this month. Probably no deliveries but there will be some next month.

The two flying -1000's are clocking up the hours and today the -900 test frame ws doing significant low speed testing.
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Jan 13, 2017 2:19 pm

According to one of the pictures that were taken about like a week ago, one of the Air Caraibes A350s was parked on the flight line. Right next to MSN70 and MSN47. But obviously it is not there anymore and moved for further rework. Just wondering what happened there. Is it normal to move frames back and forth between flight line and stations?
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Jan 13, 2017 2:38 pm

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According to one of the pictures that were taken about like a week ago, one of the Air Caraibes A350s was parked on the flight line. Right next to MSN70 and MSN47. But obviously it is not there anymore and moved for further rework. Just wondering what happened there. Is it normal to move frames back and forth between flight line and stations?


That was MSN 91 TX #2. It is temporary parked on the flight line before moving to the next phase of assembly.

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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Jan 13, 2017 3:00 pm

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Will all the -1000s have the new rear galley and slimmer toilets??


Additional capacity won't become available until the end of the decade.

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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Jan 13, 2017 3:07 pm

Probably mentioned before in which case I am sorry, but what is the reason MSN71, the 3rd built -1000 is flying already and MSN65 F-WLXV is not?

Unrelated, but I just checked the online spreadsheet and I am very disappointed and disgusted that Airbus will start skipping MSNs again, they will not build MSN 108 and 131 due for American. Wouldn't it be nicer and easier to shuffle around numbers and fill these gaps? :banghead: Now just like with the other types we will have MSN 1000 being only the 987th built for instance and so on.
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Fri Jan 13, 2017 3:12 pm

I guess it will be optional. If you already operate a A350 fleet you want to avoid a fleet with different IFE, seatcounts and galley configurations.. Maybe it will be refittable. https://leehamnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/350-cabin-improvements2-28.01.2015.png
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Jan 13, 2017 3:19 pm

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Is the DN for Delta Northwest???

No. DL generally uses NXXXDL, NXXXDA, NXXXDN and sometimes NXXXDQ and NXXXDZ for it regs if they can. Always have.


Except for their brand new A330-302's which are are NXXNW and ais not a NW legacy order as far as I know?
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Jan 13, 2017 3:22 pm

MSN 80 LH #2 has moved to the flight line, and MSN 89 ET #3 just performed a RTO.
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Jan 13, 2017 3:28 pm

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Probably mentioned before in which case I am sorry, but what is the reason MSN71, the 3rd built -1000 is flying already and MSN65 F-WLXV is not?

Unrelated, but I just checked the online spreadsheet and I am very disappointed and disgusted that Airbus will start skipping MSNs again, they will not build MSN 108 and 131 due for American. Wouldn't it be nicer and easier to shuffle around numbers and fill these gaps? :banghead: Now just like with the other types we will have MSN 1000 being only the 987th built for instance and so on.


MSN 65 has an interior fitted whilst MSN 71 doesn't , so 65 took longer to assemble.

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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Sat Jan 14, 2017 3:30 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
MSN 70 CX #11 first flight today:

https://fr24.com/AIB01TJ/c25c2d6


A banking shot of MSN 70 during its first flight:

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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Mon Jan 16, 2017 1:47 pm

MSN 89 ET #3 first flight today:

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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Mon Jan 16, 2017 5:46 pm

Third -1000 XV online ....all looking encouraging with sisters already putting in good shifts daily!
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Tue Jan 17, 2017 1:30 pm

Per Ethiopian tweet, they will get MSN89 on 01/31/2017. Making at least one delivery in January. Not too bad after Airbus' desperate December.
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Tue Jan 17, 2017 1:56 pm

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Per Ethiopian tweet, they will get MSN89 on 01/31/2017. Making at least one delivery in January. Not too bad after Airbus' desperate December.
MSN 70 (Cathay #11) currently has an EIS of Feb 2nd so assume that is also a Jan delivery with the business class installed in TLS.
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Wed Jan 18, 2017 11:32 am

MSN 70 CX #11 second flight today:

https://fr24.com/AIB02TJ/c33ccec
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Wed Jan 18, 2017 11:41 am

An interesting piece of information regarding wing production:

The site is currently working on wings for 10 A350s at a time as Airbus ramps up production to what will be its highest ever level for a wide-body plane. The factory handed over 72 A350 wingsets last year, and is now working on aircraft no. 144, Gerrard said. The next milestone will be to incorporate a twist in the -900’s wings that’s being introduced with the -1000, he said.


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... ivery-push
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Wed Jan 18, 2017 11:51 am

Twist? Is the same thing that happened with the A380 being made to the A350 as well? Good news, I guess.
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Wed Jan 18, 2017 1:14 pm

Was a twist ever introduced to the wing of the A380? What sort of a twist?
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Wed Jan 18, 2017 1:18 pm

What is the expected benefit of amending the wing twist? I am presuming there will be greater lift and/or reduced drag.

Does anyone know what will happen to range/payload from this change?
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Wed Jan 18, 2017 2:48 pm

The wing twist on the A380 was introduced starting MSN95, I believe. Not sure about the payload / range characteristics, but I was under the impression the twist is based on historic data available later in the aircraft's life about airflow of the wing. Thus the twist optimizes wing lift distribution, which helps the stalling properties. (or reduces them)
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Wed Jan 18, 2017 3:06 pm

Does anyone knows something about some or all of the LATAM/JJ A350s going to QR?

And to make this rumor more consistent:

"LATAM Airlines Brasil in recent schedule update adjusted planned International operation from 26MAR17, including reduced operation for Airbus A350-900XWB aircraft. As of 17JAN17, planned service changes as follow.

Sao Paulo Guarulhos – Miami 777-300ER continues operation, 2 daily, instead of planned A350
Sao Paulo Guarulhos – Orlando 26MAR17 – 31MAY17 Boeing 767 replaces A350, 1 daily
Sao Paulo Guarulhos – Paris CDG A350-900XWB replaces 777-300ER, however the 350 will operate on alternating days, instead of 1 daily

Previously planned adjustment remains unchanged:
Sao Paulo Guarulhos – Milan Malpensa Boeing 767 replaces A350, 1 daily
Sao Paulo Guarulhos – New York JFK Reduce from 10 to 7 weekly, 777-300ER operates daily

On separate note, planned Airbus A350 service on Sao Paulo Guarulhos – Santiago de Chile from 26MAR17, has switched back to Boeing 767."

Source:http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/270924/latam-airlines-brasil-ns17-long-haul-changes-as-of-17jan17/

So no more A350 on MIA route, 767 replacing MCO and MXP routes.
It seems that only MAD (daily) was untouched, plus CDG ( not daily)....

The A350 is so much better from a pax point of view. Both C and Y on JJ are way better on the A350.
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Wed Jan 18, 2017 3:12 pm

I saw something on twitter about the qr a350 flights to Spain having a very dense configuration...... But would AAB ever accept a (slightly) used aircraft?
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Wed Jan 18, 2017 11:50 pm

Do you have some news for Asiana Airlines's A350?
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Thu Jan 19, 2017 9:29 am

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Do you have some news for Asiana Airlines's A350?
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The first one (MSN 94) is currently undergoing cabin installation. The second one (MSN 117) is entering final assembly.
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Thu Jan 19, 2017 9:30 am

A350-1000 MSN 59 flew to Istres this morning.

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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Thu Jan 19, 2017 10:19 am

Airbus working with a data mining company for help with a350 production.....

http://www.ft.com/content/fec32e48-ddab ... 108f1c1dce
 
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Thu Jan 19, 2017 11:13 am

The article that Karel referenced about the wing twist has been edited slightly...
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/ ... ivery-push
The next milestone will be to incorporate a “twist” in the -900’s wings that’s being introduced with the -1000 to fine-tune the geometrical assembly of some wing components, he said.


Does this mean its for production improvement and not aerodynamic?
 
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Thu Jan 19, 2017 11:20 am

 
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Thu Jan 19, 2017 11:21 am

MSN 88, Qatar's first A350-1000, has been moved to the A380 site.

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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Thu Jan 19, 2017 11:37 am

ap305 wrote:
The article that Karel referenced about the wing twist has been edited slightly...
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/ ... ivery-push
The next milestone will be to incorporate a “twist” in the -900’s wings that’s being introduced with the -1000 to fine-tune the geometrical assembly of some wing components, he said.


Does this mean its for production improvement and not aerodynamic?


Changing the twist is for aerodynamics, they probably do production improvements at the same time.
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Thu Jan 19, 2017 2:48 pm

ap305 wrote:
The article that Karel referenced about the wing twist has been edited slightly...
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/ ... ivery-push
The next milestone will be to incorporate a “twist” in the -900’s wings that’s being introduced with the -1000 to fine-tune the geometrical assembly of some wing components, he said.


Does this mean its for production improvement and not aerodynamic?


Would anyone change aerodynamics to the worse for some improvement in production?

Must be neutral or bring some gain or other afaics. On the A380 it was to improve aerodynamics.
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Thu Jan 19, 2017 2:58 pm

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Would anyone change aerodynamics to the worse for some improvement in production?

Must be neutral or bring some gain or other afaics. On the A380 it was to improve aerodynamics.
http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/ ... sh-airways half way down.


Where did I say that it was for the worse? I am well aware of what they did on the a380.... The reason I brought it up was the specific editing in the article which now makes it look like some sort of production improvement move. I am a bit confused myself as to how a twist change can help with better geometric alignment of parts....
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Thu Jan 19, 2017 3:06 pm

ap305 wrote:
WIederling wrote:

Would anyone change aerodynamics to the worse for some improvement in production?

Must be neutral or bring some gain or other afaics. On the A380 it was to improve aerodynamics.
http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/ ... sh-airways half way down.


Where did I say that it was for the worse? I am well aware of what they did on the a380.... The reason I brought it up was the specific editing in the article which now makes it look like some sort of production improvement move. I am a bit confused myself as to how a twist change can help with better geometric alignment of parts....


The specific wording of a non aviation expert. Just shortening a few sentences, leaving out a few words out of the explanation one got, can change the sense.

Nobody changes wing twist just to ease production. Wing twist is an important aerodynamic factor that is not played with.
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Jan 20, 2017 1:12 am

Does anyone know if deltas first 350 is being built yet? How long does it take to build a 350?
Can't wait to see it in dtw
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Jan 20, 2017 4:55 am

DAL N501DN (MSN #115) showing parts arriving in TLS on 1-13-2017. We should be able to see it soon.
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Jan 20, 2017 5:27 am

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DAL N501DN (MSN #115) showing parts arriving in TLS on 1-13-2017. We should be able to see it soon.

Cant wait to see pics!!
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Jan 20, 2017 3:38 pm

The first -1000 test frame is busy doing multiple touch and goes at Clermont Ferrand today. Autoland? Crosswind?
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Jan 20, 2017 6:16 pm

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Does anyone know if deltas first 350 is being built yet? How long does it take to build a 350?
Can't wait to see it in dtw


See production list https://sites.google.com/site/a350xwbpr ... ction-list
Parts as said is arriving so it should be moved to station 50 soon which is fuselage join.

#113 is expected for June for so I think you can expect something similar for Delta's first.
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Sun Jan 22, 2017 12:47 am

According to Akbar Al Baker Qatar's first A350-1000, MSN88, is to be delivered in October instead of July this year.

french only: http://www.latribune.fr/entreprises-finance/industrie/aeronautique-defense/la-premiere-livraison-de-l-airbus-a350-1000-a-qatar-airways-est-prevue-en-octobre-631868.html
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Sun Jan 22, 2017 4:36 am

DABYT wrote:
According to Akbar Al Baker Qatar's first A350-1000, MSN88, is to be delivered in October instead of July this year.

That's been known since Q4 last year. Last schedule for A35Js that i've seen is:
MSN 88 QR - Oct 2017
MSN 102 QR - Nov 2017
MSN 110 QR - Dec 2017
MSN 118 CX - Apr 2018
MSN 125 QR - Jan 2018
MSN 141 QR - Feb 2018
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Tue Jan 24, 2017 5:54 am

First A350 for Air Caraïbes (MSN82) has been painted and is with engines.
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Tue Jan 24, 2017 6:24 am

MSN 70 (Cathay #11) is at the delivery centre this morning.
MSN 80 (Lufthansa #2) powered on yesterday on the flight line.

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