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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Wed Apr 12, 2017 11:25 am

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hkcanadaexpat wrote:
MSN 99 (Singapore #13/14) completed its RTO late Tue afternoon.


And now preparing for FF:
https://www.flightradar24.com/AIB01FU

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Wed Apr 12, 2017 2:15 pm

MSN 94 (Asiana #1) is now at the delivery center.
 
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Wed Apr 12, 2017 2:53 pm

Water ingestion tests on the -1000 has been performed.
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Wed Apr 12, 2017 6:39 pm

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Sorry to deviate, but the US3 operate some of the most premium heavy configurations in the world, United especially has a massive amount of J seats on most aircraft, far more then most others. AA has some very premium heavy 77W's, as does UA. DL is much closer to the sort of norm that most carriers have.

I more meant the US3 are not big fans of having various subfleet types differing in configuration. Usually when they do it is to have a configuration less premium heavy than their usual (for things like Hawaii and other domestic flights).

Ahh ok I gotcha, sorry about that!
 
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MSN 93 first flight today:

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Thu Apr 13, 2017 7:03 am

MSN 95 (Thai #3) at the delivery center this morning.
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Thu Apr 13, 2017 8:19 am

The A350-1000 test fleet certainly seem to be piling on the flight test hours. I see lots of circuits so I presume they are doing autoland tests in many different configurations.

Do we know what major tests are still to complete?

I haven't seen if the have done artificial icing yet. I also think there is another hot campaign to come. They have done a high energy RTO but I suspect not yet the final MTOW one.

I hope to see route proving type testing starting soon.
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Thu Apr 13, 2017 8:23 am

Is first customer delivery still expected in October ? The way QR has delayed taking their -900s there is a risk that the same will happen with the -1000s.

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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Thu Apr 13, 2017 8:42 am

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Water ingestion tests on the -1000 has been performed.
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Water ingestion? For the APU? :wink2:

.. and now in thrust reverse :hyper:

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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Thu Apr 13, 2017 8:42 am

MSN 94 (Asiana #1) preparing for first CAF this morning. #AIB03NY
And MSN 111 (Thai #4) is active on the flightline for the first time. I have a feeling Karel will tell us it is yet to be painted...
 
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Thu Apr 13, 2017 12:12 pm

MSN 69 QR in the air for a second test flight.
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hkcanadaexpat wrote:
MSN 94 (Asiana #1) preparing for first CAF this morning. #AIB03NY
And MSN 111 (Thai #4) is active on the flightline for the first time. I have a feeling Karel will tell us it is yet to be painted...


Affirmative, MSN 111 is unpainted.
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Thu Apr 13, 2017 10:53 pm

I know it's unlikely and the -800 is dead.
Can't help but wonder if the downturn in Wide bodies could be a calling from the grave though.
Not sure how accurate pricing is on Wikipedia (and know that those prices don't mean much), but according to it, the -800 is now cheaper than the A330-900NEO.
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Apr 14, 2017 6:26 am

MSN 101 (Cathay #15/16) is on the flightline this morning. i believe this one is painted!
It also seems that MSN 107 (Singapore #13/14) has been moved to the paint hangar on April 11th post first flight.
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Apr 14, 2017 7:46 am

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MSN 101 (Cathay #15/16) is on the flightline this morning. i believe this one is painted!


Correct! :)

It also seems that MSN 107 (Singapore #13/14) has been moved to the paint hangar on April 11th post first flight.


And MSN 109 ferry flight to XFW is currently scheduled for the end of April.
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Apr 14, 2017 9:31 am

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Very confusing indeed.... A 9700nm a359 will either be the 280t variant flying close to empty or will have the 351's hardware. If it's the latter it will likely require a decent investment and requisite board approval. Perhaps they already have authority to offer now with a formal launch at a later date.


IMU you miss out on OEW reductions.
for the ULR: less seating, less consumables,
for all A359: A35k backported doorframes
and other weight reductions introduced on the -1000 tagged for backporting to the -900.
The A35k afaik got bespoke CFRP frames ( frame thickness dependent on station.)

engine pips and final aero tuning ( like wing twist ).
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Fri Apr 14, 2017 1:06 pm

WIederling wrote:
ap305 wrote:
Very confusing indeed.... A 9700nm a359 will either be the 280t variant flying close to empty or will have the 351's hardware. If it's the latter it will likely require a decent investment and requisite board approval. Perhaps they already have authority to offer now with a formal launch at a later date.


IMU you miss out on OEW reductions.
for the ULR: less seating, less consumables,
for all A359: A35k backported doorframes
and other weight reductions introduced on the -1000 tagged for backporting to the -900.
The A35k afaik got bespoke CFRP frames ( frame thickness dependent on station.)

engine pips and final aero tuning ( like wing twist ).

Can these improvements explain 1000 nm extra range over what they announced just last year ?
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Apr 14, 2017 1:08 pm

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IMU you miss out on OEW reductions.
for the ULR: less seating, less consumables,
for all A359: A35k backported doorframes
and other weight reductions introduced on the -1000 tagged for backporting to the -900.
The A35k afaik got bespoke CFRP frames ( frame thickness dependent on station.)

engine pips and final aero tuning ( like wing twist ).

Sincerely doubt that those alone would give an aircraft, already operating in the extremes of range, an extra 1000nm boost.

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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Apr 14, 2017 1:48 pm

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Can these improvements explain 1000 nm extra range over what they announced just last year ?


payload range from ACAPS ( ?apparently for the 280t version? ) shows fuel limit @8800nm range ( remaining 25t payload.)

simplistic extension for 165kl versus 156kl fuel ( 7.2t) moves that out to 9500nm range and payload down to 17.5t.
( payload numbers are for a 325 "typical" seats and provisioning OEW shown as 31t payload in the graph.)

(if payload range is for the original ~268t version things look much better.)

Now payload can be improved by way of weight reductions on the basic airframe and a lighter cabin.
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Apr 14, 2017 2:05 pm

MSN 95 TG #3 is having its first CAF right now.
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Apr 14, 2017 2:10 pm

WIederling wrote:
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Can these improvements explain 1000 nm extra range over what they announced just last year ?


payload range from ACAPS ( ?apparently for the 280t version? ) shows fuel limit @8800nm range ( remaining 25t payload.)

simplistic extension for 165kl versus 156kl fuel ( 7.2t) moves that out to 9500nm range and payload down to 17.5t.
( payload numbers are for a 325 "typical" seats and provisioning OEW shown as 31t payload in the graph.)

(if payload range is for the original ~268t version things look much better.)

Now payload can be improved by way of weight reductions on the basic airframe and a lighter cabin.


Also simplistically 175t = 175 PAX + baggage (75kg pax and 25kg bag = 100kg each), no freight. Hard to make money on that.

But, if you could bump MTOW 10t to 290t and add another 100 PAX the ecconomics should be workable.
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Apr 14, 2017 2:25 pm

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final aero tuning ( like wing twist ).


They had to this with the A380 so are you telling me A350 also has subobtimal wing design?
 
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Fri Apr 14, 2017 2:46 pm

Strato2 wrote:
WIederling wrote:
final aero tuning ( like wing twist ).


They had to this with the A380 so are you telling me A350 also has subobtimal wing design?


increasing twist is the opposite to more washout ( against control loss from stalling the outer wing.)
i.e they found in testing that they have reserves in stalling the outer wing last....
( result more lift outboards .. you can't hug the border from the get go on savety requirements.)
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Apr 14, 2017 4:28 pm

That test for the 1000. I believe it's tests for RTO on contaminated runways.
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Sat Apr 15, 2017 8:58 am

MSN 105 CI #6 made it to the flight line.

Also visible at the back is MSN 109 CX (unpainted).

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And here is the visual proof that MSN 109 is unpainted:

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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Sun Apr 16, 2017 2:45 pm

MSN 125, Qatar's 4th A350-1000, emerged from final assembly.

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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Tue Apr 18, 2017 9:27 am

MSN 109 (Cathay #15/16) preparing for its first flight. #AIB01GF. I completed a second engine run yesterday so perhaps change of engine before first flight.
 
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Tue Apr 18, 2017 11:24 am

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MSN 109 (Cathay #15/16) preparing for its first flight. #AIB01GF. I completed a second engine run yesterday so perhaps change of engine before first flight.


and airborne: https://www.flightradar24.com/AIB01GF/d1a0805
 
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Tue Apr 18, 2017 12:20 pm

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MSN 105 CI #6 made it to the flight line.

powered on for the first time today. Also second flight for MSN 103 (Ethiopian #4) #AIB02FZ
 
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Tue Apr 18, 2017 4:53 pm

MSN 104 AY #9 has rolled out today.

If I'm not mistaken, this one has a different cabin configuration.

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Tue Apr 18, 2017 5:11 pm

And it looks like MSN 94 OZ #1 completed a second CAF today (AIB04NY).

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Tue Apr 18, 2017 6:38 pm

petera380 wrote:
hkcanadaexpat wrote:
MSN 109 (Cathay #15/16) preparing for its first flight. #AIB01GF. I completed a second engine run yesterday so perhaps change of engine before first flight.


and airborne: https://www.flightradar24.com/AIB01GF/d1a0805


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Tue Apr 18, 2017 7:33 pm

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MSN 104 AY #9 has rolled out today.

If I'm not mistaken, this one has a different cabin configuration.


In what way?
 
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AirlineCritic wrote:
KarelXWB wrote:
MSN 104 AY #9 has rolled out today.

If I'm not mistaken, this one has a different cabin configuration.


In what way?


Current J46 /W43 / Y208 and the new J32 /W42 /Y262
 
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Tue Apr 18, 2017 7:54 pm

April is over halfway and Airbus has managed only 14 deliveries so far this year. Their target for 2017 is 80 deliveries so they need to deliver 66 planes in less than 8½ months so about 8 aircraft per month on average. So far they have managed to deliver five per month in February and March so they need to speed up considerably to be able to hit their targets.
 
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April is over halfway and Airbus has managed only 14 deliveries so far this year. Their target for 2017 is 80 deliveries so they need to deliver 66 planes in less than 8½ months so about 8 aircraft per month on average. So far they have managed to deliver five per month in February and March so they need to speed up considerably to be able to hit their targets.


Indeed. Actually, the production list shows 5 more plane deliveries by the end of April, which would make it 8 for that month.
 
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Tue Apr 18, 2017 8:15 pm

kaukalo wrote:
AirlineCritic wrote:
KarelXWB wrote:
MSN 104 AY #9 has rolled out today.

If I'm not mistaken, this one has a different cabin configuration.


In what way?


Current J46 /W43 / Y208 and the new J32 /W42 /Y262


I did not know about this 2nd configuration. Good to know. Also, I assume it will retain the same 1-2-1 J?

The A350-900 is a wonderfully versatile aircraft as far as both range flexibility and capacity flexibility is concerned.

I can't wait to see what the A350-1000 brings to the table.
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Tue Apr 18, 2017 8:23 pm

MoKa777 wrote:
kaukalo wrote:
AirlineCritic wrote:

In what way?


Current J46 /W43 / Y208 and the new J32 /W42 /Y262


I did not know about this 2nd configuration. Good to know. Also, I assume it will retain the same 1-2-1 J?

The A350-900 is a wonderfully versatile aircraft as far as both range flexibility and capacity flexibility is concerned.

I can't wait to see what the A350-1000 brings to the table.


Same seats, just different ratio between premium and non-premium seats. Basically their small business section behind door 2 is traded into more economy seats
 
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Tue Apr 18, 2017 9:12 pm

Someone83 wrote:
MoKa777 wrote:
kaukalo wrote:

Current J46 /W43 / Y208 and the new J32 /W42 /Y262


I did not know about this 2nd configuration. Good to know. Also, I assume it will retain the same 1-2-1 J?

The A350-900 is a wonderfully versatile aircraft as far as both range flexibility and capacity flexibility is concerned.

I can't wait to see what the A350-1000 brings to the table.


Same seats, just different ratio between premium and non-premium seats. Basically their small business section behind door 2 is traded into more economy seats


Thank you for the clarification.
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Tue Apr 18, 2017 9:21 pm

Strato2 wrote:
April is over halfway and Airbus has managed only 14 deliveries so far this year. Their target for 2017 is 80 deliveries so they need to deliver 66 planes in less than 8½ months so about 8 aircraft per month on average. So far they have managed to deliver five per month in February and March so they need to speed up considerably to be able to hit their targets.

There were 7 in march that were contractually delivered, including MSN87, MSN96 and MSN97. I believe that's partly because of the end of 1st financial quarter push. There will be 4-5 more delivered before the end of the month and I think that will probably be the norm for the rest of year at about 6 for month.
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Tue Apr 18, 2017 10:26 pm

The issues that CX is having with the J-class cabin seats, is this affecting the ongoing new production run?
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Wed Apr 19, 2017 3:26 am

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The issues that CX is having with the J-class cabin seats, is this affecting the ongoing new production run?

CX takes delivery of its current A350s without J seats which are installed by HAECO in HKG so this should have zero impact in production/delivery at Airbus.
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Wed Apr 19, 2017 7:47 am

MD80MKE wrote:
Strato2 wrote:
April is over halfway and Airbus has managed only 14 deliveries so far this year. Their target for 2017 is 80 deliveries so they need to deliver 66 planes in less than 8½ months so about 8 aircraft per month on average. So far they have managed to deliver five per month in February and March so they need to speed up considerably to be able to hit their targets.

There were 7 in march that were contractually delivered, including MSN87, MSN96 and MSN97. I believe that's partly because of the end of 1st financial quarter push. There will be 4-5 more delivered before the end of the month and I think that will probably be the norm for the rest of year at about 6 for month.


With another big delivery push in December.
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Wed Apr 19, 2017 9:10 am

MSN 122 SQ #16 is currently parked in front of Station 20, it should move to cabin fit shortly.

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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Wed Apr 19, 2017 9:16 am

MSN 93 CX #14 started its engines for a second test flight today.

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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Wed Apr 19, 2017 9:38 am

So the target this year is 80 or 31 more than last year.

Looking at Year to date figures Airbus are currently 8 ahead of last year with half of April left. Should they deliver 2 more in April then they would be 10 ahead with one third of the year to go.

There are currently 12 on or around the flight line/delivery centre.

I am not as pessimistic as some on here are.
 
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Wed Apr 19, 2017 9:45 am

People also forget that A350 production remains in a ramp-up phase and will continue to do until the end of 2018. So if you look at the curve, there will always be more deliveries in the second half of the year. Therefore it's pointless to look at average deliveries so early in the year.
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Wed Apr 19, 2017 1:34 pm

Seems that the A350-1000 VMU test was successful:

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