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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Sat Feb 25, 2017 9:47 pm

Nope, MSN 47 is still in TLS.
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Sat Feb 25, 2017 10:13 pm

MSN 71 completed cold weather tests in Iqaluit and returned to TLS.

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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Sat Feb 25, 2017 10:23 pm

Beautiful photograph of MSN 71. Thanks for sharing.
9V-SMK is also still sitting at TLS, right?
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Sat Feb 25, 2017 10:38 pm

9V-SMK departed several hours ago.

https://fr24.com/SIA8895/c9128de
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Sat Feb 25, 2017 11:12 pm

You're right, as always. Thanks, Karel XWB.
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Sun Feb 26, 2017 2:52 am

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Did it fly home ? According to the Google spreadsheet, it is still showing "Ready for delivery".

It is still in TLS
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Sun Feb 26, 2017 9:08 am

KarelXWB wrote:
Nope, MSN 47 is still in TLS.

hkcanadaexpat wrote:
It is still in TLS


Ok, thanks.
So the delivery count for February will be between 3 and 5, depending on MSN 47 (QR) and MSN 82 (TX, delivery apparently scheduled for the 28th).
The website of TX seems to let book a flight from ORY to PTP on A350-900 for the 2nd of March. That is quite a fast expected EIS...
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Mon Feb 27, 2017 1:15 pm

MSN 47 will try it again today:

Airbus A350 -941 47 A7-ALN Qatar Airways delivery 27feb17 TLS-DOH ex F-WZGT
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Mon Feb 27, 2017 8:43 pm

MSN 47 is heading home now:

https://fr24.com/QTR3350/c968c01
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Mon Feb 27, 2017 9:16 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
MSN 47 is heading home now:

https://fr24.com/QTR3350/c968c01

Finally!
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Mon Feb 27, 2017 11:46 pm

Has there been any more info on the 3-4-3 configured A350 for Air Caraibes? Im eagerly awaiting actual pictures instead of computer mock-ups. Incidentally, I think the Air Caraibes A350 looks absolutely stunning!
 
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Tue Feb 28, 2017 11:44 am

Here it is, Air Caraïbes first A350 configured in 3-4-3:

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Tue Feb 28, 2017 11:45 am

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Has there been any more info on the 3-4-3 configured A350 for Air Caraibes? Im eagerly awaiting actual pictures instead of computer mock-ups. Incidentally, I think the Air Caraibes A350 looks absolutely stunning!

Here you go:

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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Tue Feb 28, 2017 11:46 am

Is delivery still on for today?
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Tue Feb 28, 2017 11:47 am

StTim wrote:
Is delivery still on for today?

yes. if you follow airbus on twitter, you can see the ceremony happening now.
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Tue Feb 28, 2017 11:47 am

StTim wrote:
Is delivery still on for today?


The delivery ceremony happened this morning, now the press is entering the cabin.
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Tue Feb 28, 2017 11:55 am

Great - so we have 5 confirmed deliveries for February with 7 frames on the flightline of which 3 have already had their first flight. This should mean they are targetting at least 7 deliveries in March.

The pace has certainly picked up.
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Tue Feb 28, 2017 12:08 pm

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Great - so we have 5 confirmed deliveries for February with 7 frames on the flightline of which 3 have already had their first flight. This should mean they are targetting at least 7 deliveries in March.

The pace has certainly picked up.


I think Airbus will keep the pace at 5 per month, for now.
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Tue Feb 28, 2017 12:11 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
Here it is, Air Caraïbes first A350 configured in 3-4-3:


This plane is at it's best when observed from the distance... :crazy:
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Tue Feb 28, 2017 12:34 pm

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Here it is, Air Caraïbes first A350 configured in 3-4-3:


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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Tue Feb 28, 2017 12:59 pm

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I think Airbus will keep the pace at 5 per month, for now.


We have 5 deliveries so far this year. I think we've seen target set at 80 planes (or was it 70?) this year, with 10 months remaining. Simple division says they need to pick up the rate as soon as possible. Even with target at 70 planes they'd need 6.5 a month average.

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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Tue Feb 28, 2017 1:02 pm

gloom wrote:
KarelXWB wrote:
I think Airbus will keep the pace at 5 per month, for now.


We have 5 deliveries so far this year. I think we've seen target set at 80 planes (or was it 70?) this year, with 10 months remaining. Simple division says they need to pick up the rate as soon as possible. Even with target at 70 planes they'd need 6.5 a month average.


Yes, except that's not how Airbus production works. The second half of the year is always more busy than the first half.
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Tue Feb 28, 2017 1:08 pm

But they are working hard to move from that Karel. I see this as a possibility that they can stop the December rush.

There are a couple of things that may help this year.

1. They get 1 bonus delivery as one of the test frames is due to finish refurbishment around the middle of the year.
2. Frames coming out of the travelled work area will continue during the year + the new frames requiring significantly less travelled work - see how quickly some of the new builds are getting to the flightline.

Against this they have the early build -1000's which will delay the delivery process.

I am sure Enders would be over the moon if they did not need to December rush to hit the production target.
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Tue Feb 28, 2017 1:09 pm

I know we're in ramp-up stage. Still, going at 5/month now and likely at 8/month in December as target, doesn't leave much space. Airbus needs time to go to higher gear, certainly, even with December rush :) And also I think Spirit was at 19/quarter in Q4. So likely on April we might go at 6/month, and 7/month somewhere in July, or August, maybe.
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Tue Feb 28, 2017 1:47 pm

I believe the Airbus "public" goal for the year is 80. Based on airline info, it could be up to 91 as MSN 173/174 looks to be the cut-off (LH is expecting 173 in 2017 and DL is expecting 174 in 2018). Actual deliveries is entirely dependent on Qatar. Of the 91 potential deliveries, they count for 18 so they can make it for Airbus or ruin it for Airbus.

Airbus is having a stronger beginning to the year than most experts expected. They usually have such a slow Q1 that first deliveries don't happen until late Feb. Now we'll end Feb @ 6. Based on EIS dates, March should be 6-7 (72/86/92/85/91/87 - 97 oddly has an EIS date of May 3rd) with another 6-7 in April (95/94/96/69/93). So by the end of April, we could be 18 which is a strong number given Airbus' usual strong back end.

Again the issue will be that of those 18, only 2 will be QR. This means an even bigger reliance on QR during the final 2/3 of the year to meet the goal. The story of 2017 will not be about interior delays which is largely done with, it will be about QR. Let's hope there is some truth to the rumours that the current delay is simply about waiting for the new C seats to be announced publicly and then deliveries will flow. Otherwise we may be in for a very frustrating 2017!
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Tue Feb 28, 2017 3:40 pm

The shortest delivery flight for an A350, I presume...
 
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Tue Feb 28, 2017 4:20 pm

Other photos :

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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Tue Feb 28, 2017 5:26 pm

I hope other A350 carriers don't getting any evil-high-density ideas looking at the photos of Air Caraibes' Y configurations! Just look how narrow those seats look compared to the Airbus employee wearing the yellow vest?
 
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Tue Feb 28, 2017 5:36 pm

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I hope other A350 carriers don't getting any evil-high-density ideas looking at the photos of Air Caraibes' Y configurations! Just look how narrow those seats look compared to the Airbus employee wearing the yellow vest?


French Blue will put 411 Seats in there A350.
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Tue Feb 28, 2017 5:37 pm

The third of BYCAC's photos is amazing, IMHO!

Generally, I absolutely hate posts on this forum that simply state "I find that this plane in <that livery> is gorgeous".

But here somehow comes across the sheer engineering feat of integrating thousands and thousands of components into a structure that looks so complete and strong! All the static parts, all the moving parts, the undercarriage, the engines, ........... The power!

Quite a moving photo!
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Tue Feb 28, 2017 7:29 pm

Any updated pictures of DL#1 yet? I'd figure we would've had one lacking the fuselage paint already while outside
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Tue Feb 28, 2017 7:57 pm

737NGFan wrote:
ACCS300 wrote:
I hope other A350 carriers don't getting any evil-high-density ideas looking at the photos of Air Caraibes' Y configurations! Just look how narrow those seats look compared to the Airbus employee wearing the yellow vest?


French Blue will put 411 Seats in there A350.



It will be interesting to see what the cabin looks like with a full load of passengers sitting in it!

I read somewhere that the seats will be equivalent to 3-3-3 configured A330s. I travelled from the UK to Florida a few times on 9 abreast A330s in the Airtours/MyTravel days. At the time, the terrible seat pitch bothered me more than the seat width.

Anyone have any idea of the seat pitch in this 10 abreast A350?
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Wed Mar 01, 2017 1:04 pm

MSN 86 (Vietnam #7) quietly had a second test flight yesterday. MSN 92 (China Airlines #5) is preparing for a third test flight this afternoon. Both could move to the delivery centre as soon as this upcoming weekend.
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Wed Mar 01, 2017 1:26 pm

MSN 65 is currently flying above Romania.

https://fr24.com/AIB09XV/c9a5ac2

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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Wed Mar 01, 2017 5:20 pm

Interesting that MSN65 is spending time in Hamburg on test flying ....believe it has cabin fit .... is anyone aware why not TLS based ....TLS too busy with day to day production?
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Wed Mar 01, 2017 7:07 pm

MSN 96 SQ #12 made it to the flight line.

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Wed Mar 01, 2017 7:13 pm

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MSN 96 SQ #12 made it to the flight line.

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Nice to see the first Air Caraïbes A350 leaving TLS on delivery with the second plane in the background undergoing testing.

And once again, the new Air Caraïbes livery looks amazing on the A350.
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Wed Mar 01, 2017 7:45 pm

Mumrik wrote:
KarelXWB wrote:
MSN 96 SQ #12 made it to the flight line.

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Flightline 1/3/2017 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr


Nice to see the first Air Caraïbes A350 leaving TLS on delivery with the second plane in the background undergoing testing.

And once again, the new Air Caraïbes livery looks amazing on the A350.


If not mistaken, this picture is from today, which means TX#1 came back to TLS after delivery yesterday.
 
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Wed Mar 01, 2017 8:09 pm

Yes TX #1 returned to TLS today. Not sure why:

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MSN 92 CI #5 third flight today:

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Airbus A350 China Airlines cn 092 B-18906 by Jujug Spotting, on Flickr

And the A350-1000 fleet continues clocking up hours:

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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Wed Mar 01, 2017 8:13 pm

BOAC1966 wrote:
Interesting that MSN65 is spending time in Hamburg on test flying ....believe it has cabin fit .... is anyone aware why not TLS based ....TLS too busy with day to day production?


Similar cabin tests were conducted on the A350-900 in XFW. If I'm not mistaken, the cabin design office is located in XFW, making testing and validating easier.
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Wed Mar 01, 2017 8:28 pm

Who thinks here that A350 could use a real stretch based on its wing?

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Wed Mar 01, 2017 9:15 pm

MSN 85 CX #13 went for an engine swing this evening.

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Wed Mar 01, 2017 10:36 pm

Vladex wrote:
Who thinks here that A350 could use a real stretch based on its wing?

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The A350-1000's wing features in increase in chord compared to the -900's. No doubt this will facilitate an A350-1100/-2000/-whatever-it-ends-up-being-called.

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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Thu Mar 02, 2017 1:26 am

I hope they use a wider fuselage instead of a further stretch. With the Beluga XL being a meter wider, that easily adds another row front-to-back.
With the first Beluga XL going into service around 2019, fuselage sections could start arriving as soon as then.
Should lower costs since everything else is shared.

The wider fuselage could also give Airbus options down the road to revive the -800 with the wider fuselage and then upgrade the -900 to it. A wider fuselage seems like it would be cheaper and easier to design too, since you would have less flex and strengthening to deal with.
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Thu Mar 02, 2017 1:30 am

Slug71 wrote:
I hope they use a wider fuselage instead of a further stretch. With the Beluga XL being a meter wider, that easily adds another row front-to-back.
With the first Beluga XL going into service around 2019, fuselage sections could start arriving as soon as then.
Should lower costs since everything else is shared.

The wider fuselage could also give Airbus options down the road to revive the -800 with the wider fuselage and then upgrade the -900 to it. A wider fuselage seems like it would be cheaper and easier to design too, since you would have less flex and strengthening to deal with.


This will simply not happen, it's categorized as completely different aircraft at that point and will have to go through all the certification. Fuselage will stay the same.
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Thu Mar 02, 2017 1:38 am

Slug71 wrote:
I hope they use a wider fuselage instead of a further stretch. With the Beluga XL being a meter wider, that easily adds another row front-to-back.
With the first Beluga XL going into service around 2019, fuselage sections could start arriving as soon as then.
Should lower costs since everything else is shared.

The wider fuselage could also give Airbus options down the road to revive the -800 with the wider fuselage and then upgrade the -900 to it. A wider fuselage seems like it would be cheaper and easier to design too, since you would have less flex and strengthening to deal with.


wider fuselage - unlike a stretch - is not a simple modification, it's a new plane
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Thu Mar 02, 2017 4:07 am

Interesting.
I didn't know that. I thought it would be less certification since it would use the same wings, vtp, engines, mlg etc.
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Thu Mar 02, 2017 10:06 am

First engine run for MSN 91 (Air Caraibes #2 - ILFC) and MSN 72 (Cathay #12) getting ready for second test flight this morning.

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