Airbus A350 Production And Delivery Thread - 2016-2017 (Part 17)

KarelXWB · Fri May 19, 2017 3:31 pm

Breathe wrote:
Air Mauritius posted a few photos of MSN 145 on their twitter feed:

https://twitter.com/airmauritius/status ... 482059267/

Please note, those photos are several weeks old: MSN 145 is already at Station 30.

Bostrom · Fri May 19, 2017 4:11 pm

MD80MKE wrote:
LAX772LR wrote:
Good to finally get some more regional diversity.

What other non-Asian airline has had A350s powered/flying now?
LATAM, Air Caraibes, Delta, Finnair, Ethiopian, and ______?

LH! With almost all of the legacy European carriers getting them. I wouldn't assume "diversity" to be a problem.

It led me to wonder, which European legacy carriers that haven't ordered any A350s?

Only counting airlines that have long haul service today I can think of:

Icelandair
LOT
Alitalia
Swiss
Austrian
TAP

redcap1962 · Fri May 19, 2017 4:46 pm

sadiqutp wrote:
Joking aside, what tests require such maneuvers?

...may be for Fotos or Video taping. Will make some nice top-side shots...

redcap1962 · Fri May 19, 2017 4:54 pm

Bostrom wrote:
Only counting airlines that have long haul service today I can think of:

Icelandair
LOT
Alitalia
Swiss
Austrian
TAP

Austrian will have to decide in forseeable time regarding the renewal of their long haul fleet. The A350 would fit well, permission from mother LH provided. Will depend on their performance in the next years...

Currently they have to take over 2nd-hand metal from LH (ERJ-190) or A320's in wetlease from AB... :cry:

Prashvon · Fri May 19, 2017 8:31 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
Breathe wrote:
Air Mauritius posted a few photos of MSN 145 on their twitter feed:

https://twitter.com/airmauritius/status ... 482059267/

Please note, those photos are several weeks old: MSN 145 is already at Station 30.

Do you new pics for MSN 145?

Ab345 · Fri May 19, 2017 8:36 pm

Bostrom wrote:
MD80MKE wrote:
LAX772LR wrote:
Good to finally get some more regional diversity.

What other non-Asian airline has had A350s powered/flying now?
LATAM, Air Caraibes, Delta, Finnair, Ethiopian, and ______?

LH! With almost all of the legacy European carriers getting them. I wouldn't assume "diversity" to be a problem.

It led me to wonder, which European legacy carriers that haven't ordered any A350s?

Only counting airlines that have long haul service today I can think of:

Icelandair
LOT
Alitalia
Swiss
Austrian
TAP

Icelandair and LOT are mostly Boeing oriented IMO, Alitalia is in no position to shop around for shinny expensive A350s (unless passed along by Etihad), and Swiss/Austrian as mentioned above are in the LH family so if LH wants they can order some, although I think that long haul wise Swiss and Austrian are also moving to Boeing. TAP had A350s on order but switched to the A339

maortega15 · Sat May 20, 2017 1:36 am

Curious to know why all carriers sans QR have only 2 economy seats behind door # 3 with an empty space right next to it. You can look at Seatguru so you know what I'm talking about.

trex8 · Sat May 20, 2017 1:46 am

CI have 3 seats also

A330freak · Sat May 20, 2017 9:08 am

maortega15 wrote:
Curious to know why all carriers sans QR have only 2 economy seats behind door # 3 with an empty space right next to it. You can look at Seatguru so you know what I'm talking about.

A third seat wouldn't work that well given the space taken up by the door. QR (And a few other airlines I think) that don't have that row and probably uses the extra space to give every other seat in that cabin a bit more legroom or maybe to fit a small storage cabinet in.

Photo from
https://thepointsguy.com/2017/05/asiana ... t-economy/

CX Flyboy · Sat May 20, 2017 12:45 pm

hkcanadaexpat wrote:
Fourth test flight for MSN 109 (Cathay #16) this morning #AIB04GF. Could deliver this month. Maybe.

Due for handover June 1st

hkcanadaexpat · Sat May 20, 2017 1:18 pm

MSN 107 (Singapore #14) departing on delivery flight this afternoon #SQ8895. Delivery #20 of 2017.
Interestingly CX, SQ and QR all currently operate 14 A359s.

Geoff1947 · Sat May 20, 2017 3:50 pm

hkcanadaexpat wrote:
MSN 107 (Singapore #14) departing on delivery flight this afternoon #SQ8895. Delivery #20 of 2017.
Interestingly CX, SQ and QR all currently operate 14 A359s.

Think QR currently operate 18 A350s.

KarelXWB · Sat May 20, 2017 4:11 pm

Geoff1947 wrote:
hkcanadaexpat wrote:
MSN 107 (Singapore #14) departing on delivery flight this afternoon #SQ8895. Delivery #20 of 2017.
Interestingly CX, SQ and QR all currently operate 14 A359s.

Think QR currently operate 18 A350s.

Those LATAM A350s are just on short term lease and wil be returned later this year. From a production point of view, MSN 69 is QR #15.

mjoelnir · Sat May 20, 2017 4:37 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
Geoff1947 wrote:
hkcanadaexpat wrote:
MSN 107 (Singapore #14) departing on delivery flight this afternoon #SQ8895. Delivery #20 of 2017.
Interestingly CX, SQ and QR all currently operate 14 A359s.

Think QR currently operate 18 A350s.

Those LATAM A350s are just on short term lease and wil be returned later this year. From a production point of view, MSN 69 is QR #15.

That does not change the fact that Qatar is currently operating 18 frames.

KarelXWB · Sun May 21, 2017 9:09 am

mjoelnir wrote:
That does not change the fact that Qatar is currently operating 18 frames.

How many A350s QR operates through other leases is irrelevant for a production thread.

mjoelnir · Sun May 21, 2017 11:05 am

KarelXWB wrote:
mjoelnir wrote:
That does not change the fact that Qatar is currently operating 18 frames.

How many A350s QR operates through other leases is irrelevant for a production thread.

Than one should very simple not talk about and count how many frames an airline operates, but how many were produced for or delivered to that airline. You accept for your count frames that are outright bought and frames that are leased. The frames we are talking about are registered in Qatar, so we are not talking about a wet lease and the frames being still operated by Latam Airlines.Brasil.

hkcanadaexpat · Sun May 21, 2017 12:39 pm

MSN 69 (Qatar #15) is sporting its final registration today (A7-ALP). Should fly out tomorrow.

hkcanadaexpat · Mon May 22, 2017 6:24 am

MSN 101 (Cathay #15) at the delivery center this morning.

KarelXWB · Mon May 22, 2017 8:22 am

A nice aerial view of the A350s undergoing "outstanding work" at the A380 site:

Uploaded by Graham Stevens https://www.flickr.com/photos/grahampst ... 902144873/

StTim · Mon May 22, 2017 8:52 am

Karel - how is progress on Outstanding Work? It should not be much for current frames but I expect the -1000's may have quite a bit to cover.

KarelXWB · Mon May 22, 2017 9:00 am

Some A350s like Ethiopian Airlines are not going through outstanding work anymore, hence ET deliveries are ahead of other customers. Other aircraft, with the exception of QR and the A350-1000s, are spending just one week or so in those tents.

KarelXWB · Mon May 22, 2017 9:54 am

Looks like MSN 124 has moved from P18 to the A380 site this morning.

1st Airbus A350 Hong Kong Airlines by Jujug Spotting, on Flickr

RickNRoll · Mon May 22, 2017 10:48 am

KarelXWB wrote:
A nice aerial view of the A350s undergoing "outstanding work" at the A380 site:

Uploaded by Graham Stevens https://www.flickr.com/photos/grahampst ... 902144873/

They look like they are feeding.

KarelXWB · Mon May 22, 2017 11:23 am

MSN 104 AY #9 3rd test flight today: https://fr24.com/AIB03FW/d788a74

KarelXWB · Mon May 22, 2017 11:41 am

MSN 116 SQ #15 in the air on its first flight: https://fr24.com/AIB01GR/d78b27b

Balerit · Mon May 22, 2017 3:53 pm

Would love to see some photos of the Air Mauritius bird.

KarelXWB · Mon May 22, 2017 8:40 pm

MSN 117 OZ #2 emerged from cabin fit.

Msn117 22/5/2017 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr

747d10 · Mon May 22, 2017 8:45 pm

Any word on the first test flight for MSN #115 (Delta's first ship)? I can find the frame on FR24 (F-WZGP). It shows latitude, longitude, squawk, and other data. Many thanks!

KarelXWB · Mon May 22, 2017 8:49 pm

Balerit wrote:
Would love to see some photos of the Air Mauritius bird.

There is not much to see right now, the tail fin of MSN 145 is unpainted anyway.

MD80MKE · Mon May 22, 2017 8:50 pm

MSN 105 (CI #6) got her final registration applied. Will fly home in the coming days.

hkcanadaexpat · Tue May 23, 2017 2:35 am

MSN 113 (Finnair #10) made it to the flightline Monday evening.

MD80MKE · Tue May 23, 2017 3:06 am

hkcanadaexpat wrote:
MSN 113 (Finnair #10) made it to the flightline Monday evening.

As well as MSN 83 (QR whatever).

Cebo29 · Tue May 23, 2017 3:48 am

MSN #115 (DAL #1) awaiting first flight and unpainted........will get painted in TLS

KarelXWB · Tue May 23, 2017 6:12 am

MD80MKE wrote:
hkcanadaexpat wrote:
MSN 113 (Finnair #10) made it to the flightline Monday evening.

As well as MSN 83 (QR whatever).

MSN 122 SQ #16 (unpainted) has also moved to the flight line.

hkcanadaexpat · Tue May 23, 2017 8:27 am

MSN 101 (Cathay #15) shortly departing on its first CAF #AIB03FX

hkcanadaexpat · Tue May 23, 2017 12:45 pm

MSN 115 (Delta #1) undergoing RTO this afternoon.
Also what looks like an engine change for MSN 104 (Finnair #9) which return to the engine run bay this afternoon.
Finally MSN 83 (Qatar #18/19) is now online on the flightline for the first time.

KarelXWB · Tue May 23, 2017 12:56 pm

Additionally MSN 78 QR #18/19 emerged from paint several weeks ago. Can't be long before it moves to the flight line. Shortly QR will have 5 A350s ready for delivery (MSN 69, 76, 63, 83 and 78).

gloom · Tue May 23, 2017 1:32 pm

It definitely looks like delay was caused by QR - once they defined new premium products, it all started to roll on Airbus side.

Cheers,
Adam

StTim · Tue May 23, 2017 1:46 pm

I guess it was caused by Qatar. I hate to think how vocal AAB would have been if it was caused by Airbus. Old U-Turn also went very quiet on dumping all the neos whilst at the same time putting pressure mostly on P&W.

Lots of politics been going on there. It is obvious they like the A350 given the short term lease of some from LATAM.

poolkeeper · Tue May 23, 2017 2:12 pm

Curios about the delay into production of MSN146 (LH#6). Is it a part that needs to be fixed or is it a planned delay?

KarelXWB · Tue May 23, 2017 2:16 pm

poolkeeper wrote:
Curios about the delay into production of MSN146 (LH#6). Is it a part that needs to be fixed or is it a planned delay?

MSN 146 will be loaded into final assembly after MSN 158. Several A350s are a little bit out of sequence, perhaps airlines reshuffled deliveries a bit.

KarelXWB · Tue May 23, 2017 4:02 pm

MSN 115 DL #1 completed a RTO today.

RTO msn115 F-WZGP 23/5/2017 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr

KarelXWB · Tue May 23, 2017 6:03 pm

MSN 69 should be heading home today:

Airbus A350 -941 69 A7-ALP Qatar Airways delivery 23may17 TLS-DOH ex F-WZGZ

KarelXWB · Tue May 23, 2017 6:44 pm

Here we go, MSN 69 QR #15 is heading home: https://fr24.com/QTR3350/d7b2d3a

Qatara340 · Tue May 23, 2017 7:01 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
Here we go, MSN 69 QR #15 is heading home: https://fr24.com/QTR3350/d7b2d3a

I wonder if it will sport the new J cabin?

poolkeeper · Tue May 23, 2017 7:15 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
poolkeeper wrote:
Curios about the delay into production of MSN146 (LH#6). Is it a part that needs to be fixed or is it a planned delay?

MSN 146 will be loaded into final assembly after MSN 158. Several A350s are a little bit out of sequence, perhaps airlines reshuffled deliveries a bit.

Thanks Karel, not long delay but looks longer now when they load a couple of frames a week into production.

berari · Tue May 23, 2017 9:10 pm

Ethiopian Airlines was betting Airbus SE’s new A350 widebody would help it lure lucrative business-class passengers away from the likes of Emirates, but nagging delivery issues are putting Africa’s largest carrier behind schedule.

The airline won’t receive 10 new planes by the end of June as planned, with some coming as late as next year, Thomas Gabreyohannes, the carrier’s director for Germany and central Europe, said in an interview. Ethiopian is counting on the A350s to increase sales of premium tickets, similar to the boost it saw after becoming the first African airline to fly Boeing Co.’s 787 long-haul Dreamliners.

“When we received the Dreamliner, our business-class traffic jumped,” Gabreyohannes said in Frankfurt. “We hope the A350 will have the same impact.”

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... rbus-delay

dodoma · Tue May 23, 2017 10:03 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
MSN 69 should be heading home today:

Airbus A350 -941 69 A7-ALP Qatar Airways delivery 23may17 TLS-DOH ex F-WZGZ

Is this the one that was delayed due to fuel tank issues? I can't find any records of it...

Geoff1947 · Tue May 23, 2017 11:14 pm

dodoma wrote:
KarelXWB wrote:
MSN 69 should be heading home today:

Airbus A350 -941 69 A7-ALP Qatar Airways delivery 23may17 TLS-DOH ex F-WZGZ

Is this the one that was delayed due to fuel tank issues? I can't find any records of it...

No that was MSN063 which should be delivered soon.

LAX772LR · Wed May 24, 2017 2:37 am

What MSN is the first A359ULR?

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