Airbus A350 Production And Delivery Thread - 2016-2017 (Part 17)

SQ22 · Sat May 28, 2016 5:12 pm

Please continue to post your updates and your discussion here:

Link to previous thread:

A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 16

bycac · Sat May 28, 2016 5:39 pm

1st A350 Cathay on delivery flight :

Cathay Pacific Airbus A350-941 cn 029 B-LRA by Clément Alloing, on Flickr

mjoelnir · Sat May 28, 2016 8:54 pm

There are now 9 A350-900 delivered this year.

rbrunner · Sat May 28, 2016 10:25 pm

That's right. And for the first time, we saw 2 delivered in one day

A388 · Sun May 29, 2016 11:48 am

The first A350 for Air Caraibes is planned for November this year, is that correct? When are Air France and KLM scheduled to receive their first A350's?

A388

StTim · Sun May 29, 2016 11:51 am

Still need to pick up the delivery pace to hit their target for the year.

hkcanadaexpat · Sun May 29, 2016 11:54 am

Quoting A388 (Reply 4):
The first A350 for Air Caraibes is planned for November this year, is that correct? When are Air France and KLM scheduled to receive their first A350's?

I'm not seeing Air Caraibes getting one until Q1-2017, probably February. AFKLM (Air France) first one in 2019.
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rbrunner · Sun May 29, 2016 12:12 pm

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 6):
I'm not seeing Air Caraibes getting one until Q1-2017, probably February

The first to be delivered to Air Caraibes could be MSN5...

hkcanadaexpat · Sun May 29, 2016 12:24 pm

Quoting rbrunner (Reply 7):
The first to be delivered to Air Caraibes could be MSN5...

No chance. MSN 5 isn't due until July 2017 at the earliest. It will be the third to Air Caraibes after MSN 82 (Feb 2017?) and MSN 91 (Apr 2017?)
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fca767 · Sun May 29, 2016 12:53 pm

Cathay Video at the hong kong hanger, I arrived in Hong Kong yesterday, I climbed a mountain today to get this shot for you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FdlxXY6yjg
I'll be climbing again hopefully to get the 9am first flight or the 4pm flight. They might do a flight before then maybe like with just staff but i have no idea if that's what airlines do, so is it worth me climbing the day after tomorrow as well (tomorrow has CB at 800 feet so i'd probably be struck by lightening lol)

seat64k · Sun May 29, 2016 3:29 pm

You might want to check their scheduled flights. I don't see it listed until 1 June for the 07:35 flight, and then 2 June for the 09:00 flight.

fca767 · Sun May 29, 2016 4:08 pm

Quoting seat64k (Reply 10):

You might want to check their scheduled flights. I don't see it listed until 1 June for the 07:35 flight, and then 2 June for the 09:00 flight.

thanks, i saw on routesonline it said manila, i'll have a look. I'm not trekking that early to the location.

KarelXWB · Sun May 29, 2016 10:12 pm

Here's that new CX business class seat that caused many headaches:

http://twitter.com/AusBT/status/737027394092040192

[Edited 2016-05-29 15:12:53]

KarelXWB · Mon May 30, 2016 8:23 am

Tom Williams (COO Airbus) today (re)confirmed A350-1000 first flight is set for September.

KarelXWB · Mon May 30, 2016 8:57 am

Airbus today gave some more updates on the A350-900ULR.

Key points:

- Composite door structure to reduce weight (incorporated from the A350-1000)
- Reinforced MLG
- Aerodynamic improvements
- Modified fuel system
- Adapted cabin & cargo layout
- MTOW 280t

http://twitter.com/AirwaysNews/status/737203744195137536

[Edited 2016-05-30 01:59:24]

PM · Mon May 30, 2016 9:02 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 14):
- Composite door structure to reduce weight (incorporated from the A350-1000)

Any reason why that won't become standard on the -900?

KarelXWB · Mon May 30, 2016 9:11 am

I suppose it could become the standard on the -900 after the introduction of the ULR.

EPA001 · Mon May 30, 2016 9:35 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 14):
Airbus today gave some more updates on the A350-900ULR.

Good to read. Thanks for the update!

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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 16):
I suppose it could become the standard on the -900 after the introduction of the ULR.

That would only be logical to do.

KarelXWB · Mon May 30, 2016 9:51 am

MSNs 25, 33, 34, 37 and 40 are all online in TLS, visible on FR24.

BobMUC · Mon May 30, 2016 10:18 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 13):
Tom Williams (COO Airbus) today (re)confirmed A350-1000 first flight is set for September.

In this tweet/on this presentation Airbus is claiming Q4, which would be at least October:

http://twitter.com/AeronewsRO/status/737207735490629632

KarelXWB · Mon May 30, 2016 10:20 am

Official target is "the end of the year / Q4" though internally Airbus aims at September.

KarelXWB · Mon May 30, 2016 11:10 am

MSN 37 engine swing at the bikini area:

First engine run msn37 FWZGF 30/5/2016 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr

[Edited 2016-05-30 05:18:05]

KarelXWB · Mon May 30, 2016 11:29 am

MSN 33 airborne on its first flight today:

http://fr24.com/AIB01GB/9de5319

First flight msn33 30/5/2016 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr

[Edited 2016-05-30 05:18:19]

Thunderboltdrgn · Mon May 30, 2016 1:48 pm

"Cathay Pacific Airways becomes new operator of the A350 XWB"

http://www.airbus.com/newsevents/new...omes-new-operator-of-the-a350-xwb/

seat64k · Mon May 30, 2016 1:52 pm

Quoting fca767 (Reply 11):
thanks, i saw on routesonline it said manila, i'll have a look. I'm not trekking that early to the location.

Apologies, I didn't mean that as criticism. Just didn't want you to climb unnecessarily

We appreciate your climbing the hill for those of us who are 30 minutes away but stuck on the job...

bycac · Tue May 31, 2016 1:30 am

MSN33 performing her go-around :

fca767 · Tue May 31, 2016 2:15 am

Quoting seat64k (Reply 24):
Apologies, I didn't mean that as criticism. Just didn't want you to climb unnecessarily We appreciate your climbing the hill for those of us who are 30 minutes away but stuck on the job...

I didn't take it as anything but the good way

I asked cathay but they haven't replied, i really thought it was 9am on 1st still, do you know for definite?

the google flights doesnt show but that's probably sold out

hkcanadaexpat · Tue May 31, 2016 2:57 am

Quoting fca767 (Reply 26):
I asked cathay but they haven't replied, i really thought it was 9am on 1st still, do you know for definite?

Tomorrow's first flight is CX 907 (HKG-MNL) leaving @ 07:35 followed by CX 906 (MNL-HKG) arriving back into HKG @ 13:15. you can see it on the CX website by attempting a booking (although the flight is full!)
Good luck spotting!
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fca767 · Tue May 31, 2016 3:48 am

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 27):
Tomorrow's first flight is CX 907 (HKG-MNL) leaving @ 07:35 followed by CX 906 (MNL-HKG) arriving back into HKG @ 13:15. you can see it on the CX website by attempting a booking (although the flight is full!)
Good luck spotting!

Thanks very much, yeah i don't think i'll get that flight recorded then. Maybe the 2nd one? same day? I remember they're going to be doing Taipei at 4pm but someone said the 2nd of june for the next flight. Or i'll just get it landing back from MNL

hkcanadaexpat · Tue May 31, 2016 4:08 am

Quoting fca767 (Reply 28):
Maybe the 2nd one? same day? I remember they're going to be doing Taipei at 4pm but someone said the 2nd of june for the next flight

CX 400 (HKG-TPE) on June 1st is also A359 (departure @ 16:15).
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fca767 · Tue May 31, 2016 4:46 am

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 29):
CX 400 (HKG-TPE) on June 1st is also A359 (departure @ 16:15).
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Thanks, I'll get stocked up on drinks for the heat

Someone83 · Tue May 31, 2016 6:24 am

MSN49, China Airlines £1, has emerged from paint

https://www.flickr.com/photos/jujug/27270382922/

kaichinshih · Tue May 31, 2016 6:41 am

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 31):

Stunner!!!!
BTW sources from China Airlines are saying that first 4 CI A350 delivery may be delayed till September. First commercial service will be October the earliest.
Not sure if this is yet another Zodiac problem. CI PY seats are made by Zodiac. The Y seats and lavatories may also be manufactured by Zodiac (not sure).

[Edited 2016-05-30 23:51:11]

KarelXWB · Tue May 31, 2016 7:50 am

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 31):
China Airlines £1

Didn't know the A350 was that cheap

KarelXWB · Tue May 31, 2016 7:59 am

The A350 will see further improvements from 2020.

- Fuel burn -2%
- Range +500nm
- Payload +5t

http://twitter.com/AirwaysNews/status/737547688086929408

[Edited 2016-05-31 01:17:48]

VHOGU · Tue May 31, 2016 9:31 am

Is it an option to order this aircraft without the black around the cockpit windows?

lutfi · Tue May 31, 2016 9:49 am

Quoting VHOGU (Reply 35):
Is it an option to order this aircraft without the black around the cockpit windows?

No. At least, I don't think so.

EPA001 · Tue May 31, 2016 10:50 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 34):
The A350 will see further improvements from 2020.

- Fuel burn -2%
- Range +500nm
- Payload +5t

Those are impressive near future developments for this already very capable aircraft.

Thunderboltdrgn · Tue May 31, 2016 11:01 am

Some comments from Fabrice about the A350 cabin suppliers issues:

http://twitter.com/rupaharia/status/737598773296168960
"Bregier on A350 cabin supplier issues: "You expect to have toilets with doors that close"

http://twitter.com/FG_STrim/status/737598994621177856
"Airbus CEO Fabrice Bregier: "I was pissed off." Regarding supplier shortages for seats and
lavatories slowing A350 ramp-up. #AirbusID16".

[Edited 2016-05-31 04:02:50]

zkojq · Tue May 31, 2016 11:08 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 34):
The A350 will see further improvements from 2020.

That incremental development seems a lot like what Airbus have done with the A330. It would be fascinating to know how capable a 2036 build A350 will be after ~ 20 years on continuous development. I wonder how much they'll be able to reduce the DOW by?

fca767 · Tue May 31, 2016 1:06 pm

Quoting kaichinshih (Reply 32):
BTW sources from China Airlines are saying that first 4 CI A350 delivery may be delayed till September. First commercial service will be October the earliest.
Not sure if this is yet another Zodiac problem. CI PY seats are made by Zodiac. The Y seats and lavatories may also be manufactured by Zodiac (not sure).

Could you explain more? Yesterday they helped me change to a later date of august 11th because that's when the new date would be for the first flight to hong kong.
They said it was delayed from 1st august.
And the google flights also now shows 11th august

KarelXWB · Tue May 31, 2016 2:08 pm

MSN 50 TG #2 emerged from paint.

Flightline 31/5/2016 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr

osteogenesis · Tue May 31, 2016 2:26 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 35):

The A350 will see further improvements from 2020.

- Fuel burn -2%
- Range +500nm
- Payload +5t

If they achieve the same improvements over the next 5 years for the A350-1000 then the 777-9 will have an extremely difficult time in the market.

[Edited 2016-05-31 07:26:49]

[Edited 2016-05-31 07:28:03]

KarelXWB · Tue May 31, 2016 3:38 pm

MSN 40 ET #1 first engine run today:

http://fr24.com/AIB40ER1/9e16d1f

StTim · Tue May 31, 2016 8:33 pm

Quoting osteogenesis (Reply 42):
If they achieve the same improvements over the next 5 years for the A350-1000 then the 777-9 will have an extremely difficult time in the market.

It is certainly going to be one hell of a competitor to it. No free ride for the 777-9. I suspect the 777 will not make the sort of margin it has done in the past. I hope Boeing has saved these profits to invest in the next products...

hkcanadaexpat · Wed Jun 01, 2016 10:20 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 43):
MSN 40 ET #1 first engine run today: http://fr24.com/AIB40ER1/9e16d1f

Didn't happen yesterday (May 31) but is happening right now (June 1)!
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Miami · Wed Jun 01, 2016 10:54 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 43):

Pretty fast if you ask me. Rollout was recently and now they're doing the first engine run.

hkcanadaexpat · Wed Jun 01, 2016 11:17 am

Quoting Miami (Reply 46):
Pretty fast if you ask me. Rollout was recently and now they're doing the first engine run.

Actually right on schedule! Its the delayed ones around it that make it look like its been going on fast. The best way to monitor "scheduled" speed of A359 production cycle is to look at the Singapore/LATAM/Ethiopian/Thai frames. MSN 31/35 recently delivered. MSN 37/40 in pre-flight testing. MSN 41/44/45/48 in cabin/engine outfitting. Those are going through the steps with little, if any, hiccups. On the other hand the Qatar/Finnair/Cathay frames are all over the place due to various issues (mostly furnishings).
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fca767 · Wed Jun 01, 2016 11:46 am

I got the Cathay filmed from the mountain, I'm now sun burnt because that umbrella didn't do its job properly

I'll upload as soon as I get back to the hostel
Www.YouTube.com/directorphilip2

zkojq · Wed Jun 01, 2016 1:39 pm

Worldwide A350 Fleet as of (2016-06-01)

Quoting osteogenesis (Reply 42):
If they achieve the same improvements over the next 5 years for the A350-1000 then the 777-9 will have an extremely difficult time in the market.

I think the 777-9 is somewhat already. Whilst it has more orders than the A350-1000, they only come from five customers. Will certainly be interesting to see how this plays out.

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