Airbus A350 Production And Delivery Thread - 2016-2017 (Part 17)

audidudi · Mon Dec 11, 2017 5:36 pm

BobMUC wrote:
777Mech wrote:
DL #5 should deliver to ATL tomorrow (12/12) in time for an investor's day walkthrough.

At least it's online with it's final registration:
https://www.flightradar24.com/DAL007/fcc7fd6

Confirmed on FlightAware also:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL9975

KarelXWB · Mon Dec 11, 2017 5:57 pm

hkcanadaexpat wrote:
MSN 132 (QR#21) out on a third test flight #AIB03FL

Actually that was the 4th flight if we include the photo flight.

KarelXWB · Mon Dec 11, 2017 5:58 pm

LAX772LR wrote:
Eyad89 wrote:
Is it only me, or does anyone else have a hard time telling A359 and A35K apart?

I had to stare at the photo for like 5 seconds to realize they are not 2 A359s.

Not sure how, considering that one look at the gear can easily differentiate the two of them.

Perhaps the following illustration helps:

A350-900 & -1000 Qatar Poster by Stephane Beilliard, on Flickr

VirginFlyer · Mon Dec 11, 2017 6:01 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
LAX772LR wrote:
Eyad89 wrote:
Is it only me, or does anyone else have a hard time telling A359 and A35K apart?

I had to stare at the photo for like 5 seconds to realize they are not 2 A359s.

Not sure how, considering that one look at the gear can easily differentiate the two of them.

Perhaps the following illustration helps:

A350-900 & -1000 Qatar Poster by Stephane Beilliard, on Flickr

I think the biggest giveaway if you're looking at one and don't have anything to compare it to is the positioning of the Qatar titles relative to door 2. On the -900, door 2 is between the A and the R, while on the -1000 door 2 is after the R.

V/F

KarelXWB · Tue Dec 12, 2017 8:43 am

MSN 165 MH #2 got a special sticker applied:

A350 Malaysia Airlines 9M-MAC Negaraku msn165 F-WZHE by theo franchi, on Flickr

KarelXWB · Tue Dec 12, 2017 12:26 pm

MSN 164 DL #5 is heading home:

https://fr24.com/DAL9975/fcf34ab

KarelXWB · Tue Dec 12, 2017 2:59 pm

MSN 78 QR #20 needs a 2nd CAF: https://fr24.com/AIB07NG/fcf9d43

SamYeager2016 · Tue Dec 12, 2017 3:01 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
LAX772LR wrote:
Eyad89 wrote:
Is it only me, or does anyone else have a hard time telling A359 and A35K apart?

I had to stare at the photo for like 5 seconds to realize they are not 2 A359s.

Not sure how, considering that one look at the gear can easily differentiate the two of them.

Perhaps the following illustration helps:

A350-900 & -1000 Qatar Poster by Stephane Beilliard, on Flickr

Seems to me that the easiest way to tell the difference is the group of three windows, one of which appears to be blanked out, after door 2 and then a gap before the windows start again.

DWC · Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:00 pm

SamYeager2016 wrote:
Seems to me that the easiest way to tell the difference is the group of three windows, one of which appears to be blanked out, after door 2 and then a gap before the windows start again.

Actually the A35K has "QATAR" clearly framed between doors 1 & 2
For other airlines, you'll spot them with time

bgm · Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:02 pm

The -1000 also has triple bogie landing gear, whereas the -900 only has double.

KarelXWB · Tue Dec 12, 2017 5:02 pm

bgm wrote:
The -1000 also has triple bogie landing gear, whereas the -900 only has double.

True, unless one spots the aircraft in the air and the landing gear is retracted.

KarelXWB · Tue Dec 12, 2017 5:05 pm

MSN 170 SQ #20 second flight today: https://fr24.com/AIB02HH/fcf8183

And a third flight for MSN 165 MH #2: https://fr24.com/AIB03HE/fcfe7dc

KarelXWB · Tue Dec 12, 2017 6:45 pm

MSN 167 CA #1 emerged from paint and undergoes some outstanding work:

Msn167 F-WZHG 12/12/2017 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr

BobMUC · Tue Dec 12, 2017 7:14 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
MSN 167 CA #1 emerged from paint and undergoes some outstanding work:

Msn167 F-WZHG 12/12/2017 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr

With all it covers and seals at the doors, it looks like long time storage... any reason for that or was it this way all the time during reworks?

KarelXWB · Wed Dec 13, 2017 10:24 am

MSN 177 TG #8 has rolled out from paint.

Msn177 F-WZGC 12/12/2017 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr

Blotto · Wed Dec 13, 2017 10:56 am

SamYeager2016 wrote:
Seems to me that the easiest way to tell the difference is the group of three windows, one of which appears to be blanked out, after door 2 and then a gap before the windows start again.

You may use the position of the antennas. 359 has a pretty small distance between the Sat antenna in the back and the (I assume) VHF antenna right over the 3rd door. On the 35K the distance between the antennas is way bigger and the VHF antenna is not directly over the 3rd door.

Eyad89 · Wed Dec 13, 2017 11:15 am

BobMUC wrote:
KarelXWB wrote:
MSN 167 CA #1 emerged from paint and undergoes some outstanding work:

Msn167 F-WZHG 12/12/2017 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr

With all it covers and seals at the doors, it looks like long time storage... any reason for that or was it this way all the time during reworks?

It's because it had just been painted. If it was to be stored for a long time, then they would not have installed the engines I guess.

KarelXWB · Wed Dec 13, 2017 12:15 pm

BobMUC wrote:
With all it covers and seals at the doors, it looks like long time storage... any reason for that or was it this way all the time during reworks?

Long term storage would look different. I have seen that kind of seals before, even on aircraft that had been parked for several weeks.

MSN 167 CA #1 is probably due for delivery in February next year.

StTim · Wed Dec 13, 2017 1:01 pm

They look like quite quick seals compared to those for long term storage. I also agree this is not long term as the engines are hanging under the wing.

kaichinshih · Thu Dec 14, 2017 8:03 am

More pictures of CA #1

BobMUC · Thu Dec 14, 2017 9:36 am

KarelXWB wrote:
MSN 78 QR #20 needs a 2nd CAF: https://fr24.com/AIB07NG/fcf9d43

It looks like it was successful. Visible with final registration:
https://www.flightradar24.com/QTR78/fd478bc

hkcanadaexpat · Thu Dec 14, 2017 11:37 am

MSN 165 (MH#2) is now at the delivery centre.

KarelXWB · Thu Dec 14, 2017 2:19 pm

MSN 88 QR #22 second flight today: https://fr24.com/AIB02NR/fd50c80

MSN 132 QR #21 had a fifth flight yesterday (AIB05FL) and MSN 174 DL #7 is currently having an engine run.

hkcanadaexpat · Thu Dec 14, 2017 2:25 pm

MSN 181 (TG) is visible on the flightline

KarelXWB · Thu Dec 14, 2017 3:05 pm

Third flight for MSN 170 SQ #20: https://fr24.com/AIB03HH/fd52a59

BOAC1966 · Thu Dec 14, 2017 5:58 pm

MKE flight testing of -1000 with XL seems very slow with very little flying over last seven days. Anyone with updates?

BOAC1966 · Thu Dec 14, 2017 10:28 pm

AIB352 F-WWXL looks as if returning tonight from MKE

AngMoh · Thu Dec 14, 2017 11:50 pm

BOAC1966 wrote:
MKE flight testing of -1000 with XL seems very slow with very little flying over last seven days. Anyone with updates?

The problem with cold weather testing is that you spend a lot of time with cold soak and then very little time testing as everything will warm up quickly while testing and then you no longer have the conditions you are looking for.

Stitch · Fri Dec 15, 2017 12:58 am

AngMoh wrote:
BOAC1966 wrote:
MKE flight testing of -1000 with XL seems very slow with very little flying over last seven days. Anyone with updates?

The problem with cold weather testing is that you spend a lot of time with cold soak and then very little time testing as everything will warm up quickly while testing and then you no longer have the conditions you are looking for.

I wonder if Boeing's use of facilities that can maintain a specific temperature allows for more consistent / constant testing than having to rely on open-air.

Tedd · Fri Dec 15, 2017 1:03 am

Stitch wrote:
AngMoh wrote:
BOAC1966 wrote:
MKE flight testing of -1000 with XL seems very slow with very little flying over last seven days. Anyone with updates?

The problem with cold weather testing is that you spend a lot of time with cold soak and then very little time testing as everything will warm up quickly while testing and then you no longer have the conditions you are looking for.

I wonder if Boeing's use of facilities that can maintain a specific temperature allows for more consistent / constant testing than having to rely on open-air.

Correct me if I`m wrong, but didn`t the -900 end up in such a facility?

Stitch · Fri Dec 15, 2017 1:05 am

Tedd wrote:
Correct me if I`m wrong, but didn`t the -900 end up in such a facility?

Looking at Airbus press releases, both the A350-900 and A350-1000 appear to have done their cold weather testing outside at Iqaluit, Canada.

enzo011 · Fri Dec 15, 2017 7:43 am

Stitch wrote:
Tedd wrote:
Correct me if I`m wrong, but didn`t the -900 end up in such a facility?

Looking at Airbus press releases, both the A350-900 and A350-1000 appear to have done their cold weather testing outside at Iqaluit, Canada.

They did testing in Florida as well for the A359 in addition to the tests in Canada.

A350 XWB at McKinley Climatic Lab in Florida for more extreme weather tests

hkcanadaexpat · Fri Dec 15, 2017 7:56 am

MSN 179 (CI #11) conducting initial engine run this morning.

hkcanadaexpat · Fri Dec 15, 2017 9:09 am

MSN 165 (MH#2) departing on its first CAF #AIB04HE

KarelXWB · Fri Dec 15, 2017 9:56 am

Stitch wrote:
Tedd wrote:
Correct me if I`m wrong, but didn`t the -900 end up in such a facility?

Looking at Airbus press releases, both the A350-900 and A350-1000 appear to have done their cold weather testing outside at Iqaluit, Canada.

Yes, but Iqaluit was all about outside testing. The A350 also underwent cold weather testing in the McKinley Climatic Lab at Eglin Air Force base in Florida.

Tedd · Fri Dec 15, 2017 11:14 am

Enzo & Karel, thanks for confirming what I had remembered very vaguely re cold weather testing
facility for A359..........I wasn`t imagining it!

BOAC1966 · Fri Dec 15, 2017 11:39 am

Cold testing re -1000 .....hence why I am puzzled as to why this weeks trip to MKE. Most of the test flying was at low level ....FL10 .....suggesting possible icing tests rather than mere static system tests. MKE has been not that cold but offered plenty of snow over the week.

As yet the EASA clearance still has no all westher capability specified and the cross wind restrictions also seem outstanding ...,although someone has said they are finding it difficult to find an airfield giving the right conditions. Along with ETOPS clearance for new engine I am sure Qatar abd CX will want all these possible issues to be resolved before EIS. Finally interesting that no “world tour” undertaken ...all very low key but it is seen as a variant.

I wonder where the new AB senior team will take the 300 family next especially 380/350 and 330 .....rationalisation?

KarelXWB · Fri Dec 15, 2017 3:23 pm

MSN 132 QR #21 is performing its 6th flight: https://fr24.com/AIB06FL/fd7f24c

hkcanadaexpat · Sat Dec 16, 2017 1:56 pm

MSN 175 (DL#6) departing on its first CAF #AIB04HJ

hkcanadaexpat · Mon Dec 18, 2017 12:34 pm

MSN 170 (SQ#20) is at the delivery centre this afternoon and lining up for its first CAF #AIB04HH.

KarelXWB · Mon Dec 18, 2017 1:42 pm

MSN 78 QR #20 is ready for its delivery flight to DOH:

https://fr24.com/QTR3350/fdf0eaf

BobMUC · Mon Dec 18, 2017 3:35 pm

Haven't seen this posted. A new video from Qatars formation flight:
https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/942357620287033350

hkcanadaexpat · Tue Dec 19, 2017 3:39 am

MSN 176 (OZ#4) now at the delivery centre.

jubguy3 · Tue Dec 19, 2017 3:42 am

KarelXWB wrote:
Stitch wrote:
Tedd wrote:
Correct me if I`m wrong, but didn`t the -900 end up in such a facility?

Looking at Airbus press releases, both the A350-900 and A350-1000 appear to have done their cold weather testing outside at Iqaluit, Canada.

Yes, but Iqaluit was all about outside testing. The A350 also underwent cold weather testing in the McKinley Climatic Lab at Eglin Air Force base in Florida.

Florida does not seem like the most efficient place to have to do cold weather testing indoors... I bet they handed airbus a giant bill afterwards :rotfl:

LoganTheBogan · Tue Dec 19, 2017 4:42 am

Well the place blew up so not sure how useful it is now.
http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/12 ... s-blown-up

enzo011 · Tue Dec 19, 2017 9:05 am

LoganTheBogan wrote:
Well the place blew up so not sure how useful it is now.
http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/12 ... s-blown-up

That is interesting, although that is the only story I can find where the lab has blown up. There is another story that a building next to the lab had the incident.

Explosion, Fire at Eglin Air Force Base Test Center

A support building next to the lab exploded and burned, sending a plume of toxic smoke into the air and closing Eglin Air Force Base.

So is there more news about what happened and what damage was caused?

LoganTheBogan · Tue Dec 19, 2017 9:16 am

enzo011 wrote:
LoganTheBogan wrote:
Well the place blew up so not sure how useful it is now.
http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/12 ... s-blown-up

That is interesting, although that is the only story I can find where the lab has blown up. There is another story that a building next to the lab had the incident.

Explosion, Fire at Eglin Air Force Base Test Center

A support building next to the lab exploded and burned, sending a plume of toxic smoke into the air and closing Eglin Air Force Base.

So is there more news about what happened and what damage was caused?

That's what I'm curious about. Haven't heard much since.

BOAC1966 · Tue Dec 19, 2017 9:36 am

All rather sluggish with -1000 ....odd test flight ...first QR frame NR only two test flights .....EIS looking late January or early February? Possibly end of year focus and priority is hitting -900 delivery target and clearing backlog on A320neos?

hkcanadaexpat · Tue Dec 19, 2017 9:41 am

MSN 180 (ET#7) visible on the flightline this morning.
And a third test flight for MSN 173 (VN#10) #AIB03HK

hkcanadaexpat · Tue Dec 19, 2017 10:13 am

MSN 176 (OZ#4) departing on its first CAF #AIB02FU

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