Airbus A350 Production And Delivery Thread - 2016-2017 (Part 17)

KarelXWB · Mon Jun 06, 2016 1:53 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 93):
Not sure yet if MSN 36 is fully ready, last week it was seen with a missing parts.

Close-up photo shows that it still misses a winglet.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/aircrafts/27399785861/

Richards2K14 · Mon Jun 06, 2016 2:33 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 93):
Not sure yet if MSN 36 is fully ready, last week it was seen with a missing parts.

I'm not sure if this is the aircraft I saw in the Paint hanger today? Anyway, it's no moving anytime soon, engine run end of the month.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 95):
Thai Airways expects its first A350 in August.

Can see this around the corner from my office, on the Flightline.

Quoting BOAC1966 (Reply 99):
Any updates on the RR powerplants for -1000? F-WWOW not been active for several weeks after an intensive period of flights. Assume all going well as Airbus indicating first flight late September onwards.

I haven't seen MSN1 for a while, last seen about 2 weeks ago in the maintence hanger.

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 98):
MSN 28 (Finnair #6) taxing for a first test flight since completing cabin installation. Should be last flight test before moving to the delivery centre later this week.

Yes, delivery due within the next 2-3 weeks.

rbrunner · Mon Jun 06, 2016 2:47 pm

Quoting Richards2K14 (Reply 101):
Can see this around the corner from my office, on the Flightline.

Lucky you

mat66 · Mon Jun 06, 2016 7:31 pm

Airbus keeps the first A359 for testing, donates one to a museum and will sell the other three. Is it already known what will happen to the three A3510 test frames? If already sold, to whom? Would it make sense to keep one to test for the -2000 if/when launched?

rbrunner · Mon Jun 06, 2016 8:12 pm

Quoting mat66 (Reply 103):
Would it make sense to keep one to test for the -2000 if/when launched?

IMHO it would. They kept the prototypes of A343, A345 and A346.

mat66 · Mon Jun 06, 2016 9:25 pm

Quoting rbrunner (Reply 104):
IMHO it would. They kept the prototypes of A343, A345 and A346.

Thanks, didn't know about the A345 and A346. To keep one of them was obvious, not both.

N14AZ · Tue Jun 07, 2016 6:36 am

Quoting rbrunner (Reply 104):
They kept the prototypes of A343, A345 and A346.

I cannot remember that they kept the A345. A346 yes, it's currently stored in Tarbes, as far as I know.

KarelXWB · Tue Jun 07, 2016 8:11 am

The A343 prototype is currently used for the Clean Sky 2 project, the A346 prototype was stored in Tarbes between March 2014 and March 216 and is currently being worked on in TLS.

Richards2K14 · Tue Jun 07, 2016 9:24 am

Quoting mat66 (Reply 103):
Is it already known what will happen to the three A3510 test frames? If already sold, to whom? Would it make sense to keep one to test for the -2000 if/when launched?

MSN1 is likley to be kept as a testframe and performed a quick flight yesterday.
MSN2 is around Toulouse somewhere and makes the airshow visits usually, so Farnbrough coming up maybe?
MSN3 is engineless in Toulouse, so unsure at the moment, but likley refurb.
MSN4 is stored in Tarbes (I think)?
MSN5 Refurb and engineless at the moment in Toulouse.

Quoting rbrunner (Reply 104):
They kept the prototypes of A343, A345 and A346.

I do not know of an A345 test frame being kept, but A343 (Tarbes) & A346 (TLS) are in still alive and well.

hkcanadaexpat · Tue Jun 07, 2016 9:57 am

MSN 40 (Ethiopian #1) just completed its RTO. First flight imminent.
A

starbucks · Tue Jun 07, 2016 9:58 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 107):
the A346 prototype was stored in Tarbes between March 2014 and March 216 and is currently being worked on in TLS

Quoting Richards2K14 (Reply 108):
A346 (TLS) are in still alive and well.

Ferried back to LDE on May 31st

KarelXWB · Tue Jun 07, 2016 12:34 pm

MSN 40 RTO today.

RTO msn40 7/6/2016 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr

bigsmile · Tue Jun 07, 2016 12:50 pm

The original A359 test Aircraft, only 1 will kept as a flying testbed.

MSN001 - To be kept by Airbus for test and development.
MSN002 - Kept for a certain period by Airbus, to be sold on at later date.
MSN003 - Going to the Museum.
MSN004 - To be sold.
MSN005 - Refurb will start on this Aircraft Q4 2016.

The -1000 test Aircraft.
MSN059 - To be kept
MSN065 - To be Sold
MSN071 - To be Sold.

With regards to the current A340 test Aircraft.
A343 - Currently in Tarbes being converted for the Cleansky BLADE Project.
A346 - Penciled in for Future Cleansky Projects.

KarelXWB · Tue Jun 07, 2016 1:31 pm

Quoting bigsmile (Reply 112):
MSN001 - To be kept by Airbus for test and development.

Speaking of which, MSN 1 has just received a trailing cone.

AIB443WB 7/6/2016 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr

KarelXWB · Tue Jun 07, 2016 2:15 pm

And MSN 34 too just completed its RTO.

rbrunner · Tue Jun 07, 2016 2:59 pm

So we could see two first flights tomorrow: MSN 34 & 40.

BobMUC · Tue Jun 07, 2016 3:41 pm

Which is the next new livery for the A350 we haven't seen fully painted yet?

If I look into the production list (http://sites.google.com/site/a350xwbproduction/production-list), I would say it should be Lufthansa (MSN74, future D-AIXA). Any idea when?
The SriLankan Airlines frames will not be painted any more.

KarelXWB · Tue Jun 07, 2016 5:22 pm

Quoting BobMUC (Reply 116):
The SriLankan Airlines frames will not be painted any more.

Yes they will, just wait for it

ap305 · Tue Jun 07, 2016 5:25 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 117):
Yes they will, just wait for it

Just in a different livery i guess.....

Devilfish · Tue Jun 07, 2016 6:10 pm

Quoting ap305 (Reply 118):
Just in a different livery i guess.....

I don't suppose we'd see PR's 'sunriser' on those, would we? .....

speedbored · Tue Jun 07, 2016 7:12 pm

Quoting ap305 (Reply 118):
Just in a different livery i guess....

I believe they only cancelled half of their order. The 4 already being built should be completed and delivered as planned.

Including paint, I presume

It shouldn't be funny given the jobs at stake but it's hard not to laugh at the reason why things went pear-shaped at Sri Lankan:
http://www.arabnews.com/economy/news/915891

[Edited 2016-06-07 12:19:25]

hkcanadaexpat · Wed Jun 08, 2016 3:20 am

Three interesting points from the May 2016 Airbus O&D update:
> Cancellation of the 2x A359s on order for AWAS
> Philippines Airlines order for 6x A359s has finally been added to the books
> 1st CX delivery was actually from the Aercap book not the CX book. As far as i know CX had 2x A359s on order through Aercap.
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sutrakhk · Wed Jun 08, 2016 6:30 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 117):
Yes they will, just wait for it

Livery with White, Red and Yellow~?

KarelXWB · Wed Jun 08, 2016 7:33 am

MSN 62 seems to have moved from P18 to the parking lot in front of the L70 building.

Msn62 7/6/2016 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr

KarelXWB · Wed Jun 08, 2016 7:35 am

Delivery of MSN 49 CI #1 seems to be scheduled for September.

http://twitter.com/tohmavis/status/740429285878599680

[Edited 2016-06-08 00:51:05]

poolkeeper · Wed Jun 08, 2016 7:47 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 124):
Delivery of MSN 49 CX #1

Got confused for a moment... CI #1, right?

KarelXWB · Wed Jun 08, 2016 7:51 am

Indeed. Fixed, thanks

hkcanadaexpat · Wed Jun 08, 2016 9:17 am

MSN 34 (Cathay #2) taxing for maiden flight. MSN 40 (Ethiopian #1) should follow shortly after.
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Thunderboltdrgn · Wed Jun 08, 2016 9:42 am

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 127):
MSN 34 (Cathay #2) taxing for maiden flight. MSN 40 (Ethiopian #1) should follow shortly after.

MSN34: http://www.flightradar24.com/AIB01GC/9f53a8e
MSN40: http://www.flightradar24.com/AIB40RX/9f536da

starbucks · Wed Jun 08, 2016 10:31 am

MSN40 now preparing for FF:

www.fr24.com/AIB01GM

Miami · Wed Jun 08, 2016 10:51 am

Quoting starbucks (Reply 129):
MSN40 now preparing for FF:

Airborne.

enzo011 · Wed Jun 08, 2016 10:52 am

Thank you everyone who contribute to the thread. It really is great to read all the updates and see what is happening with the A350. I am sure like many I cannot wait to see the A35K finally painted and with its engines and then completing its flight testing.

Just a question, is there a way to identify the MSN number when looking at flights for production models on FR24?

BobMUC · Wed Jun 08, 2016 10:59 am

Quoting enzo011 (Reply 131):
Just a question, is there a way to identify the MSN number when looking at flights for production models on FR24?

Not on FR I think. You have to compare the flight-# with the production list and the included test registration:
http://sites.google.com/site/a350xwbproduction/production-list

eg: AIB01GC -> F-WZGC -> MSN34

bycac · Wed Jun 08, 2016 11:31 am

AIB01GC and AIB01GM this morning :

Ethiopian Airlines Airbus A350-941 cn 040 F-WZGM // ET-ATQ by Clément Alloing, sur Flickr

Cathay Pacific Airbus A350-941 cn 034 F-WZGC // B-LRC by Clément Alloing, sur Flickr

KarelXWB · Wed Jun 08, 2016 12:29 pm

MSN 40 first flight today.

Ethiopian A350XWB by Rami Khanna-Prade, on Flickr

Richards2K14 · Wed Jun 08, 2016 2:21 pm

Any movement on MSN21? TAC is meant to be taking place on 16th June.

KarelXWB · Wed Jun 08, 2016 2:24 pm

MSN 64 JJ #6 has just been moved from P18 to the A380 site.

Msn64 8/6/2016 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr

enzo011 · Wed Jun 08, 2016 6:58 pm

Quoting BobMUC (Reply 132):
Not on FR I think. You have to compare the flight-# with the production list and the included test registration:
http://sites.google.com/site/a350xwbproduction/production-list

eg: AIB01GC -> F-WZGC -> MSN34

Thanks, so a little work, or just be lazy and see the updates on this thread...

ReinerS · Wed Jun 08, 2016 8:02 pm

Quoting StTim (Reply 85):
This one is kept updated.

Thank you!

bycac · Wed Jun 08, 2016 8:17 pm

AIB01GM on go-aorund

Ethiopian Airlines Airbus A350-941 cn 040 F-WZGM // ET-ATQ by Clément Alloing, sur Flickr

ETinCaribe · Wed Jun 08, 2016 8:29 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 134):
MSN 40 first flight today.

MSN 40 first flight today.

Ethiopian A350XWB by Rami Khanna-Prade, on Flickr

Quoting bycac (Reply 139):
AIB01GM on go-aorund

Ethiopian Airlines Airbus A350-941 cn 040 F-WZGM // ET-ATQ by Clément Alloing, sur Flickr

Great photos, thanks for sharing. Looking forward to its EIS in a few weeks.

Aircellist · Wed Jun 08, 2016 9:55 pm

Rough calculation from Starbuck's spreadsheet. Average time from first flight to delivery, up to now, is about 8 weeks for QR, 5 weeks for VN, 10 weeks for AY (was much quicker with batch 2 planes, batch 3 planes took more than three months), and not quite a month for JJ and SQ. MSN 21, 25 and 28 are not (yet) part of that calculation.

There are 24 delivered planes, 7 in production testing, one waiting for its first flight, 9 undergoing cabin fit, 5 on parking stands (including the "final customer unclear" 3, previously slated for UL), 2 not clearly located, 8 are in rework (including MSN 5), one is being painted, 3 are undergoing outdoor tests after FAL, and there are 4 each in stations 30 and 40, and 2 each in stations 50 and 59.

How is the seat and lavatory situation evolving, now?

trex8 · Wed Jun 08, 2016 10:24 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 124):

Delivery of MSN 49 CI #1 seems to be scheduled for September.

http://twitter.com/tohmavis/status/7...99680

They only changed the schedule for first flights on May 25 to mid august

http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/...s-a350-service-to-mid-august-2016/

kaichinshih · Wed Jun 08, 2016 11:36 pm

Quoting trex8 (Reply 142):

Further changes incoming, per my reply a week ago

Quoting kaichinshih (Reply 32):
sources from China Airlines are saying that first 4 CI A350 delivery may be delayed till September. First commercial service will be October the earliest.

Richards2K14 · Thu Jun 09, 2016 6:46 am

Latest update I have:

FF:
MSN41 20th June.
MSN32 27th June.
MSN44 4th July.
MSN36 5th July.
MSN39 6th July.

Handover to Delivery Centre:
MSN28 13th June.
MSN33 14th June.
MSN37 15th June.
MSN40 16th June.
MSN34 4th July.
MSN41 6th July.

TAC:
MSN21 15th June.
MSNs28 & 37 23rd June.
MSN40 27th June.
MSN25 29th June.
MSN33 30th June.

Meanwhile, MSN59 (-1000) still at P18 but should soon be moving to L33.
MSN65 (2nd -1000) I spotted in Station 30 today where it will remain until early August and then move to P18.

KarelXWB · Thu Jun 09, 2016 8:17 am

Quoting Richards2K14 (Reply 144):
Handover to Delivery Centre:
MSN28 13th June.
MSN33 14th June.
MSN37 15th June.
MSN40 16th June.
MSN34 4th July.
MSN41 6th July.

Did MSN25 already move to the delivery center?

Someone83 · Thu Jun 09, 2016 8:37 am

Quoting Richards2K14 (Reply 144):
MSN39 6th July

Has MSN39 (CX #5) overtaken MSN38 (CX #4)?

KarelXWB · Thu Jun 09, 2016 9:04 am

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 146):
Has MSN39 (CX #5) overtaken MSN38 (CX #4)?

It was painted before MSN 38 and AFAIK entered S20 before MSN 38 too.

hkcanadaexpat · Thu Jun 09, 2016 9:39 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 145):
Did MSN25 already move to the delivery center?

No its currently online at the flightline.
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Richards2K14 · Thu Jun 09, 2016 10:51 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 145):
Did MSN25 already move to the delivery center?

No, apologies, still on the Flightline, TAC now mid July. As it's a QR aircraft, we can only assume...

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 146):
Has MSN39 (CX #5) overtaken MSN38 (CX #4)?

It appears so, there's about a month in between their deliveries, with MSN39 ahead of MSN38.

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