Airbus A350 Production And Delivery Thread - 2016-2017 (Part 17)

KarelXWB · Mon Sep 11, 2017 10:15 am

Another sharp angle of MSN 157 MK #2:

Uploaded by Jujug Spotting‏ https://twitter.com/Frenchpainter/statu ... 3160340480

KarelXWB · Mon Sep 11, 2017 10:38 am

SteinarN wrote:
Sounds reasonable. I notice MSN 161, 163 and 172 for Quatar have still not entered final assembly. MSN 180 is the latest to enter final assembly acording to A350 production list on Google.

MSN 163 is now entering final assembly. MSN 172 will follow quickly behind MSN 184, and MSN 161 is behind MSN 185.

hkcanadaexpat · Mon Sep 11, 2017 12:46 pm

Second test flight for MSN 144 (OZ #3) #AIB02NJ.
Also looks like an engine change to MSN 78 (QR #19) which underwent an engine run in the pit.

KarelXWB · Mon Sep 11, 2017 1:58 pm

MSN 148 CX #20 has arrived at XFW for paint:

A350 Cathay Pacific B-LRU by Tobias Gudat, on Flickr

KarelXWB · Mon Sep 11, 2017 7:41 pm

MSN 154 CX #21 has rolled out from cabin fit.

Msn154 11/9/2017 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr

KarelXWB · Tue Sep 12, 2017 7:46 am

MSN 133 SQ #17 delivery flight to SIN:

https://fr24.com/SIA8895/ed2c8c3

KarelXWB · Tue Sep 12, 2017 8:09 am

MSN 83 QR #17 has joined MSN 76 QR #16 at the delivery centre.

StTim · Tue Sep 12, 2017 8:13 am

Yes but MSN 76 QR #16 has been there for ages - or so it seems.

KarelXWB · Tue Sep 12, 2017 2:00 pm

MSN 134 AY #11 has moved to the delivery centre.

KarelXWB · Tue Sep 12, 2017 2:51 pm

Next CAF for MSN 76 QR #16:

https://fr24.com/AIB07NE/ed4fece

MD80MKE · Tue Sep 12, 2017 3:01 pm

Next flight for MSN 142 TG #7 after paint.
https://www.flightradar24.com/AIB04NS/ed497dc

Slug71 · Tue Sep 12, 2017 3:15 pm

A35K F-WLXV appears to be online as AIB06XV too.
One of the other A35Ks was also online a few minutes ago.

https://www.flightradar24.com/AIB06XV/ed42c3b

StTim · Tue Sep 12, 2017 3:22 pm

Perhaps the revised parts for the engine are ready.

KarelXWB · Tue Sep 12, 2017 3:24 pm

StTim wrote:
Perhaps the revised parts for the engine are ready.

MSN 65 made 2 RTOs last week, that suggests it got new engines installed.

AIB58XV 7/9/2017 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr

LAX772LR · Wed Sep 13, 2017 2:38 am

KarelXWB wrote:
that suggests it got new engines installed.

How come?

hkcanadaexpat · Wed Sep 13, 2017 6:53 am

MSN 138 (CI #8) sporting its final registration B-18909 this morning. Delivery soon.

KarelXWB · Wed Sep 13, 2017 9:46 am

Airbus has re-activated MSN2 from storage in BOD to send relief goods to St Martin.

The A350 will pick up supplies at CDG, deliver the goods at PTP and bring back 200 people.

StTim · Wed Sep 13, 2017 9:48 am

Well done Airbus

mat66 · Wed Sep 13, 2017 10:05 am

StTim wrote:
Well done Airbus

Yes indeed. I'm just wondering if this is the first time this or any test airplane transports non airbus/customer employees and press. If there is some kind of permit for it, it might have been waivered for this special circumstance.

WIederling · Wed Sep 13, 2017 11:31 am

mat66 wrote:
StTim wrote:
Well done Airbus

Yes indeed. I'm just wondering if this is the first time this or any test airplane transports non airbus/customer employees and press. If there is some kind of permit for it, it might have been waivered for this special circumstance.

The A350 is certified and production did not get turned inside out for the customer frames.
Should present as a regular certified and registered to Airbus frame ( a long as no new test package is installed.)

KarelXWB · Wed Sep 13, 2017 11:47 am

MSN 83 QR #17 first CAF:

https://fr24.com/AIB11NM/ed79132

MSN 140 SQ #18 second flight:

https://fr24.com/AIB02ND/ed72f30

fcogafa · Wed Sep 13, 2017 12:04 pm

From ch-aviation:

Cathay - six A350-1000s is to be converted into six A350-900s (to be delivered in 2019 and 2020) and the delivery of five A350-1000s is to be deferred from 2020 to 2021.

Tedd · Wed Sep 13, 2017 12:38 pm

LAX772LR wrote:
KarelXWB wrote:
that suggests it got new engines installed.

How come?

Would these new engine`s be the one`s with the revised combuster components? I guess it would make
sense as these aircraft are about to embark on their final series of shakedown trials before EIS.

KarelXWB · Wed Sep 13, 2017 12:43 pm

LAX772LR wrote:
KarelXWB wrote:
that suggests it got new engines installed.

How come?

As mentioned some time ago, RR was dealing with a last minute issue in the Trent XWB-97 combustion chamber. This has postphoned A350-1000 route proving trails from August to September.

Polot · Wed Sep 13, 2017 1:56 pm

WIederling wrote:
mat66 wrote:
StTim wrote:
Well done Airbus

Yes indeed. I'm just wondering if this is the first time this or any test airplane transports non airbus/customer employees and press. If there is some kind of permit for it, it might have been waivered for this special circumstance.

The A350 is certified and production did not get turned inside out for the customer frames.
Should present as a regular certified and registered to Airbus frame ( a long as no new test package is installed.)

Airbus is not an airline however. I think that is what mat66 was getting out in regards to possibly needing a permit/waiver to carry the non-Airbus personnel for transportation purposes.

WIederling · Wed Sep 13, 2017 2:15 pm

Polot wrote:
Airbus is not an airline however. I think that is what mat66 was getting out in regards to possibly needing a permit/waiver to carry the non-Airbus personnel for transportation purposes.

Interesting question.
They won't take any money for the flights i.e. _not_ an airline but more like hobbyist :-)

.

Anybody in the know about the legalities?

KarelXWB · Wed Sep 13, 2017 5:00 pm

MSN 149 DL #3 has rolled out to the flight line.

KarelXWB · Wed Sep 13, 2017 5:25 pm

MSN 170 SQ #20 emerged from final assembly.

Msn170 13/9/2017 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr

7BOEING7 · Wed Sep 13, 2017 5:36 pm

WIederling wrote:
Polot wrote:
Airbus is not an airline however. I think that is what mat66 was getting out in regards to possibly needing a permit/waiver to carry the non-Airbus personnel for transportation purposes.

Interesting question.
They won't take any money for the flights i.e. _not_ an airline but more like hobbyist .

Anybody in the know about the legalities?

It probably took longer to get the paper work done than prepping the airplane for flight, but I'm sure the regulatory authority was sympathetic to there cause.

Similar evacuations have taken place before, i.e. after typhoon Tracy Qantas did evacuation flights out of Darwin with airplanes packed well above the normal legal limit -- one flight had 674 people on a 747 configured to hold about half that amount.

http://www.ntnews.com.au/news/special-f ... 0160e2641c

Slug71 · Wed Sep 13, 2017 7:17 pm

A35Ks F-WWXL (MSN 71) and F-WLXV (MSN 65) online today again.

https://www.flightradar24.com/FWWXL/ed8e1b4

https://www.flightradar24.com/AIB61XV/ed7df20

Looks like MSN 71 made short flights yesterday and today.

Planesmart · Wed Sep 13, 2017 8:00 pm

7BOEING7 wrote:
WIederling wrote:
Polot wrote:
Airbus is not an airline however. I think that is what mat66 was getting out in regards to possibly needing a permit/waiver to carry the non-Airbus personnel for transportation purposes.

Interesting question.
They won't take any money for the flights i.e. _not_ an airline but more like hobbyist .

Anybody in the know about the legalities?

It probably took longer to get the paper work done than prepping the airplane for flight, but I'm sure the regulatory authority was sympathetic to there cause.

Similar evacuations have taken place before, i.e. after typhoon Tracy Qantas did evacuation flights out of Darwin with airplanes packed well above the normal legal limit -- one flight had 674 people on a 747 configured to hold about half that amount.

Would require a few favours from insurers and airworthiness authorities, but who would hesitate or say no. Probably treated as dispensation under experimental rules, where demonstration payloads and people are transported.

The Darwin evacuations are from a different era, didn't involve flying outside Australia, the State owned airline was requested / instructed to do so by it's owners, and probably the Government self-insured, used military or other Government cover.

BobMUC · Thu Sep 14, 2017 9:49 am

#8 (MSN 138) for China Airlines is visible with final registration B-18909:
https://www.flightradar24.com/B18909/eda4574

KarelXWB · Thu Sep 14, 2017 11:31 am

MSN 78 QR second flight:

https://fr24.com/AIB02NG/edad6fc

MSN 134 AY #11 CAF:

https://fr24.com/AIB03GY/eda5b74

KarelXWB · Thu Sep 14, 2017 12:13 pm

MSN 137 CX #19 second flight too:

https://fr24.com/AIB02NF/edaec15

KarelXWB · Thu Sep 14, 2017 1:54 pm

Next flight for MSN 142 TG #7:

https://fr24.com/AIB05NS/edb24f0

KarelXWB · Thu Sep 14, 2017 2:14 pm

MSN 138 CI #8 delivery flight is planned for today.

Airbus A350 -941 138 B-18909 China Airlines delivery 14sep17 TLS-TPE ex F-WZFS

KarelXWB · Thu Sep 14, 2017 8:41 pm

MSN 149 DL #3 can be seen in today's flight line photo:

AIB03GY msn134 caf 14/9/2017 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr

Slash787 · Fri Sep 15, 2017 9:26 am

Karel you are doing an amazing Job by keeping us updated.

Any Idea when will MSN 88 will have its first flight with QR colors.

KarelXWB · Fri Sep 15, 2017 9:51 am

MSN 151 CI #9 has rolled out to the flight line (full painted).

Slash787 wrote:
Any Idea when will MSN 88 will have its first flight with QR colors.

November if I'm not mistaken.

jumbojet · Fri Sep 15, 2017 10:59 am

KarelXWB wrote:
MSN 149 DL #3 can be seen in today's flight line photo:

AIB03GY msn134 caf 14/9/2017 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr

I've had DL #3 on my mind all week, thanks for the pic. I am surprised she's not even painted yet. I know it doesn't take long to paint a plane but any estimates on when DL #3 will be delivered? I know there is a delivery schedule up thread but it'll be nearly impossible to find. Thanks

KarelXWB · Sat Sep 16, 2017 7:55 pm

MSN 144 OZ #3 has been spotted at the washing area, meaning it should be moved to the delivery centre shortly.

Msn144 F-WZNJ 16/9/2017 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr

BOEING777EK · Sat Sep 16, 2017 8:31 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
MSN 144 OZ #3 has been spotted at the washing area, meaning it should be moved to the delivery centre shortly.

Msn144 F-WZNJ 16/9/2017 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr

Meanwhile Iran's 5TH ATR can be seen with the new livery with final reg applied EP-ITE being transferred to the Delivery Centre.

BREECH · Sat Sep 16, 2017 8:41 pm

Could someone enlighten me a bit. I used to see unpainted planes in green. These days they're beige-ish. Is this the actual colo(u)r of the composites they're using or is it primer?

Polot · Sat Sep 16, 2017 8:43 pm

BREECH wrote:
Could someone enlighten me a bit. I used to see unpainted planes in green. These days they're beige-ish. Is this the actual colo(u)r of the composites they're using or is it primer?

primer

WIederling · Sun Sep 17, 2017 8:06 am

Polot wrote:
BREECH wrote:
Could someone enlighten me a bit. I used to see unpainted planes in green. These days they're beige-ish. Is this the actual colo(u)r of the composites they're using or is it primer?

primer

you still see the greenish coatings on AL parts. ( see the A350 nose as an example.)
nothing has changed actually.
Plastics tend to get that beige or on occasion greyish primer coat and
for some select parts are finished up with the customer airlines livery.
( see any A380 for what gets either type of coating.
tailcone : CFRP : beige or airline finish.)

777Mech · Sun Sep 17, 2017 10:29 am

DL #3 should deliver on October 3rd and fly immediately afterwards to MSP for its prior to service induction. No more will be done at ACJC.

hkcanadaexpat · Sun Sep 17, 2017 10:56 am

777Mech wrote:
DL #3 should deliver on October 3rd and fly immediately afterwards to MSP for its prior to service induction. No more will be done at ACJC.

Do you not mean November 3? October 3 is in two weeks and the frame is still not painted, no engine run, not RTO and no flights!

BOEING777EK · Sun Sep 17, 2017 11:04 am

Does anyone know when will QR 83 and 76 be delivered both have completed a fair amount of CAFs and QR 83 completed 12 test flights and still no sign of delivery.

WIederling · Sun Sep 17, 2017 11:30 am

BOEING777EK wrote:
Does anyone know when will QR 83 and 76 be delivered both have completed a fair amount of CAFs and QR 83 completed 12 test flights and still no sign of delivery.

Pfft.
parting the carpet lay the right way takes its time. :-)

BREECH · Sun Sep 17, 2017 3:07 pm

WIederling wrote:
you still see the greenish coatings on AL parts. ( see the A350 nose as an example.)
nothing has changed actually.
Plastics tend to get that beige or on occasion greyish primer coat and
for some select parts are finished up with the customer airlines livery.
( see any A380 for what gets either type of coating.
tailcone : CFRP : beige or airline finish.)

Thank you very much for the info. Do you also happen to know WHY they're primering the "plastics"? Alumin(i)um is coated to avoid oxidation... oxidization?... whichever is correct. But plastics don't really oxidize, do they? In today's world where "one olive saves 100 million" (according to Jetblue), why spend money and time to paint what cannot deteriorate in the elements?

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