Airbus A350 Production And Delivery Thread - 2016-2017 (Part 17)

KarelXWB · Wed Dec 27, 2017 10:39 am

Theseus wrote:
How about MSN 88 ? (QR's first A35K)

It was moved away from the flight line on Friday, not sure where it went to. Perhaps it needs additional work.

Qatar Airways' first Airbus A350-1000 XWB by David BARRIE, on Flickr

Bricktop · Wed Dec 27, 2017 11:35 am

thgsr08 wrote:
Does anyone know if PR-XTF is back to JJ?
FR24 shows it's been flying to JFK since DEC19 but also, flying as A7-AMB as it was.

WHATS GOING ON WITH FR24???

Dunno. This morning it had PR-XTE operating that flight on the map, but when I just checked the listings, PR-XTA. Odd.

KarelXWB · Wed Dec 27, 2017 4:56 pm

MSN 173 VN #10 is also online with its final registration.

KarelXWB · Wed Dec 27, 2017 5:12 pm

EASA has certified the 311t A350-1000 variant.

See https://www.easa.europa.eu/system/files ... 2%2021.pdf

KarelXWB · Wed Dec 27, 2017 9:33 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
MSN 176 OZ #4 is now online with its final registration, should be flying home in the coming days.

And here it goes:

https://fr24.com/AAR579D/ff5324a

BOAC1966 · Wed Dec 27, 2017 11:03 pm

What are the implications of an extra 3000kgs on the -1000? Extra range ....extra payload? See still awaiting ETOPS and all weather limitation. Looks as EIS slipping into February?

Stitch · Thu Dec 28, 2017 2:22 am

BOAC1966 wrote:
What are the implications of an extra 3000kgs on the -1000? Extra range ....extra payload?

Both. You can now lift up to another 3000kg of payload or up to another 3000kg of fuel or a mix thereof.

StTim · Thu Dec 28, 2017 7:36 am

Are weight variants fixed in production or can they be simply changed over the life of a frame (for a fee of course)?

BOAC1966 · Thu Dec 28, 2017 10:23 am

My point re extra range and or payload seeks to guage how it affects the relative attractiveness of the a/c compared with competing airframes. In other words how material is it in a business case

KarelXWB · Thu Dec 28, 2017 10:23 am

MSN 132 QR #21 just performed another (short) CAF.

https://fr24.com/AIB08FL/ff66c02

StTim · Thu Dec 28, 2017 10:54 am

I suppose if it takes 3 tons extra payload it will have a slightly shorter range and if it is 3 tons extra fuel it will be able to carry the same payload over a slightly longer range.

It does add flexibility to the frame - but incurs extra costs.

KarelXWB · Thu Dec 28, 2017 11:02 am

StTim wrote:
I suppose if it takes 3 tons extra payload it will have a slightly shorter range and if it is 3 tons extra fuel it will be able to carry the same payload over a slightly longer range.

It does add flexibility to the frame - but incurs extra costs.

It's always a trade off, isn't?

PM · Thu Dec 28, 2017 11:16 am

Still a few more days to go but has anyone else noticed that 2017 is going to be the year when there were more A350s built and delivered than 777s? Let that sink in for a moment.

WIederling · Thu Dec 28, 2017 2:22 pm

StTim wrote:
I suppose if it takes 3 tons extra payload it will have a slightly shorter range and if it is 3 tons extra fuel it will be able to carry the same payload over a slightly longer range.

It does add flexibility to the frame - but incurs extra costs.

ignore. brain fart.

To note:
We've seen few MTOW increases that fully mirrored into MZFW markup.

ap305 · Thu Dec 28, 2017 4:19 pm

Did not want to start a separate thread for this but this blog/site claims that Aerolineas Argentina will order 4 a350 next year with delivery starting in September.....

http://avionesenezeiza.blogspot.in/2017 ... uatro.html

tvh · Thu Dec 28, 2017 4:29 pm

ap305 wrote:
Did not want to start a separate thread for this but this blog/site claims that Aerolineas Argentina will order 4 a350 next year with delivery starting in September.....

http://avionesenezeiza.blogspot.in/2017 ... uatro.html

Could be qatar aircraft ?

Jayafe · Thu Dec 28, 2017 4:49 pm

tvh wrote:
ap305 wrote:
Did not want to start a separate thread for this but this blog/site claims that Aerolineas Argentina will order 4 a350 next year with delivery starting in September.....

http://avionesenezeiza.blogspot.in/2017 ... uatro.html

Could be qatar aircraft ?

QR is keeping its planes....

Theseus · Thu Dec 28, 2017 4:53 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
It was moved away from the flight line on Friday, not sure where it went to. Perhaps it needs additional work.

Thanks for the very quick and documented reply!
Oh well, I guess they will not deliver it this year. But still, even then and if they fall short of the 80 deliveries over a year, achieving a more stable output rate (there are a lot of frames in all stages of completion, so I do not see January 2018 go with a single delivery as January 2017), it is still pretty good.

COMPAVION · Thu Dec 28, 2017 7:30 pm

Regarding the Aerolíneas Argentinas 350 news, its all fake. Today in many latin countries is Inocents day, the equivalent of April Fools Day in other parts.
If you read it, at the end it says so.
Best wishes for the new year.

rotating14 · Fri Dec 29, 2017 1:53 am

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... 18-444508/

Delivery will take place "early in the new year". Something must be up.

ap305 · Fri Dec 29, 2017 6:51 am

COMPAVION wrote:
Regarding the Aerolíneas Argentinas 350 news, its all fake. Today in many latin countries is Inocents day, the equivalent of April Fools Day in other parts.
If you read it, at the end it says so.
Best wishes for the new year.

D'OH!

ap305 · Fri Dec 29, 2017 6:52 am

rotating14 wrote:
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/first-qatar-a350-1000-delivery-slips-to-2018-444508/

Delivery will take place "early in the new year". Something must be up.

All that is probably going is QR found some small issue and Airbus does not have enough staff over the break to fix it....

KarelXWB · Fri Dec 29, 2017 8:42 am

Hong Kong Airlines will lease 2 additional A350s from ALAFCO, bringing its A350 fleet at 20 aircraft.

https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... 350-leases

NZ321 · Fri Dec 29, 2017 9:21 am

How does this make 20 aircraft. I thought they only had 4 secured plus this would make 2 options.

Asiaflyer · Fri Dec 29, 2017 9:27 am

NZ321 wrote:
How does this make 20 aircraft. I thought they only had 4 secured plus this would make 2 options.

Check out Airbus order sheet.
http://www.airbus.com/content/dam/corpo ... r_2017.xls

KarelXWB · Fri Dec 29, 2017 9:44 am

NZ321 wrote:
How does this make 20 aircraft. I thought they only had 4 secured plus this would make 2 options.

> 15 on direct order
> 3 on lease from AerCap (former Azul slots)
> 2 on lease from ALAFCO

PM · Fri Dec 29, 2017 10:01 am

Jayafe wrote:

QR is keeping its planes....

No. They are taking the four they tried to dodge but have cancelled the last four that were previously on order. But, agreed: that should have no bearing on slots for Aerolineas.

KarelXWB · Fri Dec 29, 2017 10:06 am

PM wrote:
But, agreed: that should have no bearing on slots for Aerolineas.

Indeed: those 4 aircraft at the end of the line are post 2020 production slots.

tvh · Fri Dec 29, 2017 10:32 am

Jayafe wrote:
tvh wrote:
ap305 wrote:
Did not want to start a separate thread for this but this blog/site claims that Aerolineas Argentina will order 4 a350 next year with delivery starting in September.....

http://avionesenezeiza.blogspot.in/2017 ... uatro.html

Could be qatar aircraft ?

QR is keeping its planes....

the could build other one's for them as they are in no hurry to take them.

JerseyFlyer · Fri Dec 29, 2017 12:45 pm

PM wrote:
Jayafe wrote:

QR is keeping its planes....

No. They are taking the four they tried to dodge but have cancelled the last four that were previously on order. But, agreed: that should have no bearing on slots for Aerolineas.

Is it possible that QR have released 4 earlier slots to Aerolineas?

KarelXWB · Fri Dec 29, 2017 12:49 pm

JerseyFlyer wrote:
Is it possible that QR have released 4 earlier slots to Aerolineas?

The Aerolineas story was just a joke. The answer would be no.

mjoelnir · Fri Dec 29, 2017 4:17 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
EASA has certified the 311t A350-1000 variant.

See https://www.easa.europa.eu/system/files ... 2%2021.pdf

The full increase is in regards to payload.

KarelXWB · Sat Dec 30, 2017 10:46 am

MSN 173 VN #10 should be flying home today.

Airbus A350 -941 173 VN-A895 Vietnam Airlines delivery 30dec17 TLS-HAN ex F-WZHK

KarelXWB · Sat Dec 30, 2017 7:13 pm

Few recent photos of the flight line:

Flightline by theo franchi, on Flickr

KarelXWB · Sat Dec 30, 2017 7:22 pm

And we can also spot MSN 60 parked nearby the test centre:

Flightline by theo franchi, on Flickr

memphiX · Sun Dec 31, 2017 1:44 am

KarelXWB wrote:
MSN 173 VN #10 should be flying home today.

Airbus A350 -941 173 VN-A895 Vietnam Airlines delivery 30dec17 TLS-HAN ex F-WZHK

Is this the last delivery of 2017?

audidudi · Sun Dec 31, 2017 2:24 am

memphiX wrote:
KarelXWB wrote:
MSN 173 VN #10 should be flying home today.

Airbus A350 -941 173 VN-A895 Vietnam Airlines delivery 30dec17 TLS-HAN ex F-WZHK

Is this the last delivery of 2017?

Has Airbus ever delivered any aircraft on a Sunday before, even if it's the last day of the quarter/year?

hkcanadaexpat · Sun Dec 31, 2017 2:42 am

memphiX wrote:
Is this the last delivery of 2017?

most likely MS 132 was contractually delivered on Friday. It was sporting its final regs. Making it 78 for the year.

SQ22 · Mon Jan 01, 2018 4:47 pm

Please continue to post your updates in the new thread for 2018:

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1382499

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