Airbus A350 Production And Delivery Thread - 2016-2017 (Part 17)

KarelXWB · Tue Oct 10, 2017 8:05 pm

MSN 76 is on the move as well:

https://www.flightradar24.com/QTR3350/f29e37d

Going home to DOH.

Theseus · Tue Oct 10, 2017 8:07 pm

When I look at flightradar, I also see another mysterious "QTR3350" just taking off... It is not marked as an A350 (unknown plane) though, and there is no immat. Second delivery ?

Slug71 · Tue Oct 10, 2017 8:19 pm

Bout damn time! Hopefully MSN 63 will follow soon.

lvs · Tue Oct 10, 2017 8:22 pm

Theseus wrote:
When I look at flightradar, I also see another mysterious "QTR3350" just taking off... It is not marked as an A350 (unknown plane) though, and there is no immat. Second delivery ?

Yes, is the second QR A350 delivery.

Jayafe · Tue Oct 10, 2017 9:11 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
lvs wrote:
I don't believe it, is the delivery flight?
https://www.flightradar24.com/QTR3359/f29c404

That's MSN 83 going home to DOH.

Haters gonna hate....

TC957 · Tue Oct 10, 2017 9:18 pm

So with these two now gone from TLS, what's the status of the remaining QR 359's overdue for delivery ?
Sorry, I've not kept up...

MD80MKE · Tue Oct 10, 2017 9:42 pm

TC957 wrote:
So with these two now gone from TLS, what's the status of the remaining QR 359's overdue for delivery ?
Sorry, I've not kept up...

MSN63 just moved to DC today. MSN78 had 3 flights so far, still at flight line. MSN90 completed its RTO several days ago, still not fully painted.

KarelXWB · Wed Oct 11, 2017 7:46 am

hkcanadaexpat wrote:
New A350 rolled out to the flightline today. Reg is F-WZHF. Not sure which one it is though.

F-WZHF = MSN 168 HX #3.

The other one, F-WZNZ, is MSN 158 SQ #19.

Geoff1947 · Wed Oct 11, 2017 9:17 am

KarelXWB wrote:
Geoff1947 wrote:

If the orderbook is not updated then the cancellations stand. Which frames QR eventually takes is a separate issue. Airbus seems to think that the much delayed frames will be delivered but QR is still not taking them. Interesting.

Geoff

You seem to be mixing up a few things. QR canceled 4 aircraft that have been built already (MSN 63/78/90/100). Now both parties agreed to deliver those aircraft. The order book doesn't have to be updated to account those 4 aircraft.

Sorry to have confused you over this. When QR first cancelled four frames it was understood this was for four of the already built and long delayed frames.
It is now apparent that those frames are being delivered after all. The outstanding question is whether the cancellation, which was recorded in the orderbook, stands or as some had supposed, gets reversed. As of the 6h October Airbus update, the cancellation stands and QR has a total of 76 A350s delivered or on order, rather than the previous 80.

Geoff

Bostrom · Wed Oct 11, 2017 9:23 am

Geoff1947 wrote:
The outstanding question is whether the cancellation, which was recorded in the orderbook, stands or as some had supposed, gets reversed. As of the 6h October Airbus update, the cancellation stands and QR has a total of 76 A350s delivered or on order, rather than the previous 80.

Geoff

With Qatar, who knows? I've given up trying to understand their actions.

uta999 · Wed Oct 11, 2017 9:33 am

How did the much delayed and problematic B787 get to 600 deliveries vs around 120 A350s?

I thought they were conceived around the same time.Just interested.

teme82 · Wed Oct 11, 2017 9:40 am

uta999 wrote:
How did the much delayed and problematic B787 get to 600 deliveries vs around 120 A350s?

I thought they were conceived around the same time.Just interested.

A350 went through total design change so it's production started like 2-4 years later than planned.

uta999 · Wed Oct 11, 2017 9:42 am

So did the 787. It too was five years late. Both were launched around 2004 - 2006. Why the disparity?

WIederling · Wed Oct 11, 2017 10:03 am

uta999 wrote:
So did the 787. It too was five years late. Both were launched around 2004 - 2006. Why the disparity?

actually more like 2003 vs 2006.
( how to count the sonic cruiser design phase ( ?1999 onwards? ) in this ? )

$30b+++++++++++++++ in outlay.
industry worst introduction vs industry best introduction in recent times.
massive late redesign vs minimal changes.
...

but
787 built but not deliverable without changes frames continued to accumulate early
and again were accumulated during the ground phase.
That stash of expensive toys let the ramp up after EIS appear faster than it really was.

PS: any money in bringing up some misrepresentations again and again and again?

Egerton · Wed Oct 11, 2017 10:09 am

I understood that this thread was named "Production & Delivery"?

KarelXWB · Wed Oct 11, 2017 11:52 am

MSN 153 HX #2 on arrival at XFW:

A350 B-LGB by Tobias Gudat, on Flickr

Slug71 · Thu Oct 12, 2017 1:41 am

Looks like another slow week for the -1000.

KarelXWB · Thu Oct 12, 2017 7:57 am

MSN 183 MH #3 seen in final assembly couple days ago:

http://www.utusan.com.my/berita/nasiona ... i-1.536803

KarelXWB · Thu Oct 12, 2017 7:59 am

Slug71 wrote:
Looks like another slow week for the -1000.

MSN 65 completed a 8-hour test flight above TLS yesterday.

https://twitter.com/mba340/status/918186599170674690

KarelXWB · Thu Oct 12, 2017 8:09 am

MSN 145 MK #1 first CAF today.

https://fr24.com/AIB03NN/f2e0137

enzo011 · Thu Oct 12, 2017 8:11 am

KarelXWB wrote:
Slug71 wrote:
Looks like another slow week for the -1000.

MSN 65 completed a 8-hour test flight above TLS yesterday.

It did a 2 hour flight on the 10th October as well and is out again this morning.

BOAC1966 · Thu Oct 12, 2017 9:18 am

Yes nice to see -1000 flying ...spent most of flight on 11h doing calibration at 10000 and then today similar pattern at just under 18000 ....hopefully final phase before certification?

Prashvon · Thu Oct 12, 2017 10:39 am

MSN 145 - MK # 1

Another announcement from Somas Appavou (CEO of Air Mauritius) on 11th Oct, the first Airbus A350-900 is expected in the country on 20 October. The first flight will be to Singapore on October 23rd.

Slug71 · Thu Oct 12, 2017 3:22 pm

enzo011 wrote:
KarelXWB wrote:
Slug71 wrote:
Looks like another slow week for the -1000.

MSN 65 completed a 8-hour test flight above TLS yesterday.

It did a 2 hour flight on the 10th October as well and is out again this morning.

Thanks guys. Not sure how I missed that one yesterday. I do see todays circuits though.Not much activity from the other two though.

NZ321 · Thu Oct 12, 2017 3:52 pm

So when does SQ get number 20? And when do they get their first ULR?

KarelXWB · Thu Oct 12, 2017 3:58 pm

SQ #20 should be delivered in December.

BOAC1966 · Thu Oct 12, 2017 4:26 pm

Test pilots on -1000 today probably rather dizzy after seven hours going round in circles!

Geoff1947 · Thu Oct 12, 2017 10:03 pm

NZ321 wrote:
So when does SQ get number 20? And when do they get their first ULR?

Thought the first ULR was going to be SQ #22.

Geoff

KarelXWB · Fri Oct 13, 2017 7:34 am

BOAC1966 wrote:
Test pilots on -1000 today probably rather dizzy after seven hours going round in circles!

As per tweet below, it was an ETOPS certification flight.

https://twitter.com/Frenchpainter/statu ... 1447065600

KarelXWB · Fri Oct 13, 2017 12:03 pm

MSN 148 CX #20 needs another test flight:

https://fr24.com/AIB05GT/f314ae6

At the same time MSN 63 QR #18 is heading for its first CAF:

https://fr24.com/AIB04FJ/f314dd5

KarelXWB · Fri Oct 13, 2017 1:43 pm

Below is a first glimpse of MSN 98 after cabin/engine fit. The winglets are not in Azul colors anymore.

Msn98 13/10/2017 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr

Geoff1947 · Fri Oct 13, 2017 1:50 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
Below is a first glimpse of MSN 98 after cabin/engine fit. The winglets are not in Azul colors anymore.

By Eurospot 1 Million views in 1 year, Thanks, on Flickr

Any news about when the CAAC might certify the A350 ?

Geoff

Slug71 · Fri Oct 13, 2017 4:08 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
BOAC1966 wrote:
Test pilots on -1000 today probably rather dizzy after seven hours going round in circles!

As per tweet below, it was an ETOPS certification flight.

https://twitter.com/Frenchpainter/statu ... 1447065600

Is this needed for route proving or just ticking a requirement off the list?

Polot · Fri Oct 13, 2017 5:13 pm

Slug71 wrote:
Is this needed for route proving or just ticking a requirement off the list?

It is needed for ETOPS approval, which I'm sure operators would appreciate having right from the start.

UAEflyer · Sun Oct 15, 2017 4:11 am

When will Kuwait Airways & Etihad receive their first A350 ?

MoonC · Sun Oct 15, 2017 9:19 am

UAEflyer wrote:
When will Kuwait Airways & Etihad receive their first A350 ?

Both during 2019, no?

KarelXWB · Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:10 am

MSN 145 MK #1 has been named "Le Morne Brabant".

A350 air Mauritius 3B-NBP msn145 F-WZNN by theo franchi, on Flickr

KarelXWB · Mon Oct 16, 2017 9:21 am

Looks like MSN 65 has kicked off the A350-1000 route proving flights.

KarelXWB · Mon Oct 16, 2017 11:32 am

MSN 154 CX #21 second flight today.

https://fr24.com/AIB02NQ/f396767

KarelXWB · Mon Oct 16, 2017 1:00 pm

MSN 151 CI #9 is getting ready for its 3rd flight.

https://fr24.com/AIB03NV/f399f52

Slug71 · Mon Oct 16, 2017 4:02 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
Looks like MSN 65 has kicked off the A350-1000 route proving flights.

Finally!

How long is the route proving scheduled for?
Looks like MSN 71 had a short flight too. Starting the week off good.

BOAC1966 · Mon Oct 16, 2017 6:02 pm

I wonder if it will be as extensive as her older sister involving a RTW and 14 cities? Given the exemplary EIS of her sister probably not really required to be as exacting yet a great PR opportunity if well handled! Aside from route trials are there any other certification hurdles to be completed?

StTim · Mon Oct 16, 2017 6:13 pm

I haven’t seen that they have done the maximum energy RTO yet. Apart from that looks pretty complete.

Theseus · Mon Oct 16, 2017 6:17 pm

Compared to the -900, I do not see much information on the -1000 testing. In particular, the google spreadsheet had pretty complete tables and charts for the -900, but data on the -1000 stop very early in the testing campaign. I am not sure whether it is because data was not made public, or just because the -1000 testing campaign is less interesting to watch and document. Also, I did not see many articles about it.

Is there an up-to-date source for the -1000 testing campaign ?

ap305 · Mon Oct 16, 2017 6:38 pm

The route proving is continuing with aib353 heading north....

KarelXWB · Mon Oct 16, 2017 8:04 pm

Meanwhile MSN 63 sports its final registration (after just 1 CAF), perhaps delivery might follow soon.

And behind we can see MSN 145 MK #1 with its final registration too.

Msn63 A7-ALO - Msn145 3B-NBP 16/10/2017 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr

Additionally MSN 157 MK #2 emerged from cabin/engine fit. Will need a small paint retouch though.

Msn157 F-WZFQ 16/10/2017 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr

Eyad89 · Mon Oct 16, 2017 8:31 pm

Theseus wrote:
Compared to the -900, I do not see much information on the -1000 testing. In particular, the google spreadsheet had pretty complete tables and charts for the -900, but data on the -1000 stop very early in the testing campaign. I am not sure whether it is because data was not made public, or just because the -1000 testing campaign is less interesting to watch and document. Also, I did not see many articles about it.

Is there an up-to-date source for the -1000 testing campaign ?

Of course it wouldn’t. A359 was the first variant of a completely brand new design. It should get all the attention.

Just like how we used to track the developments of A320neo more closely than we did with the A321neo, or 788 vs 78J.

hkcanadaexpat · Mon Oct 16, 2017 10:35 pm

MSN 147 (ET #6) moved to the delivery centre today.
MSN 158 (SQ #19) completed its first engine run today.

BOAC1966 · Mon Oct 16, 2017 10:40 pm

MSN65 doing a night shift ....route proving in earnest! Over Scotland in the eye of a storm!

Slug71 · Mon Oct 16, 2017 10:47 pm

BOAC1966 wrote:
MSN65 doing a night shift ....route proving in earnest! Over Scotland in the eye of a storm!

Working her hard today!

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