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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Tue Feb 14, 2017 1:40 pm

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... I wouldn't be so sure about MSN 47. The aircraft has been moved back to the flight line.

Her actual callsign is QTR47ER1, which could indicate their engines have been swapped.
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Tue Feb 14, 2017 3:38 pm

Our three -1000 been very quiet last few days ...getting close to design freeze and key modifications?
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Tue Feb 14, 2017 7:45 pm

MSN 112 AD #2 has been moved to the next phase of assembly.

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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Tue Feb 14, 2017 8:41 pm

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MSN 112 AD #2 has been moved to the next phase of assembly.


Then Delta #1 (MSN #115) shouldn't be far away either.
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Wed Feb 15, 2017 9:41 am

MSN 82 (Air Caraibes #1) on second test flight this morning.
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Wed Feb 15, 2017 10:02 am

Does anyone have Weight and Range specifications for the -1000? Fuel quantity and tank layouts? The wings are the same as those on the -900 so I suppose that fuel quantity in those will remain the same.
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Wed Feb 15, 2017 10:03 am

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Does anyone have Weight and Range specifications for the -1000? Fuel quantity and tank layouts? The wings are the same as those on the -900 so I suppose that fuel quantity in those will remain the same.


All technical data can be found on http://www.airbus.com/support-services/ ... teristics/
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Wed Feb 15, 2017 10:13 am

MSN 47 (Qatar #14) is at the delivery centre this morning.
 
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Wed Feb 15, 2017 11:10 am

MSN 80 LH #2 is at the delivery centre this afternoon.
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Wed Feb 15, 2017 12:33 pm

N501DN (DAL#1) still shows undergoing final assembly at station #30. Shows 2017 but no month. Waiting for updates soon.
 
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Wed Feb 15, 2017 12:38 pm

It should move outside to P18 after MSN 116.
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Wed Feb 15, 2017 1:53 pm

3rdGen wrote:
Does anyone have Weight and Range specifications for the -1000? Fuel quantity and tank layouts? The wings are the same as those on the -900 so I suppose that fuel quantity in those will remain the same.


The layout seems to be the same for all types.
Available volume must be equal or better than 165,000 liters ( -900ULR )

The differences are in plumbing, inerting capacity and management software.
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Wed Feb 15, 2017 3:04 pm

It is currently at 165,000 litres and that is the same as Airbus now plans for the -900 ULR.
 
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Wed Feb 15, 2017 4:01 pm

A350 FWI on second test flight : Image
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Wed Feb 15, 2017 4:38 pm

StTim wrote:
It is currently at 165,000 litres and that is the same as Airbus now plans for the -900 ULR.


used to be 156,000 litres for the -1000. Did Airbus change that recently?
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Wed Feb 15, 2017 5:39 pm

WIederling wrote:
StTim wrote:
It is currently at 165,000 litres and that is the same as Airbus now plans for the -900 ULR.


used to be 156,000 litres for the -1000. Did Airbus change that recently?


I think you are right 156,000 l, but of course Airbus could do a A350-1000LR with 165,000 l.
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Wed Feb 15, 2017 5:53 pm

I think I transposed two of the digits - sorry.

I also think that they have not said that the tanks are actually full at that point. Maybe there is some additional volume available.
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Wed Feb 15, 2017 5:53 pm

mjoelnir wrote:
I think you are right 156,000 l, but of course Airbus could do a A350-1000LR with 165,000 l.


I'd be more interested about the tanks being "hard" full at 165,000 litres or not :-)
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Wed Feb 15, 2017 6:24 pm

WIederling wrote:
mjoelnir wrote:
I think you are right 156,000 l, but of course Airbus could do a A350-1000LR with 165,000 l.


I'd be more interested about the tanks being "hard" full at 165,000 litres or not :-)


I would imagine the 165,000 being a hard limit for the A350-900, for the A350 I would say not less than.
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Wed Feb 15, 2017 9:03 pm

Interesting new video from Airbus about ground testing of the A350-1000:

A350-1000: Dynamic ground tests

http://www.airbus.com/video/video/3291963
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Thu Feb 16, 2017 6:19 am

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Qatar's A350-1000 will feature 327 seats (46 J, 281 Y). For comparison, their 77W features 335 seats (42 J, 293 Y). Looks like they swapped 2 economy rows for 1 row J seats.

https://twitter.com/A350_Production/sta ... 1403780096


While that is the old configuration, interesting how the A350-1000 is almost a true 77W replacement! I'm sure if 42 J seats were placed instead of 46 J seats the plane would eventually have more pax than the old 77W configuration.

I cant wait to see the new Super-J seats. The A350-1000 will have the second largest business class in QR fleet, only 2 less than on an A380! I am positive they will be used to premium heavy destinations, like LHR, CDG, JFK, IAD, ect...
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Thu Feb 16, 2017 9:27 am

MSN 80 (Lufthansa #2) is currently on its first CAF.
Looks like MSN 86 (Vietnam #7) may attempt its first ER later today.
Also I believe (TBC) that MSN 72 (Cathay #12) completed its RTO on Feb 14th and was trying (but failed) to do its FF yesterday.
That plus a potential CAF from MSN 47 (Qatar #14) could mean a busy day in TLS!
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Thu Feb 16, 2017 9:56 am

Qatara340 wrote:
KarelXWB wrote:
Qatar's A350-1000 will feature 327 seats (46 J, 281 Y). For comparison, their 77W features 335 seats (42 J, 293 Y). Looks like they swapped 2 economy rows for 1 row J seats.

https://twitter.com/A350_Production/sta ... 1403780096


While that is the old configuration, interesting how the A350-1000 is almost a true 77W replacement! I'm sure if 42 J seats were placed instead of 46 J seats the plane would eventually have more pax than the old 77W configuration.


If we swap one J row for 2 Y rows, the A350-1000 would have 341 seats in Qatar's configuration.
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Thu Feb 16, 2017 10:30 am

hkcanadaexpat wrote:
Also I believe (TBC) that MSN 72 (Cathay #12) completed its RTO on Feb 14th and was trying (but failed) to do its FF yesterday.

As it turns out, MSN 72 just completed its RTO (today Feb 16).
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Thu Feb 16, 2017 12:51 pm

MSN 86 VN #7 seen at the flight line yesterday:

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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Thu Feb 16, 2017 1:29 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
Qatara340 wrote:
KarelXWB wrote:
Qatar's A350-1000 will feature 327 seats (46 J, 281 Y). For comparison, their 77W features 335 seats (42 J, 293 Y). Looks like they swapped 2 economy rows for 1 row J seats.

https://twitter.com/A350_Production/sta ... 1403780096


While that is the old configuration, interesting how the A350-1000 is almost a true 77W replacement! I'm sure if 42 J seats were placed instead of 46 J seats the plane would eventually have more pax than the old 77W configuration.


If we swap one J row for 2 Y rows, the A350-1000 would have 341 seats in Qatar's configuration.


How is it possible ?
Their 77W are in 10 abreast and the A350 in 9 abreast.... Are they going to put 10 seats in a row like Air Caraïbes ?
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Thu Feb 16, 2017 1:31 pm

Anthonys wrote:
KarelXWB wrote:
Qatara340 wrote:

While that is the old configuration, interesting how the A350-1000 is almost a true 77W replacement! I'm sure if 42 J seats were placed instead of 46 J seats the plane would eventually have more pax than the old 77W configuration.


If we swap one J row for 2 Y rows, the A350-1000 would have 341 seats in Qatar's configuration.


How is it possible ?
Their 77W are in 10 abreast and the A350 in 9 abreast.... Are they going to put 10 seats in a row like Air Caraïbes ?


The 10-abreast 77W has 358 seats.
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Thu Feb 16, 2017 1:42 pm

Qatara340 wrote:
While that is the old configuration, interesting how the A350-1000 is almost a true 77W replacement! I'm sure if 42 J seats were placed instead of 46 J seats the plane would eventually have more pax than the old 77W configuration.

Well the A350-1000 is basically the exact same size as the 77W except for fuselage width of course. 9Y 77W configurations (like QR's old one) can essentially be copied and pasted into the plane.
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Thu Feb 16, 2017 1:50 pm

Polot wrote:
Qatara340 wrote:
While that is the old configuration, interesting how the A350-1000 is almost a true 77W replacement! I'm sure if 42 J seats were placed instead of 46 J seats the plane would eventually have more pax than the old 77W configuration.

Well the A350-1000 is basically the exact same size as the 77W except for fuselage width of course. 9Y 77W configurations (like QR's old one) can essentially be copied and pasted into the plane.


Do not forget that the a350 has a door pair less. This allows the pace to be better used.
 
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Thu Feb 16, 2017 3:02 pm

-1000 test programme back in full swing with two airborne this afternoon!
 
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Thu Feb 16, 2017 10:13 pm

N501DN (DAL#1) updated delivery date 7/2017...
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Thu Feb 16, 2017 11:41 pm

Qatara340 wrote:
KarelXWB wrote:
Qatar's A350-1000 will feature 327 seats (46 J, 281 Y). For comparison, their 77W features 335 seats (42 J, 293 Y). Looks like they swapped 2 economy rows for 1 row J seats.

https://twitter.com/A350_Production/sta ... 1403780096


While that is the old configuration, interesting how the A350-1000 is almost a true 77W replacement! I'm sure if 42 J seats were placed instead of 46 J seats the plane would eventually have more pax than the old 77W configuration.

I cant wait to see the new Super-J seats. The A350-1000 will have the second largest business class in QR fleet, only 2 less than on an A380! I am positive they will be used to premium heavy destinations, like LHR, CDG, JFK, IAD, ect...


I read on other threads that QR has a very successful ORD route. Could that be a good route to fly the revolutionary aircraft on? It's already served by the 77W and I'm pretty sure it has sufficient premium demand (I mean it's Chicago) to need an a350-1000. Let's hope it will become a reality!
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Feb 17, 2017 2:05 am

Cebo29 wrote:
N501DN (DAL#1) updated delivery date 7/2017...


That's a long time from now for us impatient types! :D
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Feb 17, 2017 3:40 am

Air France KLM once again pushes out deliveries of its A359 as per its 2016 Annual Report.
Old delivery schedule:
2019: 6x
2020: 8x
2021+: 14x
New delivery schedule:
2019: 3x
2020: 6x
2021: 6x
2022+: 13x
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:45 am

MSN 88, Qatar's first A350-1000, has entered the next phase of assembly.

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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

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hkcanadaexpat wrote:
hkcanadaexpat wrote:
Also I believe (TBC) that MSN 72 (Cathay #12) completed its RTO on Feb 14th and was trying (but failed) to do its FF yesterday.

As it turns out, MSN 72 just completed its RTO (today Feb 16).


Now preparing for its FF: https://www.flightradar24.com/AIB01NA
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:57 am

BobMUC wrote:
hkcanadaexpat wrote:
hkcanadaexpat wrote:
Also I believe (TBC) that MSN 72 (Cathay #12) completed its RTO on Feb 14th and was trying (but failed) to do its FF yesterday.

As it turns out, MSN 72 just completed its RTO (today Feb 16).


Now preparing for its FF: https://www.flightradar24.com/AIB01NA

Now airborne
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Fri Feb 17, 2017 2:02 pm

MSN 47 QR #14 in the air for a CAF: https://fr24.com/AIB04GT/c7d2058
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Sun Feb 19, 2017 7:52 pm

Air Mauritius' A350s will feature 326 seats (28 J, 298 Y).

https://twitter.com/A350_Production/sta ... 7001307136
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It looks like MSN 63 had its rudder replaced.

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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Mon Feb 20, 2017 11:32 am

MSN 65 has been ferried to XFW this morning to perform the A350-1000 evacuation trials.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/airc ... v/#c83c68e
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Mon Feb 20, 2017 11:51 am

KarelXWB wrote:
MSN 65 has been ferried to XFW this morning to perform the A350-1000 evacuation trials.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/airc ... v/#c83c68e


I find it interesting that Boeing can get an exemption on the entire 787 with regard to evacuation tests, but Airbus cant get one for an A350 derivative...
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Mon Feb 20, 2017 12:38 pm

moo wrote:
KarelXWB wrote:
MSN 65 has been ferried to XFW this morning to perform the A350-1000 evacuation trials.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/airc ... v/#c83c68e


I find it interesting that Boeing can get an exemption on the entire 787 with regard to evacuation tests, but Airbus cant get one for an A350 derivative...


I suspect that there are quite a few detail level differences between what the FAA allows and the European agency doesn't (and vice versa).

This test is always a tricky one as in any emergency evacuation you can get minor injuries and so to require this test does put the Airbus staff used at a level of risk exposure.
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Mon Feb 20, 2017 12:59 pm

StTim wrote:
moo wrote:
KarelXWB wrote:
MSN 65 has been ferried to XFW this morning to perform the A350-1000 evacuation trials.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/airc ... v/#c83c68e


I find it interesting that Boeing can get an exemption on the entire 787 with regard to evacuation tests, but Airbus cant get one for an A350 derivative...


I suspect that there are quite a few detail level differences between what the FAA allows and the European agency doesn't (and vice versa).

This test is always a tricky one as in any emergency evacuation you can get minor injuries and so to require this test does put the Airbus staff used at a level of risk exposure.

Could it be that they're trying to get approval for more than 440 seats?
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Mon Feb 20, 2017 3:12 pm

moo wrote:
KarelXWB wrote:
MSN 65 has been ferried to XFW this morning to perform the A350-1000 evacuation trials.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/airc ... v/#c83c68e


I find it interesting that Boeing can get an exemption on the entire 787 with regard to evacuation tests, but Airbus cant get one for an A350 derivative...



A lot of things are easier under FAA rules and regulations... including cabin modifications and ETOPS certifications (to help 77W sales)....
 
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Mon Feb 20, 2017 5:33 pm

From FR24 it looks like MSN86 did an RTO today.
 
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Mon Feb 20, 2017 9:01 pm

MSN 82 TX #1 and MSN 84 SQ #11 have been moved to the delivery centre.

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Tue Feb 21, 2017 9:28 am

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MSN 82 TX #1 and MSN 84 SQ #11 have been moved to the delivery centre.

Both are getting ready to leave on their first CAF and MSN 92 (China Airlines #5) looks set for an engine run.
 
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Tue Feb 21, 2017 10:03 am

MSN71 3rd -1000 test frame is heading north on a test flight. Polar navigation test?
 
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Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

Tue Feb 21, 2017 11:22 am

¿Someone know the delivery IB A350 dates and first destination?......because the A330 fleet is very new and the A359 have 50 seat less than the A340-600...and the destination like EZE,SCL,LIM,MEX,etc are for them.

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