Swiss aviation thread - 2017 (41)

SQ22 · Mon Apr 11, 2016 5:25 pm

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LX8626 · Tue Apr 12, 2016 5:10 am

Today, 12.04.2016 will be the first commercial flights for HB-IOO (the SWISS A321 with Sharklets)

LX1830 / 07:40-10:15 (UTC)
LX1831 / 11:00-13:50 (UTC)
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LX1254 / 14:34-16:55 (UTC)
LX1255 / 17:30-20:00 (UTC)

Schedule for 13:04.2016:

LX1050
LX1051
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LX2142
LX2143
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LX1054
LX1055

PhilInBRN · Wed Apr 13, 2016 4:57 pm

Quoting LX8626 (Reply 1):

Today, 12.04.2016 will be the first commercial flights for HB-IOO (the SWISS A321 with Sharklets)

And HB-JHQ (new WK A333E) had its first revenue flight to TPA yesterday

In other news, some traffic figures from ZRH and GVA for March16:

ZRH
Pax: 2,064,221 +3.8%
Movements: 21,214 +0.7%

GVA
Pax: 1,576,142 +6% --> GVA handled more than 1.5m pax in one month for the first time in its existence!
Movements: 16,871 -1.5%

LX
Pax: 1,292,192 -0.9%
Load factor: 77.6% -4%

I'm sort of surprised by the decline in pax numbers and load factor at LX. Given that the traditionally strong easter holiday weekend was in March this year I was expecting better numbers. On the other hand nice to see that ZRH is able to grow despite their main airline's numbers declining.

hynithuchi · Wed Apr 13, 2016 6:32 pm

Quoting PhilInBRN (Reply 2):
ZRH
Pax: 2,064,221 +3.8%
Movements: 21,214 +0.7%

GVA
Pax: 1,576,142 +6% --> GVA handled more than 1.5m pax in one month for the first time in its existence!
Movements: 16,871 -1.5%

Interesting that ZRH, despite being the most important airport in Switzerland, managed to increase passenger numbers by approx. 72 000 only while GVA increased by about 90 000. Could this mean that ZRH is losing out LCC traffic to the close-by BSL which has a much better LCC offer with EZS ( U2) and FR ? Are BSL figures available for this month ?

RJ100 · Wed Apr 13, 2016 6:53 pm

No BSL figures for March yet but +8% is expected for the full year. January and February were in the same range.

PhilInBRN · Wed Apr 13, 2016 8:12 pm

Quoting hynithuchi (Reply 3):
Are BSL figures available for this month ?

Numbers for BSL:

Pax: 539,563 +5%

Quoting hynithuchi (Reply 3):
Could this mean that ZRH is losing out LCC traffic to the close-by BSL which has a much better LCC offer with EZS ( U2) and FR ?

This has certainly been a factor in recent years. LCCs have long avoided ZRH due to the higher landing fees. However, I believe that limited capacity is a more important factor restricting growth at ZRH today. In my opinion, if FR, U2 or VY were able to acquire attractive slots they would've already massively increased their presence in ZRH. On the other hand, this year will finally see a nice increase in LCC operations at ZRH (VY with around 6 additional flights per day, U2 with a new flight to HAM).

It's actually stunning how low the maximum in hourly movements at ZRH are. Today I read (in an analysis done by LX) that ZRH only allows for 1.3 times the movements per hour that GVA has despite having 2 additional runways! On top of growth restrictions, ZRH has in essence become one of the worst airports in Europe in terms of departure delays.

[Edited 2016-04-13 13:24:24]

LSZH34 · Wed Apr 13, 2016 9:02 pm

Quoting PhilInBRN (Reply 5):
It's actually stunning how low the maximum in hourly movements at ZRH are. Today I read (in an analysis done by LX) that ZRH only allows for 1.3 times the movements per hour that GVA has despite having 2 additional runways! On top of growth restrictions, ZRH has in essence become one of the worst airports in Europe in terms of departure delays.

Politics really has to start working on that ASAP by allowing "Straight out RWY16" and increasing the runway length of 10/28 and 14/32 as a first step.

On the other hand, it's only bad during noon. Why isn't LX trying to use the available capacity during the later hours? They just squeezed in an additional BOS rotation (LX54/55) during noon again. I understand though LX is relying on feed for longhaul but why not depart during 1400-1500 or 1800-2000 local time?

NH203 · Wed Apr 13, 2016 9:15 pm

Quoting LSZH34 (Reply 6):
On the other hand, it's only bad during noon.

It's equally bad during LX' 4-5pm wave. ZRH airport really went from beeing one of the best in Europe to becoming a joke in no time. Only because planes can't fly over the millonair's homes.

LXA340 · Thu Apr 14, 2016 9:17 pm

It's really sad to see that today the ones standing in the way for ZRH and especially LX to grow are the local population and the government.

hynithuchi · Fri Apr 15, 2016 9:12 am

Quoting LXA340 (Reply 8):
It's really sad to see that today the ones standing in the way for ZRH and especially LX to grow are the local population and the government.

Well you're not the only ones although at GVA there is no hub to be developed. Just picked up a leaflet in my letter box which was distributed by the party running our local town council ( less than 3000 inhabitants ..), calling for a meeting and public debate about the nearby airport's future. The reason is that some genius predicted 25 mio pax in 2030 and politicians now claim this is going to double the number of movements... so their slogan is " we can't stand-by idly " and claim that that the nightban would be shortened to accomodate additional capacity. Obviously never heard of larger aircraft and more capacity ! So as you see, you don't have the privilege of ignorant politicians who twist the facts to suit their own purpose.

DALCE · Fri Apr 15, 2016 9:23 am

Quoting PhilInBRN (Reply 2):
And HB-JHQ (new WK A333E) had its first revenue flight to TPA yesterday

HB-JHQ is in the fleet for some time already, HB-JHR is the new 242T A330

WK4/12APR was the first revenue flight for this bird.

BTW, according LX intranet fleet update, 1 A343 has been WFU, which one is this?
Other open sources still mention 15 active frames.

Quoting LXA340 (Reply 8):
It's really sad to see that today the ones standing in the way for ZRH and especially LX to grow are the local population and the government.

Of which at least a part does earn their wages directly or indirectly via ZRH aiport.

bmibaby737 · Fri Apr 15, 2016 9:32 am

Quoting Dalce (Reply 10):
BTW, according LX intranet fleet update, 1 A343 has been WFU, which one is this?

HB-JMI hasn't flown since 3rd April

viasa · Fri Apr 15, 2016 10:12 am

Quoting bmibaby737 (Reply 11):

Quoting Dalce (Reply 10):
BTW, according LX intranet fleet update, 1 A343 has been WFU, which one is this?

HB-JMI hasn't flown since 3rd April

Afaik the first to leave the fleet must bee HB-JMO (former Air Canada). Has not flown since five days. The 2nd must bei HB-JMN (also former Air Canada). HB-JMI (youngest LX A340) must be under maintenance in ZRH. As both 77W (HB-JNA and HB-JNB) were now active on long haul flights, LX has not too many planes

[also HB-JMJ has not been active since two days].

viasa · Fri Apr 15, 2016 9:15 pm

In a Swiss aviation forum someone says, that HB-JMO is stored in ZRH without logo and paintet out Swiss cross.

LSZH34 · Fri Apr 15, 2016 9:51 pm

Quoting viasa (Reply 13):

Correct.

HB-JMO had its last revenue flight on 10APR16 as LX179, SIN-ZRH. Next to follow is -JMN in MAY16.

3rd B77W, HB-JNC had its first flight two days ago.

SR380 · Sat Apr 16, 2016 2:47 pm

Indeed. Swiss.com only shows 14 A340. Why is WK only getting it in Oct then?

bmibaby737 · Sat Apr 16, 2016 3:43 pm

Quoting SR380 (Reply 15):
Indeed. Swiss.com only shows 14 A340. Why is WK only getting it in Oct then?

Ain't the ones for Edelweiss HB-JMF, HB-JMG and HB-JMH?

LSZH34 · Sat Apr 16, 2016 4:12 pm

Quoting SR380 (Reply 15):
Why is WK only getting it in Oct then?

Because LX needs the rest of the A340 until the first 6 B77W are here. -JMJ to -JMO are leased and 15+ years old and it would not make sense to give them to WK.

SpaceshipDC10 · Sat Apr 16, 2016 5:09 pm

Quoting bmibaby737 (Reply 16):
Ain't the ones for Edelweiss HB-JMF, HB-JMG and HB-JMH?

Almost: http://www.planespotters.net/product...rbus&type=A340&fleetStatus=current

Quoting SR380 (Reply 15):
Why is WK only getting it in Oct then?

Those will be the brand new delivered to LX.

Quoting SR380 (Reply 15):
Swiss.com only shows 14 A340.

One seems to be stored.

Quoting LSZH34 (Reply 17):
-JMJ to -JMO are leased and 15+ years old and it would not make sense to give them to WK.

In fact between 17 and 19+.

LX8626 · Sat Apr 16, 2016 9:35 pm

Quoting viasa (Reply 13):
In a Swiss aviation forum someone says, that HB-JMO is stored in ZRH without logo and paintet out Swiss cross.

Correct. Will leave ZRH on April 30th.

Quoting LSZH34 (Reply 14):
Next to follow is -JMN in MAY16

No!
JML is the next one in May 2016.
JMN will be phased out in June 2016.

LSZH34 · Sat Apr 16, 2016 9:51 pm

Quoting LX8626 (Reply 19):

My bad. Got a wrong source then

LX8626 · Sat Apr 16, 2016 10:07 pm

Quoting SR380 (Reply 15):
Why is WK only getting it in Oct then?

They don't need the capacity so far.
The first EDW A340 will have full EDW Cabin by end of November 2016 and start service last week of November.
First week of December IQI will leave the fleet.

So for WS16/17 EDW will have 2x A330-300 and 1x A340-300.

Second EDW A340 will be in service beginning SS17.

LSZH34 · Sun Apr 17, 2016 8:43 pm

LX14 returned to ZRH today after a hydraulic failure

http://avherald.com/h?article=49705b42&opt=0

LSZH34 · Wed Apr 20, 2016 10:32 pm

HB-JND (LN 1400) getting ready...

Source: http://mobile.twitter.com/PlanesAtPaine/status/721904258023469057

LX8626 · Thu Apr 21, 2016 5:20 am

SWISS Fleet rollover update:

HB-JNC will arrive in ZRH on the 29th of April at around 08:00 (LT)
HB-JMO will leave ZRH on the 30th of April at around 08:00 (LT)

(all dates and times according today's schedule and may be changed during the next days)

SR380 · Thu Apr 21, 2016 6:39 am

Is HB-JMO flying off to VCV?

runway23 · Thu Apr 21, 2016 7:00 am

SWISS' Press Release regarding the CS-100 EIS. First routes CDG (starting July 15), MAN, PRG, BUD. Then WAW, BRU, NCE, STR, HAJ, MXP, FLR, OTP. LCY in Q1/2017. Weird not to even see a single rotation to GVA.

DALCE · Thu Apr 21, 2016 7:42 am

GVA will definitely see the CS1 quite soon after EIS. This is just a preliminary schedule and still subject to change.
Good to see a more fixed delivery schedule and EIS date.

LX8626 · Thu Apr 21, 2016 8:11 am

Quoting SR380 (Reply 25):
Is HB-JMO flying off to VCV?

No, she doesn't.

DALCE · Thu Apr 21, 2016 8:22 am

HB-JMO will go to LDE

runway23 · Thu Apr 21, 2016 8:32 am

Quoting Dalce (Reply 27):
GVA will definitely see the CS1 quite soon after EIS. This is just a preliminary schedule and still subject to change.
Good to see a more fixed delivery schedule and EIS date.

I was basing on the press release, but I've seen at least one evening flight on ZRH-GVA loaded as a CS1.

GVA as a base is supposed to transition from Airbus to CS, although Swiss didn't mention that in their press release or give any timeframe.

IwantaBBJ · Thu Apr 21, 2016 1:56 pm

Quoting runway23 (Reply 26):
LCY in Q1/2017

Gives a time-frame until when the C Series has to be certified for LCY... or is it already certified for that airport?

runway23 · Thu Apr 21, 2016 2:03 pm

Quoting IwantaBBJ (Reply 31):
Gives a time-frame until when the C Series has to be certified for LCY... or is it already certified for that airport?

I don't think the CS100 has even landed at LCY at this point. Certification will come afterwards (heck it isn't even EASA certified yet...)

PhilInBRN · Thu Apr 21, 2016 9:57 pm

Quoting runway23 (Reply 30):
GVA as a base is supposed to transition from Airbus to CS, although Swiss didn't mention that in their press release or give any timeframe.

I would think that LX's first priority when they first receive the CS100 is to quickly replace the Avros. Since most RJ100 routes are from ZRH you will see the bulk of CS100 operations in the beginning at ZRH.

LSZH34 · Thu Apr 28, 2016 9:20 pm

As expected, HB-JNC being delivered right now. ETA 8AM local time.

http://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/lx7531

DALCE · Fri Apr 29, 2016 7:58 am

Quoting PhilInBRN (Reply 33):
I would think that LX's first priority when they first receive the CS100 is to quickly replace the Avros. Since most RJ100 routes are from ZRH you will see the bulk of CS100 operations in the beginning at ZRH.

yes, and the leased Helvetic F100's. The E90's are to stay for the time being.

LSZH34 · Fri May 06, 2016 9:40 pm

#4 on a B1 flight right now!

http://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/hb-jnd

factsonly · Fri May 13, 2016 2:35 pm

An IBERIA A340-600 on its way to ZRH today - Friday 13 May 2016:

- IB3474 MAD-ZRH dep. 15:45 - arr. 17:55 Airbus A340-642 - EC-JBA

SR380 · Fri May 13, 2016 3:09 pm

It not uncommon for IB to operate widebodies in GVA these days. I saw a A343 and A330 a few days ago. I wonder why? Is there that much demand?

PhilInBRN · Fri May 13, 2016 4:15 pm

This is the fourth widebody flight by IB within a week and the third on a A346. Either there is very stromg demand around these holiday weekends or IB is just looking to better utilize their longhaul fleet by adding some European flights. In GVA this has become a rather common occurence, as SR380 already mentioned.

LXA340 · Fri May 13, 2016 9:30 pm

LX seems to have operational issues with their LX018/019 EWR flights, they lately were quite a few times heavily delayed like today or got cancelled.

LSZH34 · Fri May 13, 2016 10:14 pm

Quoting LXA340 (Reply 40):
LX seems to have operational issues with their LX018/019 EWR flights, they lately were quite a few times heavily delayed like today or got cancelled

I noticed that too and it's always this flight that gets delayed until 9PM.

RJ100 · Sat May 14, 2016 12:52 pm

Next wednesday Basel will be host of the Uefa Europa league final between Liverpool and Sevilla FC.

EuroAirport expects more than 80 charter flights to bring in fans. Highlights among them are certainly 2 Wamos 747-400, Virgin Arlantic A330, 2 Privilege Style 777, Thomas Cook, Orbest and Air Europa A330, 2 Azores A310 and many others. A full list of all flights can be found on bsl-mlh-planes.net.

The airport is slot regulated during this day, night curfew has been lifted (most flights return between 0100 and 0400 in the morning) and one runway will be used to park the aircraft.

LX8626 · Sat May 14, 2016 3:27 pm

Quoting SR380 (Reply 38):
I wonder why? Is there that much demand?

Crew Training!
IB currently operates a lot of widebodys within Europe.

SR380 · Sun May 15, 2016 6:55 am

For those of you that are interested in seems that Air Atlanta Icelandic 744 "Iron Maden" will be in Geneva as the group is playing at Paleo Festival on July the 20th. Although I don't know the exact ETA.

LSZH34 · Tue May 24, 2016 4:35 pm

HB-JND on a B2(?) flight now:

http://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/hb-jnd

NH203 · Tue May 24, 2016 4:45 pm

Anyone knows what the technical problem with todays Cathay service to HKG is? The aircraft is still sitting in ZRH.

LSZH34 · Wed May 25, 2016 1:49 pm

Quoting LSZH34 (Reply 45):

HB-JND on a B2(?) flight now

Was a C1 and -JND is now ready for delivery.

http://mobile.twitter.com/mattcawby/status/735180094826631168

@LX8626: Do you have an ETA?

LSZH34 · Sat May 28, 2016 9:50 am

First LX CS100 painted:

http://news.commercialaircraft.bomba...aircraft-gets-a-cosmetic-makeover/

HB-JML days are counted:

http://mobile.twitter.com/Easyspotti.../status/736252942114787328/photo/1

LX8626 · Sat May 28, 2016 6:09 pm

Quoting LSZH34 (Reply 47):
@LX8626: Do you have an ETA?

Of course

Planned is: ETA 31st May 04:30Z or 06:30 LT

Quoting LSZH34 (Reply 48):
HB-JML days are counted:

JML will leave the same day JND arrives.
Planned is: ETD 31st May 06:30Z or 08:30 LT

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