Quoting B757capt (Reply 215): It's sad JFK isn't seeing more love from AA. |
And no PHL either, which also has a large ethnic Cuban population.
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Quoting HPRamper (Reply 237): . DL is attempting to capture the not-insignificant NYC-area traffic which also likely includes the highest-yielding business traffic - |
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 252): I assure you the "highest yield business traffic" to Cuba will come from Miami. |
Quoting DolphinAir747 (Reply 253): Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 252): I assure you the "highest yield business traffic" to Cuba will come from Miami. The business traffic to Cuba will be limited. It's not a great environment to operate in and most of the worthwhile economic potential is already in the hands of companies from Europe, Canada, China etc. |
Quoting threeifbyair (Reply 247): LAX is a long shot to me. Who knows though. |
Quoting crAAzy (Reply 249): one could argue that those 2 TPA-HAV and 2 MCO-HAV non-stop flights would be better utilized, promote greater competition, offer more one stop connections and serve the public better as HAV-FLL flights. |
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 252): I assure you the "highest yield business traffic" to Cuba will come from Miami. |
Quoting commavia (Reply 251): What I would like to see for HAV: Alaska - 1x LAX American - 6x MIA JetBlue - 3x FLL, 2x JFK Delta - 1x JFK, 1x ATL, 1x MIA Spirit - 1x FLL United - 1x EWR Southwest - 1x FLL, 1x MCO, 1x TPA |
Quoting ScottB (Reply 257): I don't think that's too far off, except I expect the MIA/FLL frequencies to be divided up more evenly, and I think F9/EA/FX also end up with frequencies. I don't think any carrier gets more than 2 or 3 MIA/FLL-HAV frequencies. I also expect a bit more geographic diversity with potentially CLT & DFW getting a frequency. |
Quoting crAAzy (Reply 249): promote greater competition, offer more one stop connections and serve the public better as HAV-FLL flights. |
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Quoting a380787 (Reply 261): If the whole point of the allocation is just to serve the VFR, then there's nothing gained other than what existing charters can't do already. |
Quoting guyanam (Reply 260): I can see AS being ignored as they lack service to the Caribbean 2x daily from LAX is way over kill, maybe showing that they don't know the market. It will be AA and DL or AA and F9 on the MIA HAV. Not both. |
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Quoting flymia (Reply 217): AA's application has an interesting point, if MIA does not get at least 7-8 frequencies (of course AA wants them all) they will be worse off now, then they were with charters as MIA average 7.3 daily flights between MIA-HAV. |
Quoting rwsea (Reply 263): I think AS stands a chance based on their history of successfully serving Mexico from LAX, their growing network in Central America, and the fact that they made the only application from the Western US... a massive region that will certainly drive some traffic to Havana. |
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 148): Daily or weekly? Twice daily service is ridiculous. |
Quoting crAAzy (Reply 226): LA HABANA (HAV) AA MIA 5 DL MIA 2 B6 FLL 3 WN FLL 3 UA EWR 1 B6 JFK 1 DL JFK 1 AS LAX 1 DL ATL 1 AA CLT 1 AA DFW 1 |
Quoting commavia (Reply 251): United - 1x EWR |
Quoting guyanam (Reply 260): I can see AS being ignored as they lack service to the Caribbean 2x daily from LAX is way over kill, maybe showing that they don't know the market |
Quoting guyanam (Reply 264): Every one involved in merely positioning themselves so they won't be locked out when the market really opens. |
Quoting eta unknown (Reply 270): Question: if these are scheduled services, how are the airlines going to enforce the no-tourism permitted restriction during the visa process? Question 2: at airport check-in (let's assume on-line check-in is restricted for Cuban flights), what other than tourism documentation needs to be produced? Question 3: it is illegal for US citizens to visit Cuba for tourism, but what happens when a UK national buys a ticket? The tourism restrictions are on the individual, not the airline. |
Quoting wwtraveler99 (Reply 272): Who thinks WN will walk away from service to HAV? |
Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 273): I think 3M has made a bold move. I wish them luck |
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Quoting guyanam (Reply 276): Willing to bet that seats to Cuba onus carriers will have to be booked via a travel agent, or a wholesaler, to allow compliance with US laws. |
Quoting DolphinAir747 (Reply 253): and most of the worthwhile economic potential is already in the hands of companies from Europe, Canada, China etc. |
Quoting rwsea (Reply 263): The last time I checked, CUN is in the Caribbean. |
Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 284): CUN is technically the Gulf, it's right before the Caribbean Sea begins. |
Quoting commavia (Reply 282): "These proposals are based on the premise that hundreds of thousands of Cuban Americans living in Miami-Dade County should be inconvenienced by having to travel to Broward County for scheduled service to Cuba. |
Quoting commavia (Reply 282): "The nine HAV frequencies requested by Southwest cover three of the U.S. gateways also requested by JetBlue, and these requests suffer from the same flaw: They are divorced from demographic and charter traffic reality. Moreover, Southwest’s minimal international operations from Florida and lack of experience in operating charter flights to Cuba make it particularly unsuited for its requested HAV frequencies." |
Quoting ScottB (Reply 285): One would imagine that AS's request for LAX-HAV ought to be denied for virtually the same set of reasons... |
Quoting commavia (Reply 282): It seems like every sense the SEA/LAX-HND proceeding ("Seatless in Seattle"), AA has taken a much more direct and aggressive approach to applications/answers/replies. |
Quoting crazytoaster (Reply 287): Mainly attacks AA at MIA but also goes through all the other carrier proposals. Pretty interesting analysis |
Quoting eta unknown (Reply 270): Question: if these are scheduled services, how are the airlines going to enforce the no-tourism permitted restriction during the visa process? |
Quoting eta unknown (Reply 270): Question 2: at airport check-in (let's assume on-line check-in is restricted for Cuban flights), what other than tourism documentation needs to be produced? |
Quoting eta unknown (Reply 270): Question 3: it is illegal for US citizens to visit Cuba for tourism, but what happens when a UK national buys a ticket? The tourism restrictions are on the individual, not the airline. |
Quoting ScottB (Reply 285): Plenty of folks will suffer all manner of inconvenience to save money... |
Quoting ScottB (Reply 285): One would imagine that AS's request for LAX-HAV ought to be denied for virtually the same set of reasons... |
Quoting crazytoaster (Reply 287): III. As Between Fort Lauderdale and Miami, FLL Will Be the Airport Preferred by Most Cuban American Travelers from South Florida. |
Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 289): And Americans can go to Cuba for tourism now. |
Quoting OB1504 (Reply 290): Not a problem. The airline will sell a ticket to whoever wants to buy one and then deny boarding on the day of departure if the passenger doesn't meet their destination country's entry requirements. |
Quoting crazytoaster (Reply 287): III. As Between Fort Lauderdale and Miami, FLL Will Be the Airport Preferred by Most Cuban American Travelers from South Florida. IV. American Airlines’ Service Proposal Fails to Maximize Consumer Benefits and Warrants Only a Fraction of its Excessive MIA Frequency Request. |
Quoting OB1504 (Reply 290): AA conveniently ignored that since they applied for the same route. |
Quoting OB1504 (Reply 290): Quoting ScottB (Reply 285): One would imagine that AS's request for LAX-HAV ought to be denied for virtually the same set of reasons... AA conveniently ignored that since they applied for the same route. |
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Quoting commavia (Reply 293): Ft. Lauderdale/Miami has long been considered a single airline market served by two airports |
Quoting guyanam (Reply 295): I am not sure that DL has a strong following in SoFL either. |
Quoting guyanam (Reply 295): if AA has higher fares out of MIA, than B6/WN have out of FLL then some passengers will use FLL. |
Quoting guyanam (Reply 295): You cannot cite charters as evidence, as charters depart from where ever the operator choses to operate from. Market driven economics will impact more once scheduled flights are available. |
Quoting OB1504 (Reply 290): Quoting eta unknown (Reply 270): Question: if these are scheduled services, how are the airlines going to enforce the no-tourism permitted restriction during the visa process? Just have the passenger present their permit or letter or whatever it is at check-in, then have the documents double-checked prior to boarding at the gateway city, same as what they do now with the charters. |
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