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Quoting tortugamon (Thread starter): Boeing also is studying a less-expensive option that would be ready sooner. The design features new wings and stretches the 737's body to seat up to 245 passengers and adds taller landing gear to make room for larger engines, said people familiar with the studies. |
Quoting parapente (Reply 1): "Customers are pushing for an all-new jet, bigger than the Max but smaller than the Dreamliner. Its called the A321 NEO (+LR if required) |
Quoting CX747 (Reply 3): I for one would like to see an all new design and not a growth of the 737 platform. |
Quoting mat66 (Reply 5): A 9MAX LR and 10MAX at 46-47m (757-200) length ? |
Quoting mat66 (Reply 5): VERY interesting and not easy for Airbus to answer to. Bring it on Boeing |
Quoting Revelation (Reply 4): Very interesting. It's basically repeating the process of the 777X: replace the old wing and center section and stretch the fuse. Keep the systems so that all the customers don't have to retrain pilots and so FAA treats it as just another 737. |
Quoting CX747 (Reply 3): ALL NEW means not a 737 or A321!!!! |
Quoting tortugamon (Reply 7): If we take the max A321neo seating (220 I believe) this would be at least 10% larger that that. |
Quoting tortugamon (Reply 7): Yep that sounds about right. |
Quoting Revelation (Reply 8): Which also means more money, a longer FAA certification process, more training for airline and Boeing employees. |
Quoting kelvin933 (Reply 12): If you keep the 737 fuselage and replace the wings, engines, MLG and cockpit the certification costs are going to hit the same level as a new aircraft, nothing will be reusable from the 737 certificate. |
Quoting kelvin933 (Reply 12): Of course the resulting aircraft will not be able to use LD3-45 ULDs, it will still have 737 like ergonomics and the turnaround times for LCCs will not be competitive with the A321. |
Quoting tortugamon (Thread starter): I believe the piece about using the 737 MAX body is something that we haven't heard yet. Taller gear, new presumably bigger wing and larger engines on a 737 body - sounds like a 757-esque plane to me. I presume they would need about 7 years to get it from launch to EIS so the earliest we could see this in 2023. |
Quoting Revelation (Reply 4): Very interesting. It's basically repeating the process of the 777 |
Quoting seahawk (Reply 20): If you stretch the 737, add a new wing and landing gear, it is a 757. I still wonder what is wrong with a 757NEO? The fuselage design was sound, the landing gear was sound. Add a new wing and engines and you are done. |
Quoting tortugamon (Thread starter): Boeing also is studying a less-expensive option that would be ready sooner. The design features new wings and stretches the 737's body to seat up to 245 passengers and adds taller landing gear to make room for larger engines, said people familiar with the studies." |
Quoting tortugamon (Thread starter): I believe the piece about using the 737 MAX body is something that we haven't heard yet. Taller gear, new presumably bigger wing and larger engines on a 737 body - sounds like a 757-esque plane to me. |
Quoting seahawk (Reply 20): I still wonder what is wrong with a 757NEO? |
Quoting lostsound (Reply 26): I would love to see what Boeing does with an NSA. Couldn't Boeing plan their whole new narrow-body replacement fleet and just release the 757-esque aircraft in the line up first? |
Quoting Revelation (Reply 11): Let's hope they get the C of G stabilized so they don't end up with an a/c that sits on its tail! |
Quoting mat66 (Reply 17): Either way too big for WN. There is a chance of cockpit changes |
Quoting seahawk (Reply 20): If you stretch the 737, add a new wing and landing gear, it is a 757. I still wonder what is wrong with a 757NEO? The fuselage design was sound, the landing gear was sound. Add a new wing and engines and you are done. |
Quoting Boeing778X (Reply 22): The point is to blow the A321neo out of the water with the MoM. Therefore, why not make it as wide? Besides, do you really expect Boeing to make the 737 forever? NLT/MoM by 2023, NSA by 2030, I'll leave it at that! |
Quoting NWAROOSTER (Reply 23): I think the only ones that want a longer 737 is the Aneters and it is just a pipe dream |
Quoting kelvin933 (Reply 12): it will still have 737 like ergonomics and the turnaround times for LCCs will not be competitive with the A321. |
Quoting scbriml (Reply 27): Yet Boeing decided against those things for MAX. Why would they now do it for what would effectively be one single MAX sub-type? Doesn't make sense to me. |
Quoting enzo011 (Reply 16): Seems like they aren't jumping on a new design |
Quoting mat66 (Reply 17): A 10 max with new and bigger wing would probably have the A321 LR range without the fuel containers = less weight and more fish. |
Quoting WIederling (Reply 19): 777 started out as an FBW design already. |
Quoting lostsound (Reply 26): Stretch the 737 even more and imo it's just going to look ridiculous. Might as well just bring back the 707! |
Quoting lostsound (Reply 26): Also, count me out as a passenger, have yet to fly on a 737NG that isn't cramped on the sides and doesn't break your neck to look out the window. |
Quoting scbriml (Reply 27): Why would they now do it for what would effectively be one single MAX sub-type? |
Quoting tortugamon (Thread starter): The design features new wings and stretches the 737's body to seat up to 245 passengers and adds taller landing gear to make room for larger engines, |
Quoting columba (Reply 2): keep the classic 737 nose like it was originally planned on the 757 |
Quoting kelvin933 (Reply 21): What is wrong with it is the narrow fuselage, the lack of a standard ULD, long disembark times because of the narrow fuselage and the 757 is a heavy aircraft for the number of passengers it carries. |
Quoting tortugamon (Reply 29): Well I think the wing is key and the max is getting some improvements that a 757neo wouldn't necessarily have automatically. I suspect there is some benefit to starting with the MAX and go from there over pulling out old 757 designs. Could be wrong. A new wing for the long haul flying would be key. |
Quoting scbriml (Reply 27): Yet Boeing decided against those things for MAX. Why would they now do it for what would effectively be one single MAX sub-type? Doesn't make sense to me. |
Quoting tortugamon (Reply 29): I would be very surprised if WN was not heavily consulted about these developments. I see this aircraft being well positioned for those airlines that operate 100% narrow body aircraft and are heavily resistent to jumping to 767s/A330s/787s WN included. |
Quoting seahawk (Reply 32): And in what way would a stretched 737 fuselage be better? |
Quoting seahawk (Reply 20): I still wonder what is wrong with a 757NEO? |
Quoting JerseyFlyer (Reply 31): nose was to fit a 767 cockpit (the reason it sits lower in the fuselage than on the 737) to allow dual certification for 757 / 767 pilots - no longer relevant so 737 nose should be fine. |
Quoting Amiga500 (Reply 40): #1 All new MoM Adv: Better efficiency than A321, but not markedly so where they would directly compete. Could lay groundwork for NSA. Disadv: Will cost a lot more than A321 to build initially, airlines unlikely to pay premium, meaning many years assembly line losses never mind R&D. |
Quoting Revelation (Reply 42): Disadvantage: Not going to be a 737 family member so airlines will need to re-train pilots, FAs and mechanics and write off 737 spares. Disadvantage: No longer the incumbent so easier to lose out to competitors. |
Quoting tortugamon (Thread starter): I believe the piece about using the 737 MAX body is something that we haven't heard yet. Taller gear, new presumably bigger wing and larger engines on a 737 body - sounds like a 757-esque plane to me. |
Quoting lostsound (Reply 26): Also, count me out as a passenger, have yet to fly on a 737NG that isn't cramped on the sides and doesn't break your neck to look out the window. |
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 44): As we have repeatedly established on this site, the cabin cross-section of the 737 is 100% identical to that of the 757. This is not an opinion, it is a fact. Boeing has the measurements publicly available. |
Quoting kelvin933 (Reply 45): Yes they are equal in width but the floor of the cabin is placed differently inside the tube, the result is that the window seats on the 737 are cramped compared to the 757. |
Quoting tortugamon (Reply 29): Quoting Revelation (Reply 11): Let's hope they get the C of G stabilized so they don't end up with an a/c that sits on its tail! I feel like I don't see that happen that often on narrow body aircraft. |