Qatar Airways S16 Operation Changes

Miami · Wed Dec 30, 2015 5:16 am

Title says it all.

Updated changes as of today (December 30th).

Quote:
Doha – Amsterdam eff 27MAR16 777-300ER replaces 787-8, daily.
Doha – Bangalore eff 01JUL16 777-200LR replaces -300ER, daily
Doha – Cape Town Daily service will be maintained for entire Northern summer season, instead of planned 5 weekly. Boeing 787-8 service
Doha – Dallas eff 01JUL16 777-300ER replaces -200LR, daily
Doha – Islamabad eff 27MAR16 QR632/633 operates with 777-300ER, replacing A330-200
Doha – Lahore eff 01JUL16 QR620/621 operates with 777-300ER, replacing -200LR
Doha – Manchester
eff 27MAR16 All 14 weekly service operates with A330-300, replacing -200.
eff 02MAY16 Planned increases to 16 weekly remains unchanged, however new service will also be operated by A330-300, instead of 787-8

Doha – Mumbai eff 01AUG16 777-200LR replaces -300ER, daily
Doha – Tunis 01JUN16 – 30SEP16 Peak season service operates with 787-8 once again, replacing A320
Doha – Vienna eff 01JUL16 Planned service increase from 7 to 12 weekly will be in effect until 30SEP16. The effective period was not mentioned earlier this week

In addition, the airline will introduce new configuration on board Boeing 777-300ER, which sees the airline moving to 3-4-3 layout in Economy Class, instead of 3-3-3. The airline will gradually move from 335-seater (J42Y293) to 358-seater (J42Y316) and from 380-seater (J24Y356) to 412-seater (J24Y388).

eff 27MAR16 412-seater 777-300ER operates following routes:
Doha – Amman
Doha – Amsterdam
Doha – Jakarta
Doha – Manila
Doha – Paris CDG

eff 01JUL16 358-seater 777-300ER operates following routes:
Doha – Dallas
Doha – Lahore
Doha – Melbourne
Doha – Miami
Doha – Washington Dulles

http://airlineroute.net/2015/12/30/qr-s16update1/?platform=hootsuite

Thanks to airlineroute for the info.

-Miami

[Edited 2015-12-29 21:25:09]

jetblue1965 · Wed Dec 30, 2015 5:30 am

So QR finally gave into competitive pressure and doing 3-4-3 on their 777... One less reason to fly them.

IndianicWorld · Wed Dec 30, 2015 5:41 am

With Qatar's government budget deficit growing I can see QR starting to become even more business minded. It had its years to build prestige over commercial reality and now it will likely have to start paying its way.

The move to the 10-abreast was always going to come, but on longer routes it will certainly be less desirable outcome for pax.

CXfirst · Wed Dec 30, 2015 6:42 am

Some of those 358-seat 77W routes are very long!

Quoting jetblue1965 (Reply 1):
One less reason to fly them.

I found their 77W somewhat comfortable, although 787 uncomfortable, but would be happy to fly them Australia-Doh-Europe, even if the last leg was 787. I'm a little more inclined to check out my options now.

-CXfirst

anstar · Wed Dec 30, 2015 7:36 am

Wow - that will be a big capacity increase for routes going from 787 to 77W (ie AMS)

Any news if the 77W's will also get a refresh in business to replace the slanty slopey seats with the same product on the 380/787 and refreshed 330's?

GRJGeorge · Wed Dec 30, 2015 8:39 am

Maputo (MPM) going own nonstop flight 3 weekly, leaving a gap again for one of the JNB flights to add a different tag.
The first DOH-JNB flight is own terminator flight and return, then the other one get split between 4 weekly tag-on to DUR and 3 weekly tag-on to MPM.
Is it possible that DUR could go daily tag-on or where else could they tag then. There's been mention over the last year that QR might start HRE, however that is a backtrack coming from DOH and the JNB-HRE sector is somewhat longer than what DUR and MPM is. Only shorter option is GBE, however not sure if the market is big enough.

behramjee · Wed Dec 30, 2015 12:15 pm

The capacity increase on AMS (HD B77W) is an obvious rebuttal to EK's planned double daily A380 operation in S16 for which they got recently Dutch Ministry approval.

I find it very strange that a capacity restricted route with ultra high demand such as DOH-BOM is being reduced from a B77W to a B77L !

The capacity increases on LHE + ISB are justified fully as is the high density B77W used on CGK + MNL.

16 weekly 305 seater A333s to MAN shall be interesting to monitor S/F wise during the S16 season.

By the way since QR's A332s and A333s are also getting pure flat bed seats in business class, does anyone else know of their new configuration layout?

B8887 · Wed Dec 30, 2015 12:49 pm

Interesting stuff.

Too bad no upgauge or more frequency for BRU.

No major changes for major hubs such as LON or CDG.

Slight increase in capacity for DFW.

Regards.

B8887

bastew · Wed Dec 30, 2015 1:10 pm

Did I also read somewhere that QR are switching from a 320 to a 330 on DOH-WAW?

enilria · Wed Dec 30, 2015 2:14 pm

Quoting B8887 (Reply 7):
Slight increase in capacity for DFW.

Quoting Miami (Thread starter):
Doha – Dallas eff 01JUL16 777-300ER replaces -200LR, daily

The last thing that market needs is more capacity.

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 2):

With Qatar's government budget deficit growing

I wouldn't worry too much about that...

YouGeeElWhy · Wed Dec 30, 2015 2:32 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 9):

Quoting B8887 (Reply 7):
Slight increase in capacity for DFW.
Quoting Miami (Thread starter):
Doha – Dallas eff 01JUL16 777-300ER replaces -200LR, daily

The last thing that market needs is more capacity.

It does need WiFi, which it will have with these new reconfigured planes.

flyingfool · Wed Dec 30, 2015 2:49 pm

Quoting B8887 (Reply 7):
No major changes for major hubs such as LON or CDG.

As you can read they did changes at major hubs, as example: AMS will be upgauged from 788 to 77W

lukeyboy95 · Wed Dec 30, 2015 3:22 pm

It's a separate thing, but has Dar Es Salaam been reduced officially according to the schedules or is this just a temporary operational thing?

It appeared to be twice daily, but they have removed some of the earlier (dept DOH 01.40) frequencies.

LondonCity · Wed Dec 30, 2015 7:59 pm

Quoting jetblue1965 (Reply 1):
So QR finally gave into competitive pressure and doing 3-4-3 on their 777... One less reason to fly them.

In fact the news broke in early August.

http://www.businesstraveller.com/new...ways-joins-the-b777-10-across-club

thomasphoto60 · Wed Dec 30, 2015 8:22 pm

Surprised to see no changes for IAH.

AABB777 · Wed Dec 30, 2015 11:39 pm

Quoting behramjee (Reply 6):
it very strange that a capacity restricted route with ultra high demand such as DOH-BOM is being reduced from a B77W to a B77L !

Keep in mind that Qatar's bilateral with India is based on seats. With QR launching NAG they may need to reduce existing capacity on another route.

behramjee · Wed Dec 30, 2015 11:44 pm

Quoting AABB777 (Reply 15):
Keep in mind that Qatar's bilateral with India is based on seats. With QR launching NAG they may need to reduce existing capacity on another route.

Yes I am fully aware of that but NAG has already been launched and DOH-BOM is still on a daily B77W which means it can survive as per present allocation. They should have downgraded another route but definitely not BOM !

Miami · Thu Dec 31, 2015 12:13 am

Not for the Summer but...

Quote:
QATAR Airways' new 358-seater 777-300ER (Economy 3-4-3 layout) to operate New York JFK service from 01JAN16 to 29FEB16

www.twitter.com/airlineroute/status/682217406866010113

[Edited 2015-12-30 16:13:43]

aerorobnz · Thu Dec 31, 2015 12:35 am

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 3):
I found their 77W somewhat comfortable,

They aren't bad in 3-3-3. I would fly that config again or the A330/A350/A380 with QR, however given how often they substitute their aircraft up and down between 333/787/359/777 I feel somewhat reluctant to book with them now with the added risk of getting a 3-4-3 777 in the mix.

Ytraveller · Thu Dec 31, 2015 12:43 am

DOH-BLR has been interesting to watch. It's gone from A320 > B788 > B77W > now B77L.

smi0006 · Thu Dec 31, 2015 2:35 am

Quoting behramjee (Reply 6):
By the way since QR's A332s and A333s are also getting pure flat bed seats in business class, does anyone else know of their new configuration layout?

Which seats will they use? 787/A350, or A320 lay flats? Still suprises me the 777 have such old seats, and they fly some of the longest most competative routes.

upwardfacing · Thu Dec 31, 2015 3:40 am

Quoting behramjee (Reply 16):
Yes I am fully aware of that but NAG has already been launched and DOH-BOM is still on a daily B77W which means it can survive as per present allocation. They should have downgraded another route but definitely not BOM !

Maybe they are trying to create space within the bilateral for additional BOM (and possibly BLR) frequencies?

ktachiya · Thu Dec 31, 2015 5:08 am

So KIX is the only route they are axing? I wonder if the Japanese Authorities are pressuring them to axe NRT because KIX was the main reason they got the slots in NRT.

MaverickM11 · Thu Dec 31, 2015 2:05 pm

10 abreast in Y and the same crap J or are they updating the J seat on the new 77W config?

Qatara340 · Fri Jan 01, 2016 5:26 am

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 23):
10 abreast in Y and the same crap J or are they updating the J seat on the new 77W config?

The J seats in the 777's are certainly NOT crap. They are still current generation and miles ahead of other notable carriers. They are 6 abreast compared to 7 on other carriers, which means they are wider. They also have a huge seat pitch, which makes the J cabin more open and bigger.

Quoting ktachiya (Reply 22):
So KIX is the only route they are axing? I wonder if the Japanese Authorities are pressuring them to axe NRT because KIX was the main reason they got the slots in NRT.

So far no news on axing other Japanese ports.

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 20):
Still suprises me the 777 have such old seats, and they fly some of the longest most competative routes.

A new J class will be announced this year (2016) but we still don't know when it will be fitted in the 777's yet. These seats will be identical to those in the A350-1000.

P206 · Fri Jan 01, 2016 9:16 am

QR also boosts service to ZAG to twice daily on selected days http://www.exyuaviation.com/p/qatar-...ways-boosts-zagreb-service_24.html

by738 · Fri Jan 01, 2016 10:59 am

with relatively low load factors, mostly

[Edited 2016-01-01 03:01:45]

MaverickM11 · Fri Jan 01, 2016 3:10 pm

Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 24):
The J seats in the 777's are certainly NOT crap.

They're pretty crap if you have to spend 16 hours in them, especially considering the marketing effort that QR puts into service PR.

karan69 · Sun Jan 03, 2016 8:47 am

Guys any updates on the 346 routes for Qatar airways.

They are doing CMB and KUL till March 2016,

But I can't seem to find them on regular schedule in Summer 2016

Regards/

Karan

frigatebird · Sun Jan 03, 2016 6:13 pm

Quoting behramjee (Reply 6):

The capacity increase on AMS (HD B77W) is an obvious rebuttal to EK's planned double daily A380 operation in S16 for which they got recently Dutch Ministry approval.

I was kind of surprised to see such a capacity increase here, from a 257 seat 788 to a 412 seat 77W. Is QR doing better than expected at AMS? They started just half a year ago... Or is this a result of the Dutch government refusing QR a second daily slot at AMS? It looks a bit like something typical of AAB when he doesn't get what he wants, just to get back at the Dutch, hurting KL with some severe capacity dumping.

I realize MH leaving AMS leaves a bit of a gap, but you'd expect EY to fill it. But it seems EY's load factors on their A332 flights to AMS are not so brilliant (between 60 and 70% I heard).

And with EK throwing in a 2nd A380 (perhaps even a 2 class one) it's going to be a blood bath.

dubaiamman243 · Mon Jan 11, 2016 10:22 am

Here is an updated list for QR B777 - 10 abreast configuration

eff 27MAR16 412-seater operates following routes:
Doha – Amman
Doha – Amsterdam
Doha – Bangkok – Hanoi *
Doha – Beijing *
Doha – Cairo *
Doha – Denpasar *
Doha – Guangzhou *
Doha – Jakarta
Doha – Manila
Doha – Paris CDG

eff 01JUL16 358-seater operates following routes:
Doha – Chicago *
Doha – Dallas
Doha – Islamabad *
Doha – Jeddah *
Doha – Kuala Lumpur *
Doha – Lahore
Doha – Melbourne
Doha – Miami
Doha – Montreal *
Doha – New York JFK *
Doha – Perth *
Doha – Shanghai Pu Dong *
Doha – Washington Dulles

from airlineroute.net

Qatara340 · Mon Jan 11, 2016 3:44 pm

Quoting frigatebird (Reply 29):
I was kind of surprised to see such a capacity increase here, from a 257 seat 788 to a 412 seat 77W. Is QR doing better than expected at AMS? They started just half a year ago... Or is this a result of the Dutch government refusing QR a second daily slot at AMS? It looks a bit like something typical of AAB when he doesn't get what he wants, just to get back at the Dutch, hurting KL with some severe capacity dumping.

I realize MH leaving AMS leaves a bit of a gap, but you'd expect EY to fill it. But it seems EY's load factors on their A332 flights to AMS are not so brilliant (between 60 and 70% I heard).

And with EK throwing in a 2nd A380 (perhaps even a 2 class one) it's going to be a blood bath.

The capacity jump is amazing. However, A.net love to assume that routes or frequencies are decided by the competitor's moves; but in reality that might have nothing to do with it.

The 77W offers amazing cargo capacity, which will certainly benefit QR. QR can then put the daily 77L Cargo jet from DOH-AMS and use an A332 instead.

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 28):
But I can't seem to find them on regular schedule in Summer 2016

They're back!

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 27):
They're pretty crap if you have to spend 16 hours in them, especially considering the marketing effort that QR puts into service PR.

They're not crap. They may be crap to you, but they are certainly not CRAP.

9w748capt · Mon Jan 11, 2016 3:53 pm

OT but anyone know how DOH-NAG is doing? My parents are from NAG - needless to say they are very intrigued by this route and prolly will be on it sometime in the next few months. My mom was giddy at the possibility of skipping BOM!

frigatebird · Mon Jan 11, 2016 8:26 pm

Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 31):
The 77W offers amazing cargo capacity, which will certainly benefit QR.

That is true, certainly on a 6 hour flight to AMS QR can stuff quite some cargo in a 77W. But its cargo capabilities would even be better with a 9 abreast Y configuration

Quoting 9w748capt (Reply 32):
OT but anyone know how DOH-NAG is doing? My parents are from NAG - needless to say they are very intrigued by this route and prolly will be on it sometime in the next few months. My mom was giddy at the possibility of skipping BOM!

I am looking for flight options from NAG to AMS, and this QR flight from NAG to DOH opens up some possibilities. I will have a choice between 9W NAG-BOM-AMS (B738/A333) or QR NAG-DOH-AMS (A320/77W). QR will probably be a lot cheaper and has a better connection on my way home, but 9W's A333 seems a lot more comfy and has a better connection into India (1 stop to GAU instead of 2 stops with QR).

dubaiamman243 · Wed Jan 13, 2016 10:23 am

Qatar Airways recent changes:

Doha – Bangalore eff 01JUL16 Boeing 777-300ER replaced by Airbus A330-300. Previously the airline planned to operate 777-200LR aircraft
QR572 DOH1910 – 0150+1BLR 333 D
QR573 BLR0340 – 0510DOH 333 D

Doha – Mumbai eff 01AUG16 Boeing 777-300ER replaced by Airbus A330-300. Previously the airline planned to operate 777-200LR aircraft
QR556 DOH2045 – 0240+1BOM 333 D
QR557 BOM0410 – 0455DOH 333 D

from airlineroute.net

dubaiamman243 · Wed Jan 13, 2016 10:25 am

Qatar Airways will be boosting services to Budapest with the addition of 3 new weekly flights. Starting from 03JUL16, service will increase on the route from 7 to 10 weekly.

Operational schedule with Airbus A320 aircraft as follow.

QR199 DOH0635 – 1105BUD 320 D
QR201 DOH1340 – 1810BUD 320 147

QR200 BUD1215 – 1830DOH 320 D
QR202 BUD1910 – 0125+1DOH 320 147

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