Boeing 737 MAX Production Thread - Part 1

ikolkyo · Fri Jul 14, 2017 4:55 pm

Also Lion Air has started 737 MAX operations. First flights were today and it flew 6 flights.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/pk-lqj

StTim · Fri Jul 14, 2017 5:00 pm

More like Edinburgh

ikolkyo · Fri Jul 14, 2017 5:02 pm

StTim wrote:
More like Edinburgh

I just saw it descended into EDI since my last post, wonder what is going on..

Polot · Fri Jul 14, 2017 5:11 pm

ikolkyo wrote:
StTim wrote:
More like Edinburgh

I just saw it descended into EDI since my last post, wonder what is going on..

Training? Positioning? Norwegian was planning on flying SWF-EDI as the inaugural route back in June. Don't know if that changed with the delay.

ikolkyo · Fri Jul 14, 2017 6:30 pm

Got some information on what the Norwegian aircraft were up to.

EI-FYA: Positioned to EDI to operate the first MAX service for Norwegian, it will be NAX1640 EDI-OSL.

EI-FYB: Positioned to BFS to operate tomorrows BFS-SWF service.

Source: https://twitter.com/AirportWebcams/stat ... 3870767105

ikolkyo · Sat Jul 15, 2017 12:13 am

ikolkyo wrote:
Got some information on what the Norwegian aircraft were up to.

EI-FYA: Positioned to EDI to operate the first MAX service for Norwegian, it will be NAX1640 EDI-OSL.

EI-FYB: Positioned to BFS to operate tomorrows BFS-SWF service.

Source: https://twitter.com/AirportWebcams/stat ... 3870767105

Small Correction, EI-FYA will operate EDI-BDL. Both aircraft are heading straight to TATL service.

ADrum23 · Sat Jul 15, 2017 1:09 am

So will WN start using these to fly to Hawaii?

ikolkyo · Sat Jul 15, 2017 4:27 pm

First of 2 aircraft for Norwegian have entered service straight onto TATL flights.
https://www.flightradar24.com/IBK1751/e19fe0d, EI-FYA will follow soon.

PlanesNTrains · Sat Jul 15, 2017 5:31 pm

ikolkyo wrote:
First of 2 aircraft for Norwegian have entered service straight onto TATL flights.
https://www.flightradar24.com/IBK1751/e19fe0d, EI-FYA will follow soon.

Impressive start to their MAX ops.

Oykie · Sat Jul 15, 2017 8:01 pm

PlanesNTrains wrote:
ikolkyo wrote:
First of 2 aircraft for Norwegian have entered service straight onto TATL flights.
https://www.flightradar24.com/IBK1751/e19fe0d, EI-FYA will follow soon.

Impressive start to their MAX ops.

Impressive indeed :-)

opticalilyushin · Sat Jul 15, 2017 10:34 pm

First revenue flight in Europe, Transatlantic and I also safely assume North America for the MAX today, Belfast to Stewart/New York, followed shortly behind by an Edinburgh aircraft. They replace the regular 738s that have been operating the routes with payload restrictions recently. I wonder if the MAX has any restriction in place?

ikolkyo · Sun Jul 16, 2017 8:30 pm

N8703J seems to be flying again, has the aircraft even started rework? I know aircraft #1, 2 and 4 are currently in that phase.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n8703j

hibtastic · Sun Jul 16, 2017 9:25 pm

opticalilyushin wrote:
First revenue flight in Europe, Transatlantic and I also safely assume North America for the MAX today, Belfast to Stewart/New York, followed shortly behind by an Edinburgh aircraft. They replace the regular 738s that have been operating the routes with payload restrictions recently. I wonder if the MAX has any restriction in place?

The DY MAXs aren't ETOPS 180 cleared yet therefore they are taking a much more northerly route between EDI and the US than the 737NG on the other service.

I don't think they are capacity restricted though.

WJtter · Tue Jul 18, 2017 9:00 pm

Norwegian is having two more MAXs delivered today...Currently on-route to OSL. EI-FYC & EI-FYD.

Sooner787 · Tue Jul 18, 2017 9:58 pm

Any updates on when Southwest will take delivery of their new Max's?

ikolkyo · Tue Jul 18, 2017 10:46 pm

WJtter wrote:
Norwegian is having two more MAXs delivered today...Currently on-route to OSL. EI-FYC & EI-FYD.

Indeed, nice to see deliveries start to get rolling.

https://www.flightradar24.com/NAX3L/e237f2f
https://www.flightradar24.com/NAX7M/e243b92

barney captain · Wed Jul 19, 2017 12:20 am

ikolkyo wrote:
WJtter wrote:
Norwegian is having two more MAXs delivered today...Currently on-route to OSL. EI-FYC & EI-FYD.

Indeed, nice to see deliveries start to get rolling.

https://www.flightradar24.com/NAX3L/e237f2f
https://www.flightradar24.com/NAX7M/e243b92

FR shows them going NS BFI-OSL.....even empty with great winds that seems unlikely.

ikolkyo · Wed Jul 19, 2017 12:28 am

barney captain wrote:
ikolkyo wrote:
WJtter wrote:
Norwegian is having two more MAXs delivered today...Currently on-route to OSL. EI-FYC & EI-FYD.

Indeed, nice to see deliveries start to get rolling.

https://www.flightradar24.com/NAX3L/e237f2f
https://www.flightradar24.com/NAX7M/e243b92

FR shows them going NS BFI-OSL.....even empty with great winds that seems unlikely.

Considering that the latest 737-800 deliveries are direct BFI-OSL and there was a trip report on the Norwegian 737 MAX delivery flight with 33 passengers and crew onboard. The aircraft can handle the flight no problem.

Trip Report: https://airwaysmag.com/events/norwegian ... -operator/

travaz · Wed Jul 19, 2017 1:02 am

It seems they are following each other across the pond. Maybe they should da a formation flight!

Someone83 · Wed Jul 19, 2017 7:43 am

barney captain wrote:
FR shows them going NS BFI-OSL.....even empty with great winds that seems unlikely.

Even a 737-800 can do this fine, under most circumstances. Almost all Norwegian's 737s have been delivered nonstop BFI-OSL

KarelXWB · Wed Jul 19, 2017 7:49 am

Sooner787 wrote:
Any updates on when Southwest will take delivery of their new Max's?

I believe August was mentioned several times.

Dogbreath · Wed Jul 19, 2017 8:41 am

barney captain wrote:
ikolkyo wrote:
WJtter wrote:
Norwegian is having two more MAXs delivered today...Currently on-route to OSL. EI-FYC & EI-FYD.

FR shows them going NS BFI-OSL.....even empty with great winds that seems unlikely.

Not a problem in the slightest at all. Ryanair have been delivering 400+ 737-800's direct from Seattle to Dublin (a great circle distance of 4536nm) for well over 13 years with no issues. For info: The GC distance from Seattle to Oslo is 4552nm. Norwegian have delivered 100+ 737-800's (and now 4 MAX's) and from that tally only two -800's have not made it direct. This was not due to the distance, but on arrival to Norwegian airspace, Oslo being regulated due to Low Vis conditions, and the potential for holding exceeding fuel reserves for their Alternate diversion.

ikolkyo · Wed Jul 19, 2017 7:48 pm

The first 737 MAX for Fly Dubai is on its first flight, https://www.flightradar24.com/BOE326/e27522b

barney captain · Thu Jul 20, 2017 5:02 am

While I readily admit I'm surprised they routinely do this non-stop, to say it's "not a problem in the slightest" (at least wrt NG 800's) is hardly accurate.

Some back of the envelope numbers reveal that these flights are hardly a "gimme". My last leg in an -800 showed a burn of 22,500lbs (sorry - Yankee numbers) for 3+52 of flight time. This was just the enroute burn, not taxi or alternate. This falls very much in line with a standard NG burn of 7k lbs for the first hour and 5k lbs for every hour after that. Again, these are very rough estimates. The -800 holds 46,100lbs of fuel giving a rough endurance of 9 hrs. The flight from BFI to OSL was 8:46. Obviously they weren't landing on fumes and had adequate alternate fuel, but I would say that is near the maximum endurance for an NG (I realize these were MAX in this case).

seabosdca · Thu Jul 20, 2017 5:18 am

The longest 737 flights on record are a couple of 737-700 delivery flights BFI-BTS, 4700 nm great circle distance, about 9:30 flight time. I expect it's just a matter of time before a MAX 8 does a longer one.

barney captain · Thu Jul 20, 2017 4:15 pm

seabosdca wrote:
The longest 737 flights on record are a couple of 737-700 delivery flights BFI-BTS, 4700 nm great circle distance, about 9:30 flight time. I expect it's just a matter of time before a MAX 8 does a longer one.

Great info - thanks!

At the risk of continued thread creep. is it safe to assume all of these flights are with normal fuel cells - ie, no ferry tanks?

KarelXWB · Thu Jul 20, 2017 4:19 pm

That's a correct assumption, no ferry tanks are installed.

ikolkyo · Sat Jul 22, 2017 7:10 pm

N8703J is doing some circuits around Glasgow airport in Montana, https://www.flightradar24.com/BOE003X/e317992

Aircraft has been very active in the past week, wonder what they are up to.

737max8 · Sun Jul 23, 2017 3:09 am

^Still certifying some new equipment. Wonder if the current operators are using the current stuff. I think WN will still be first to launch a lot of the new bells and whistles up front.

ikolkyo · Sun Jul 23, 2017 3:17 am

737max8 wrote:
^Still certifying some new equipment. Wonder if the current operators are using the current stuff. I think WN will still be first to launch a lot of the new bells and whistles up front.

Got any details? Curious as to what kind of equipment we are talking here.

ikolkyo · Sun Jul 23, 2017 8:31 pm

N8703J is visiting Roswell today, https://www.flightradar24.com/BOE003/e34308b

MAX 9 test aircraft also been getting a good amount of flight time since Paris, https://www.flightradar24.com/BOE901/e34183b

barney captain · Sun Jul 23, 2017 11:26 pm

Does anyone know if the MAX has achieved ETOP's certification and whether or not the WN deliveries will all be ETOPS?

Stitch · Mon Jul 24, 2017 12:17 am

barney captain wrote:
Does anyone know if the MAX has achieved ETOP's certification and whether or not the WN deliveries will all be ETOPS?

The LEAP-1B engines received ETOPS-180 from the FAA and EASA last month. As of this month, the MAX 8 is still performing ETOPS and FAR testing.

737max8 · Tue Jul 25, 2017 5:05 am

ikolkyo wrote:
737max8 wrote:
^Still certifying some new equipment. Wonder if the current operators are using the current stuff. I think WN will still be first to launch a lot of the new bells and whistles up front.

Got any details? Curious as to what kind of equipment we are talking here.

Sorry, not sure if I am able to share details. I just know of a few components being certified still.

barney captain wrote:
Does anyone know if the MAX has achieved ETOP's certification and whether or not the WN deliveries will all be ETOPS?

For the answer to your 2nd question, look at photos of all of the WN MAX airplanes sitting around Seattle and see if you see ETOPS written anywhere

ikolkyo · Tue Jul 25, 2017 4:50 pm

A6-MAX, FlyDubai #1 is up in the air again, interesting that it is operating as a FlyDubai flight on a B2 flight, https://www.flightradar24.com/FDB002/e39d232

EI-FYE is also flying what I think is a B3 flight, https://www.flightradar24.com/BOE305/e39f3c7

N8703J is still doing testing at Roswell and I expect N7379E to be flying again later.

barney captain · Tue Jul 25, 2017 5:16 pm

Stitch wrote:
barney captain wrote:
Does anyone know if the MAX has achieved ETOP's certification and whether or not the WN deliveries will all be ETOPS?

The LEAP-1B engines received ETOPS-180 from the FAA and EASA last month. As of this month, the MAX 8 is still performing ETOPS and FAR testing.

Good info - thank you!

barney captain · Tue Jul 25, 2017 5:25 pm

737max8 wrote:

barney captain wrote:
Does anyone know if the MAX has achieved ETOP's certification and whether or not the WN deliveries will all be ETOPS?

For the answer to your 2nd question, look at photos of all of the WN MAX airplanes sitting around Seattle and see if you see ETOPS written anywhere

I don't see anything, but I'm not sure that's conclusive. They may have the equipment just waiting on certification. Additionally, I asked if all will be ETOP's. Obviously some will - but how many?

Do you know?

ikolkyo · Tue Jul 25, 2017 5:26 pm

barney captain wrote:
737max8 wrote:

barney captain wrote:
Does anyone know if the MAX has achieved ETOP's certification and whether or not the WN deliveries will all be ETOPS?

For the answer to your 2nd question, look at photos of all of the WN MAX airplanes sitting around Seattle and see if you see ETOPS written anywhere

I don't see anything, but I'm not sure that's conclusive. They may have the equipment just waiting on certification. Do you know the answer?

Answer is no, WN's ETOPS 738s have them printed on the nose gear doors. The first few MAX planes that have been built so far for them do not have them printed.

ikolkyo · Tue Jul 25, 2017 6:59 pm

9M-LRD hasn't flown since July 3rd and 9M-LRF has yet to fly its first revenue flight since delivery on June 29th are there issues with LEAP-1Bs? I know -LRD had a delayed EIS because it was delivered with loaner engines for delivery and it had to wait for new engines to be shipped so I wonder if that is the same issue with -LRF,

barney captain · Tue Jul 25, 2017 7:09 pm

ikolkyo wrote:
barney captain wrote:
737max8 wrote:

For the answer to your 2nd question, look at photos of all of the WN MAX airplanes sitting around Seattle and see if you see ETOPS written anywhere

I don't see anything, but I'm not sure that's conclusive. They may have the equipment just waiting on certification. Do you know the answer?

Answer is no, WN's ETOPS 738s have them printed on the nose gear doors. The first few MAX planes that have been built so far for them do not have them printed.

They also have it on the aft fuselage just beyond the service doors - but again, is the absence of that conclusive for aircraft that don't yet have certification? Dunno.

ikolkyo · Tue Jul 25, 2017 7:42 pm

barney captain wrote:
ikolkyo wrote:
barney captain wrote:

I don't see anything, but I'm not sure that's conclusive. They may have the equipment just waiting on certification. Do you know the answer?

Answer is no, WN's ETOPS 738s have them printed on the nose gear doors. The first few MAX planes that have been built so far for them do not have them printed.

They also have it on the aft fuselage just beyond the service doors - but again, is the absence of that conclusive for aircraft that don't yet have certification? Dunno.

With how many aircraft they have on order they will probably take the first few without and later deliveries with ETOPS if they want them.

KarelXWB · Wed Jul 26, 2017 11:04 am

barney captain wrote:
They also have it on the aft fuselage just beyond the service doors - but again, is the absence of that conclusive for aircraft that don't yet have certification? Dunno.

The engine is ETOPS certified, the airframe/engine combination not yet.

https://www.easa.europa.eu/system/files ... EAP-1B.pdf
https://www.easa.europa.eu/system/files ... ssue12.pdf

737max8 · Wed Jul 26, 2017 3:52 pm

ikolkyo wrote:
barney captain wrote:
ikolkyo wrote:

Answer is no, WN's ETOPS 738s have them printed on the nose gear doors. The first few MAX planes that have been built so far for them do not have them printed.

They also have it on the aft fuselage just beyond the service doors - but again, is the absence of that conclusive for aircraft that don't yet have certification? Dunno.

With how many aircraft they have on order they will probably take the first few without and later deliveries with ETOPS if they want them.

Yup, this is my guess as well. Not sure which # MAX will deliver ETOPS ready but I'm sure we'll see one eventually.

ikolkyo · Thu Jul 27, 2017 3:04 am

A6-MAX is currently getting some A2A photos done, I think delivery is getting pretty close for FlyDubai.

https://www.flightradar24.com/BOE326/e3ca634
https://twitter.com/AeroimagesChris/sta ... 2989751296

ikolkyo · Thu Jul 27, 2017 5:21 pm

Southwest will receive its first 737 MAX 8 in August, they should have 10 on property by the end of the 3Q. EIS is still set for October 1st.

https://twitter.com/airkarp/status/890615736032403459

Sooner787 · Thu Jul 27, 2017 9:41 pm

ikolkyo wrote:
Southwest will receive its first 737 MAX 8 in August, they should have 10 on property by the end of the 3Q. EIS is still set for October 1st.

https://twitter.com/airkarp/status/890615736032403459

Looking forward to seeing those beauties at KDAL

KarelXWB · Fri Jul 28, 2017 10:15 am

ikolkyo wrote:
A6-MAX is currently getting some A2A photos done, I think delivery is getting pretty close for FlyDubai.

One of the better liveries.

Boeing 737 MAX 8 flyDubai A6-MAX by Huy Do, on Flickr

ikolkyo · Fri Jul 28, 2017 5:15 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
ikolkyo wrote:
A6-MAX is currently getting some A2A photos done, I think delivery is getting pretty close for FlyDubai.

One of the better liveries.

Boeing 737 MAX 8 flyDubai A6-MAX by Huy Do, on Flickr

Indeed, beautiful livery.

ikolkyo · Sun Jul 30, 2017 12:27 am

Lion Air's 2nd 737 MAX has been delivered.

Lion Air 737 MAX 8 PK-LQF C/N 42990 / LN6344

Oykie · Sun Jul 30, 2017 7:36 am

ikolkyo wrote:
Lion Air's 2nd 737 MAX has been delivered.

Lion Air 737 MAX 8 PK-LQF C/N 42990 / LN6344

Congratulations to Lion air and Boeing. Is this MAX number 8 delivered in total?

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