Boeing 737 MAX Production Thread - Part 1

ikolkyo · Fri Aug 11, 2017 9:24 pm

Kden95 wrote:
Has American's first Max 8 been fully painted yet?

Scrap my response, was thinking wrong.

AeroTyke · Fri Aug 11, 2017 10:12 pm

boefan wrote:
chrisa330 wrote:
Any idea when Air Canada's first MAX8 will being final assembly?

FAL is now at LN6580-LN6585 and Air Canada is 50 aircraft later on

Incorrect. That is a Southwest 737-800.

Btblue · Fri Aug 11, 2017 10:40 pm

ikolkyo wrote:
Here is another photo from the link Karel posted, I love this angle

I love this angle too. It looks like it is quite high off the ground - unlike some of the other shots I've seen. Is it jacked up at the front?

boefan · Fri Aug 11, 2017 10:48 pm

Being on this forum for a little over 3 years i was never accused of posting misleading information . I stated that Air Canada first Max is in the area of LN 6630 - LN 6635 .

I also stated that FAL entry is around LN 6580-6585 and if you add 50 to that number equals to the number posted above . I don't know where the Southwest 737-800 came from nor i can verify that statement .

1st 737-8 Max for Air Canada is msn 61207 LN 6634 .

Hope this clears things a bit and if someone has a correction or a different opinion please share it without accusations. It is a hobby after all :white:

AeroTyke · Fri Aug 11, 2017 10:58 pm

boefan wrote:
Being on this forum for a little over 3 years i was never accused of posting misleading information . I stated that Air Canada first Max is in the area of LN 6630 - LN 6635 .

I also stated that FAL entry is around LN 6580-6585 and if you add 50 to that number equals to the number posted above . I don't know where the Southwest 737-800 came from nor i can verify that statement .

1st 737-8 Max for Air Canada is msn 61207 LN 6634 .

Hope this clears things a bit and if someone has a correction or a different opinion please share it without accusations. It is a hobby after all

Thanks for the chuckle with your first sentence, but moving swiftly on.. 6585+50 = 6635 = Southwest = "50 aircraft later on". I see you've now corrected it to 6634 which is correct.

PlanesNTrains · Sat Aug 12, 2017 4:21 am

AeroTyke wrote:
boefan wrote:
Being on this forum for a little over 3 years i was never accused of posting misleading information . I stated that Air Canada first Max is in the area of LN 6630 - LN 6635 .

I also stated that FAL entry is around LN 6580-6585 and if you add 50 to that number equals to the number posted above . I don't know where the Southwest 737-800 came from nor i can verify that statement .

1st 737-8 Max for Air Canada is msn 61207 LN 6634 .

Hope this clears things a bit and if someone has a correction or a different opinion please share it without accusations. It is a hobby after all

Thanks for the chuckle with your first sentence, but moving swiftly on.. 6585+50 = 6635 = Southwest = "50 aircraft later on". I see you've now corrected it to 6634 which is correct.

Weird. I understood what he was saying and don't see why it needed to be clarified. Whatever.

ikolkyo · Sat Aug 12, 2017 5:08 pm

N8703J, the 3rd MAX 8 test aircraft has been at Roswell for about 20-21 days now doing some equipment testing, the equipment being tested is not known
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N8703J/history

N7379E. the MAX 9 testbed returned to BFI on Sunday after being based in VCV for a few weeks doing some testing.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N7379E/history

ikolkyo · Sun Aug 13, 2017 11:11 pm

Some 737 MAX updates from Chris Edwards/

1st 737 MAX 8 for Silk Air has been painted and fitted with engines. she wears registration 9V-MBA

https://twitter.com/AeroimagesChris/sta ... 3572546561

WestJet's first 737 MAX 8 is in short term storage

https://twitter.com/AeroimagesChris/sta ... 1016573952

Air China's first 737 MAX 8 should fly this week

https://twitter.com/AeroimagesChris/sta ... 4843312128

1st 737 MAX 8 for China Eastern is out of Final Assembly

https://twitter.com/AeroimagesChris/sta ... 6910737408

American's first 737 MAX 8 is undergoing systems testing, expected to fly on Wendesday 8/16

https://twitter.com/AeroimagesChris/sta ... 5202412547

Shanghai Airlines #1 and 2 and WestJet #3 waiting for their turn on the flightline

https://twitter.com/AeroimagesChris/sta ... 3618034693

WestJet #2 on the flightline

https://twitter.com/AeroimagesChris/sta ... 3271814144

sunking737 · Mon Aug 14, 2017 12:32 am

I'm sure I missed it some place in all these pages, but when does the NG production stop, and only MAX A/C production runs..

717atOGG · Mon Aug 14, 2017 12:38 am

Sorry if I missed it, but how many 737 MAX a/c have been built so far, defining built as being rolled out of final assembly? Just curious.

ikolkyo · Mon Aug 14, 2017 12:41 am

sunking737 wrote:
I'm sure I missed it some place in all these pages, but when does the NG production stop, and only MAX A/C production runs..

For PAX aircraft I'd say 2019-2020

717atOGG wrote:
Sorry if I missed it, but how many 737 MAX a/c have been built so far, defining built as being rolled out of final assembly? Just curious.

I would say some where in the ballpark of 20-25

717atOGG · Mon Aug 14, 2017 12:54 am

ikolkyo wrote:
sunking737 wrote:
I'm sure I missed it some place in all these pages, but when does the NG production stop, and only MAX A/C production runs..

For PAX aircraft I'd say 2019-2020

717atOGG wrote:
Sorry if I missed it, but how many 737 MAX a/c have been built so far, defining built as being rolled out of final assembly? Just curious.

I would say some where in the ballpark of 20-25

Ok, thank you for answering. Approximately how many will be built by the end of the year?

ikolkyo · Mon Aug 14, 2017 12:54 am

717atOGG wrote:
ikolkyo wrote:
sunking737 wrote:
I'm sure I missed it some place in all these pages, but when does the NG production stop, and only MAX A/C production runs..

For PAX aircraft I'd say 2019-2020

717atOGG wrote:
Sorry if I missed it, but how many 737 MAX a/c have been built so far, defining built as being rolled out of final assembly? Just curious.

I would say some where in the ballpark of 20-25

Ok, thank you for answering. Approximately how many will be built by the end of the year?

No idea.

737max8 · Mon Aug 14, 2017 2:26 am

It's gotta be more then 20-25, doesn't WN already have 10+ out there alone?

ikolkyo · Mon Aug 14, 2017 3:01 am

737max8 wrote:
It's gotta be more then 20-25, doesn't WN already have 10+ out there alone?

That is true if you count the test frames, I’d bump it up to near 35.

Boeing778X · Mon Aug 14, 2017 4:19 am

They're going to be coming out pretty quickly. Close to 30x is my guess.

KarelXWB · Mon Aug 14, 2017 8:04 am

717atOGG wrote:
Ok, thank you for answering. Approximately how many will be built by the end of the year?

Boeing's official statement is "less than 10% of annual 737 production".

zkojq · Fri Aug 18, 2017 12:06 pm

Is there an online spreadsheet anywhere of 737MAX production anywhere, like there is for A350 production?

Momo1435 · Fri Aug 18, 2017 12:30 pm

zkojq wrote:
Is there an online spreadsheet anywhere of 737MAX production anywhere, like there is for A350 production?

There's this spreadsheet with all 737 production, not just the MAX. But it doesn't look too long into the future like the 787 and A350 spreadsheets.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... z2TPD-eD0/ (go to the tab Boeing 737 Production list)

It lists 31 built 737 MAX.

holzmann · Fri Aug 18, 2017 12:51 pm

What is the timeline / news on MAX -10 developments? What about any developments with respect to the MAX 200, -7, and -9 falling by the wayside in favor of a simpler approach of just offering the -8 and -10?

boefan · Fri Aug 18, 2017 1:35 pm

Momo1435 wrote:
zkojq wrote:
Is there an online spreadsheet anywhere of 737MAX production anywhere, like there is for A350 production?

There's this spreadsheet with all 737 production, not just the MAX. But it doesn't look too long into the future like the 787 and A350 spreadsheets.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... z2TPD-eD0/ (go to the tab Boeing 737 Production list)

It lists 31 built 737 MAX.

Actually it lists 44 built frames (31 in the above tab and 13 in another tab [delivered frames])

I tend to keep the latest 100 aircraft deliveries (by Line Number) . Every 5-10 days i move the oldest ones to "Boeing 737 Production list (delivered aircraft)"
http://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1 ... 1546128388

The 737 Production list is also limited to one month of future production . As much as i wish to publish further down i must follow certain guidelines .

Cheers
Boefan

Stitch · Fri Aug 18, 2017 4:36 pm

holzmann wrote:
What about any developments with respect to the MAX 200, -7, and -9 falling by the wayside in favor of a simpler approach of just offering the -8 and -10?

The 737-9 is already in production and the 737-7 has firm orders so neither will "fall by the wayside". And the MAX 200 is just a 737-8 with an extra set of exit doors, so development is already completed.

ikolkyo · Sat Aug 19, 2017 4:09 pm

N8703J is returning to BFI after being away for nearly a month for testing.

https://fr24.com/BOE003/e89e75c

ikolkyo · Sun Aug 20, 2017 1:51 am

AA’s first 737 MAX has flown for the first time.

https://twitter.com/aeroimageschris/sta ... 0368637953

KarelXWB · Mon Aug 21, 2017 10:50 am

Polot wrote:
KarelXWB wrote:
That Lion Air 737 MAX 9 has been mothballed, any idea what's going on?

N739EX Lion Air Boeing 737-9 MAX - C/N 42989 / LN 6308 by Woodys Aeroimages, on Flickr

Waiting for the 737-9 to complete testing and be certified?

Although it has Lion Air colors, LN 6308 is a test plane. It is therefore odd to see it mothballed.

A recent photo taken last weekend shows the storage tape has been removed.

N739EX Lion Air Boeing 737-9 MAX - C/N 42989 / LN 6308 by Woodys Aeroimages, on Flickr

ikolkyo · Wed Aug 23, 2017 11:59 pm

Lion Air #4 PK-LQG is on her way home/
https://www.flightradar24.com/LNI01/e9722f5

Speaking of the Lion Air Group, what in the world is going on at Malindo Air/ Batik Air Malaysia? I have only been seeing 1 of their MAX aircraft flying consistently. 9M-LRD and 9M-LRF are no where to be found.

Air China #1 had its first flight today

I have also noticed N8710M doing some flying recently, I have a feeling this will be the first aircraft delivered to WN.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... edit#gid=0

ikolkyo · Fri Aug 25, 2017 12:52 am

Southwest N8705Q has flown for the first time since March 22nd
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... edit#gid=0
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n8705q

barney captain · Fri Aug 25, 2017 1:12 am

ikolkyo wrote:
Southwest N8705Q has flown for the first time since March 22nd
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... edit#gid=0
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n8705q

I think we take our first delivery this month - might this be it?

ikolkyo · Fri Aug 25, 2017 1:13 am

barney captain wrote:
ikolkyo wrote:
Southwest N8705Q has flown for the first time since March 22nd
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... edit#gid=0
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n8705q

I think we take our first delivery this month - might this be it?

It will either be this aircraft or N8710M me thinks, hell maybe even both.

817Dreamliiner · Fri Aug 25, 2017 3:42 pm

New 737 MAX ACAP has been released to include OEW of The MAX 8:

http://www.boeing.com/resources/boeingd ... X_RevA.pdf

KarelXWB · Fri Aug 25, 2017 4:10 pm

817Dreamliiner wrote:
New 737 MAX ACAP has been released to include OEW of The MAX 8:

http://www.boeing.com/resources/boeingd ... X_RevA.pdf

It shows the empty weight of the MAX 8 is 3.67t higher than the 737-800.

StTim · Fri Aug 25, 2017 4:22 pm

Is that the expected weight growth from the heavier engines and how does it compare with the A320neo weight growth?

Polot · Fri Aug 25, 2017 4:59 pm

StTim wrote:
Is that the expected weight growth from the heavier engines and how does it compare with the A320neo weight growth?

IIRC, the A320neo's weight gain is in the same ballpark, 2-3t. The Max rework is more extensive than the Neo (e.g., new winglets and tail cone) so I don't know if it is just from heavier engines. Hard to say the true weight gain w/o real world numbers though. Boeing's ACAP, for example, says that the 737-800 and -800 w/winglets both weigh exactly the same...

Ruscoe · Fri Aug 25, 2017 11:29 pm

[quote="817Dreamliiner"]New 737 MAX ACAP has been released to include OEW of The MAX 8: /quote]

Thanks for that 817Dreamliner.
I took a look at some of the early figures as well and it shows just how far the 737 has come:

731 MTOW 50T, Range MZFW 1000nm, Range typical pax 1400nm, Range 10T payload 1400nm

738 Max MTOW 88T, Range MZFW 2500nm, Range typical pax 3500nm, Range 10T payload 3750nm

Interesting thing is that the Max can carry an extra 50+ pax 2350nm further.

Would be interesting to have a comparison of the fuel flows also.

Cheers

Ruscoe

arcticcruiser · Sat Aug 26, 2017 1:45 am

Ruscoe wrote:
817Dreamliiner wrote:
New 737 MAX ACAP has been released to include OEW of The MAX 8: /quote]

Thanks for that 817Dreamliner.
I took a look at some of the early figures as well and it shows just how far the 737 has come:

731 MTOW 50T, Range MZFW 1000nm, Range typical pax 1400nm, Range 10T payload 1400nm

738 Max MTOW 88T, Range MZFW 2500nm, Range typical pax 3500nm, Range 10T payload 3750nm

Interesting thing is that the Max can carry an extra 50+ pax 2350nm further.

Would be interesting to have a comparison of the fuel flows also.

Cheers

Ruscoe

You have the MTOW of the -9 there, 88,3T, the MTOW of the -8 is 82,2T.
ACAP OEW's are not really real world weights. Need to add another 1000-1500 kgs. Which eats into payload and range.

boefan · Mon Aug 28, 2017 3:47 pm

Malindo Air / Batik Air Malysia is down to 1 Max aircraft (actually 0 operating scheduled service anymore) . 9M-LRC was ferried to SZB today in order to be prepared for Lion Air . LRD is scheduled for a ferry flight to SZB on the 23rd of September

9M-LRF the first one that flew to SZB on the 2nd of August finished interior modification and repaint but it is unknown if it left the airport . I cannot find any sign that departed on the major tracking sites but if the hex code has been changed it is possible .

My information comes from a local ground worker that prepared LRC for departure today .
FR24 confirms it : https://www.flightradar24.com/reg/9m-lrc

If anyone has more info please share

Cheers
Boefan

ikolkyo · Mon Aug 28, 2017 3:49 pm

boefan wrote:
Malindo Air / Batik Air Malysia is down to 1 Max aircraft (actually 0 operating scheduled service anymore) . 9M-LRC was ferried to SZB today in order to be prepared for Lion Air . LRD is scheduled for a ferry flight to SZB on the 23rd of September

9M-LRF the first one that flew to SZB on the 2nd of August finished interior modification and repaint but it is unknown if it left the airport . I cannot find any sign that departed on the major tracking sites but if the hex code has been changed it is possible .

My information comes from a local ground worker that prepared LRC for departure today .
FR24 confirms it : https://www.flightradar24.com/reg/9m-lrc

If anyone has more info please share

Cheers
Boefan

I’ve been wondering what was going on with them, why the sudden change? Are they going to receive 2 class versions of the MAX in the future straight from the factory?

boefan · Mon Aug 28, 2017 4:02 pm

ikolkyo wrote:
I’ve been wondering what was going on with them, why the sudden change? Are they going to receive 2 class versions of the MAX in the future straight from the factory?

Next Max is allocated to Lion Air . it is unknown down the line if Malindo Air will receive factory fresh aircraft but im pretty sure they will eventually . Lion Air Group has the flexibility to relocate aircraft to different airlines in short notice as the interior can be converted in less than 3 months

KarelXWB · Mon Aug 28, 2017 7:55 pm

Shanghai Airlines #1 emerged from paint.

Silk Air #1 emerged from paint as well.

Via https://twitter.com/brandonsblog/status ... 8947645440

SKC · Tue Aug 29, 2017 3:28 pm

barney captain wrote:
ikolkyo wrote:
Southwest N8705Q has flown for the first time since March 22nd
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... edit#gid=0
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n8705q

I think we take our first delivery this month - might this be it?

Our first one is N8710M.

boefan · Tue Aug 29, 2017 5:39 pm

SKC wrote:
barney captain wrote:
ikolkyo wrote:
Southwest N8705Q has flown for the first time since March 22nd
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... edit#gid=0
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n8705q

I think we take our first delivery this month - might this be it?

Our first one is N8710M.

Of course it is an I believe today will fly to DAL as SWA8701

ikolkyo · Tue Aug 29, 2017 7:22 pm

The first of hundreds of 737 MAX aircraft for WN is out as WN8701
https://www.flightradar24.com/SWA8701/ea9a77c

Another WN aircraft (N8706W) is on test flight heading down the west coast currently. This is the aircraft's first flight since April 24th
https://www.flightradar24.com/ea9b268
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... edit#gid=0

qf789 · Wed Aug 30, 2017 7:58 am

FlyDubai 737 MAX 8 A6-FMA has been delivered

https://twitter.com/AeroimagesChris/sta ... 0709433345

Revelation · Wed Aug 30, 2017 11:17 am

Southwest takes delivery of first 737 Max has some interesting details about the delivery of the first MAX and the transition away from the Classic:

Southwest will launch nine 737 Max 8s into service on 1 October, and add a tenth about a week later. It will end 2017 with 14 of the type.

The Max is entering Southwest's fleet as it retires its remaining 737 Classics, which will fly for the airline up till 29 September. About 30 737 Classics will operate on that day.

On 30 September, the airline will be an all-737NG airline, before deploying the Max 8s a day later.

ikolkyo · Wed Aug 30, 2017 6:46 pm

Southwest N8708Q is on its B1 flight
https://twitter.com/AeroimagesChris/sta ... 2612936705

ikolkyo · Thu Sep 07, 2017 10:35 pm

Southwest N8705Q has been delivered

https://twitter.com/AeroimagesChris/sta ... 3136717825

Chris also has L/N numbers for the first MAX to be produced for each airline: Note this does not mean the first delivered to each airline.

https://twitter.com/AeroimagesChris/sta ... 3069790208

ikolkyo · Fri Sep 08, 2017 8:15 pm

The 2nd 737 MAX 9 has flown for the first time right on schedule, was set to fly at the end of summer. https://twitter.com/aeroimageschris/sta ... 9271543808

KarelXWB · Wed Sep 13, 2017 8:31 am

First AA 737 MAX has been painted.

https://twitter.com/FlyingHighRyan/stat ... 1892780034

Sooner787 · Wed Sep 13, 2017 3:01 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
First AA 737 MAX has been painted.

https://twitter.com/FlyingHighRyan/stat ... 1892780034

Hmmmm.... no red winglet tips.

Perhaps AA will do that themselves when the plane is delivered to Tulsa?

Boeing778X · Wed Sep 13, 2017 3:28 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
First AA 737 MAX has been painted.

https://twitter.com/FlyingHighRyan/stat ... 1892780034

Incredible! The livery suits the sportiness of the MAX 8 well! Eager to fly on it!

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