Kolavia A321 crashes in Sinai / Egypt - Part 1

gkirk · Sat Oct 31, 2015 7:22 am

Sky News just reported an airliner heading to Russia has gone missing just after taking off from SSH with 212 people on board. No other info as yet

Armodeen · Sat Oct 31, 2015 7:30 am

Best wishes for all on board

bw50505 · Sat Oct 31, 2015 7:31 am

Just speculating, but based on Flightaware.com's data for SSH and the current time frame it is possibly Ural 3250, an Airbus A321, to SVX.

bw50505

[Edited 2015-10-31 00:32:49]

zeke · Sat Oct 31, 2015 7:37 am

Quoting gkirk (Thread starter):

Reuters seems to be the source that all the outlets are scrambling to get on air

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/...-egypt-crash-idUSKCN0SP06V20151031

QF29 · Sat Oct 31, 2015 7:41 am

I cant seem to find anything on flightrardar24 relating to the flight

simfanatic · Sat Oct 31, 2015 7:44 am

Reuters says plane is safe and in Turkish airspace now.

joffie · Sat Oct 31, 2015 7:47 am

breaking news on Ninemsn http://www.9news.com.au/World/2015/1...ial-plane-loses-contact-over-Egypt
No news on operator or type yet.

PlaneHunter · Sat Oct 31, 2015 7:48 am

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PH

[Edited 2015-10-31 01:26:05]

joffie · Sat Oct 31, 2015 7:53 am

Egypt are saying the plane is safe however Russia are saying its crashed according to the article i posted a couple of posts up...

OA260 · Sat Oct 31, 2015 8:01 am

Too many mixed reports coming in at the moment!

aussie18 · Sat Oct 31, 2015 8:01 am

FR24 now showing reports of it being Kolavia A321
http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/ei-etj/#7d986d3

QF29 · Sat Oct 31, 2015 8:03 am

I don't think anyone has any idea whats going on...

PlaneHunter · Sat Oct 31, 2015 8:04 am

More details in this article:

www.rt.com/news/320217-russian-plane-off-radars/

Quite confusing.

PH

[Edited 2015-10-31 01:04:26]

BestWestern · Sat Oct 31, 2015 8:04 am

BBC now saying.

A Russian airliner has crashed in central Sinai with more than 200 people on board, the office of Egypt's prime minister has confirmed.
The Airbus A-321 had just taken off from the Red Sea resort of Sharm el-Sheikh, on its way to the Russian city of St Petersburg.
There were conflicting reports about the fate of the plane, some suggesting it had disappeared over Cyprus.
Most of the passengers are said to be Russian tourists.
The plane is operated by the Russian airline Kogalymavia. Latest reports say it is carrying 217 passengers and seven crew.

ALAfly · Sat Oct 31, 2015 8:06 am

just got e message fom local news about missing plane that crashed with over 200 souls on board.

jetjack74 · Sat Oct 31, 2015 8:08 am

It's been located and hasn't crashed. Everyone back to work.

Turkish ATC has restablished contact and it is passing through their airspace. Ninemsn has h
Just updated saying the aircraft is safe. So no crash has occurred

[Edited 2015-10-31 01:11:30]

LGAviation · Sat Oct 31, 2015 8:09 am

German newspaper Der Spiegel which usually is quite late to confirm anything but rarely erroneously confirms anything just sent me a push that plane crashed,

winterlight · Sat Oct 31, 2015 8:09 am

Media now saying it has crashed.

ALAfly · Sat Oct 31, 2015 8:10 am

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 12):

Thanks for sharing PH.

Qatara340 · Sat Oct 31, 2015 8:12 am

It would be just the second A321 crash, after the AirBlue Crash in Pakistan.

bunumuring · Sat Oct 31, 2015 8:13 am

Tragic.
I hope there are survivors.
Deep in prayer,
Bunumuring.

PlaneHunter · Sat Oct 31, 2015 8:13 am

Had climbed to 33,500 feet, but descended to 28,375 feet again before contact was lost according to FR24:

http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/ei-etj/#7d986d3

PH

[Edited 2015-10-31 01:17:45]

Scipio · Sat Oct 31, 2015 8:14 am

Terrorist attack in revenge for Russia's actions in Syria?

HALtheAI · Sat Oct 31, 2015 8:21 am

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 21):
Had climbed to 33,500 feet, but descended to 28,375 feet again before contact was lost according to FR24:
http://www.flightradar24.com/data/ai...986d3

Last two pieces of data:

Speed has dropped dangerously low. Stall?

CO764 · Sat Oct 31, 2015 8:22 am

The aircraft was EI-ETJ, an 18 year old A321 operated by Kogalymavia (Metrojet), and the flight number was 7K9265, or KGL9265. Looking at the Flightradar24 track below, one can see that the aircraft appears to climb very rapidly (from 30,300 feet to 33,500 feet over the course of one minute, something practically unheard of for a fully-loaded A321), then begins to lose speed and altitude at a very fast rate before the track ends a minute later slightly above 28,000 feet.

http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/ei-etj/#7d986d3

Not to venture into unfounded speculation this early on, but I can't help but think of the Air Asia accident last year.

What a terrible tragedy, hoping for some survivors.

CO764

Hywel · Sat Oct 31, 2015 8:32 am

Quoting Scipio (Reply 22):

Terrorist attack in revenge for Russia's actions in Syria?

We all know how anti-Russian you are, with your wild and exaggerated propaganda in other threads.

The accident has just happened and you're showing great disrespect to the passengers and relatives.

jpetekyxmd80 · Sat Oct 31, 2015 8:32 am

Quoting jetjack74 (Reply 15):

It's been located and hasn't crashed. Everyone back to work.

Turkish ATC has restablished contact and it is passing through their airspace. Ninemsn has h
Just updated saying the aircraft is safe. So no crash has occurred

Oh really?

Maikel · Sat Oct 31, 2015 8:33 am

It shows that I missread the diagram. https://twitter.com/flightradar24?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Quoting CO764 (Reply 24):
Not to venture into unfounded speculation this early on, but I can't help but think of the Air Asia accident last year.

Correct or the Lufthansa bird near Bilbao on Nov 5th 2014.

[Edited 2015-10-31 01:42:28]

CO764 · Sat Oct 31, 2015 8:35 am

Quoting Maikel (Reply 27):
Regarding the FR24 data: The aircraft climbed to FL400 and later descended towards FL184 within 14 seconds and reached 9300ft after 7 seconds. Latest data shows a 6000ft/min descend. That some impressive data if the data is correct.

Where did you find this?

ALAfly · Sat Oct 31, 2015 8:38 am

Quoting Hywel (Reply 25):

Respect Hywel, thank you! Now can only hope and pray for good news that there are survivals.

flyinTLow · Sat Oct 31, 2015 8:39 am

Quoting Maikel (Reply 27):

That was a totally different scenario with no rapid climb or descent whatsoever!

B747forever · Sat Oct 31, 2015 8:39 am

Quoting Maikel (Reply 27):
Regarding the FR24 data: The aircraft climbed to FL400 and later descended towards FL184 within 14 seconds and reached 9300ft after 7 seconds. Latest data shows a 6000ft/min descend. That some impressive data if the data is correct.

If that is how the final minutes of the flight went, I doubt there will be any survivors.

lugie · Sat Oct 31, 2015 8:39 am

Quoting CO764 (Reply 28):
Where did you find this?

Flightradar 24 published this information on their Facebook page just a few minutes ago.

spacecookie · Sat Oct 31, 2015 8:40 am

Would be nice to see what happen there, we got an air Asia report missing also , so let's see what's behind this crashes
.

Ab should be scared right now

Cassi · Sat Oct 31, 2015 8:42 am

According to TASS, the captain requested emergency landing due to "radio station malfunction".

http://tass.ru/en/society/833083

Maikel · Sat Oct 31, 2015 8:43 am

Quoting spacecookie (Reply 33):
Quoting CO764 (Reply 28):Where did you find this?
Flightradar 24 published this information on their Facebook page just a few minutes ago.

Correct, I edited my previous post. Here you can see the data: https://twitter.com/flightradar24?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

jpetekyxmd80 · Sat Oct 31, 2015 8:44 am

Ok, first off of course its very early to speculate and no real evidence to jump to conclusions.

With that being said, my strong inclination is to an internal or external deliberate explosive action, which the flight data would be consistent with. Strange phase of flight for something to go terribly wrong. No reason to suspect a stall given previous airspeeds.

This flight was over dangerous territory where the Egyptian arm of ISIS has been in control.
They have some SAM capabilities and have downed aircraft in this region before. Theres also reason to believe of substantial MPAD capabilities.

Make of that what you will.

HALtheAI · Sat Oct 31, 2015 8:51 am

Quoting jpetekyxmd80 (Reply 36):

I doubt ISIS would have the heavy, ground vehicle-based SAMs necessary to hit an airliner flying that high.

readytotaxi · Sat Oct 31, 2015 8:52 am

More news.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-34687139

dubaiamman243 · Sat Oct 31, 2015 8:53 am

from flightradar24

Flanders · Sat Oct 31, 2015 8:54 am

Live updates:
2:17 pm (IST): Russian airline that crashed in Sinai completely destroyed, most passengers likely to have died – security officer at the scene.
2:16 pm (IST): Egyptian rescue team locates crashed Russian passenger plane in southern Arish, Sinai – Egyptian aviation authority.

Source: http://indianexpress.com/article/wor...ing-212-people-over-sinai-sources/

FCAFLYBOY · Sat Oct 31, 2015 8:56 am

Yes it's very early to speculate but I can't help but wonder if this might be terrorist-related. If not then how about rudder failure?

RIP to all onboard. Seems this would be totally unsurvivable.

jpetekyxmd80 · Sat Oct 31, 2015 8:57 am

Quoting HALtheAI (Reply 38):

I doubt ISIS would have the heavy, ground vehicle-based SAMs necessary to hit an airliner flying that high.

I agree its a pretty big leap in capabilities.

txlbased · Sat Oct 31, 2015 9:00 am

a lot of things could be the reason. missile impact, tech fault, stall, ... the result is the same. and it seems that all on board have died

Brewfangrb · Sat Oct 31, 2015 9:03 am

Quoting Dubaiamman243 (Reply 40):

Jesus. This shows an even greater descent that FR posted on Twitter originally. It shows -5125' in 21 seconds.

MON · Sat Oct 31, 2015 9:10 am

Whatever has maybe tragically happened, having piloted a 321 for the many years, I would suggest that the Fligtradar24 plot of altitude is unlikely to be totally accurate as the max certified flight level of a 321 is FL390/39,000'. With 200+ soles on board, the 321 enroute to Siberia would struggle to make FL370 (or even FL350) never mind above its max certified level without something very unusual happening.

pugman211 · Sat Oct 31, 2015 9:13 am

Altitude is the blue line on the graph, which is approx 35000ft???

Stealthz · Sat Oct 31, 2015 9:15 am

Quoting Mon (Reply 46):
I would suggest that the Fligtradar24 plot of altitude is unlikely to be totally accurate as the max certified flight level of a 321 is FL390/39,000'

My interpretation of the FR plot and accompanying data table is that the plane never got past 33,500' then a rapid deceleration & descent,

[Edited 2015-10-31 02:16:16]

Sevensixtyseven · Sat Oct 31, 2015 9:26 am

Now, I remember...US Airways had to weight restrict a lot of their A321s doing cross-country hops to PHL and CLT. This is a 2200 mile route that they're flying, and in a charter configuration. Is it possible that during the ascent to cruising, they were a bit too overloaded to be going that high that quickly?

dc863 · Sat Oct 31, 2015 9:31 am

I seriously hope this wasn't an act of terrorism in retaliation for Russia's Syria involvement.

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