Airbus A320neo family production thread - 2015-2017 (part 7)

audidudi · Fri Sep 15, 2017 3:17 am

I would call the colour of the Volaris A320 engines "violet", not "pink"!

keesje · Fri Sep 15, 2017 6:27 am

Razor sharp ANA A321 NEO in service.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24_S9EuLsEk

Very high definition, how much bandwidth can you handle.., akino33 Aviation Video Channel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yzd5YKchNy4

winterlight · Fri Sep 15, 2017 7:31 am

I believe Volaris will also be using green and blue as engine colours.

hilram · Fri Sep 15, 2017 4:35 pm

Pink or purple?

george77300 · Sat Sep 16, 2017 9:01 am

winterlight wrote:
What engines will BA's have?

BA will have CFM engines.

george77300 · Sat Sep 16, 2017 9:06 am

winterlight wrote:
What engines will BA's have?

And also to clarify before someone corrects. IAG have ordered both CFM and P&W for A320neo family aircraft.

BA, IB and EI will have CFM and Vueling will take the P&W engines.

BOEING777EK · Sat Sep 16, 2017 4:57 pm

AirAsia Takes another delivery of another NEO today as 9M-AGH the 12th NEO to be delivered.

KarelXWB · Sat Sep 16, 2017 7:42 pm

BOEING777EK wrote:
AirAsia Takes another delivery of another NEO today as 9M-AGH the 12th NEO to be delivered.

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Airbus A320 -251N 7794 9M-AGH AirAsia delivery 16-17sep17 TLS-KRW-KUL ex D-AVVF

KarelXWB · Sat Sep 16, 2017 7:44 pm

GoAir deliveries have resumed:

Airbus A320 -271N 7507 VT-WGF Go Air delivery 15sep17 TLS-DEL ex F-WWBH

KarelXWB · Mon Sep 18, 2017 10:36 am

Another Avianca delivered:

Airbus A320 -251N 7854 PR-OBL Avianca Brasil delivery 18-19sep17 TLS-SID-POA ex D-AXAJ

JerseyFlyer · Mon Sep 18, 2017 11:37 am

george77300 wrote:
winterlight wrote:
What engines will BA's have?

And also to clarify before someone corrects. IAG have ordered both CFM and P&W for A320neo family aircraft.

BA, IB and EI will have CFM and Vueling will take the P&W engines.

Is this simply IAG hedging its bets, or is there a cost-effectiveness rationale?

george77300 · Mon Sep 18, 2017 2:39 pm

JerseyFlyer wrote:
george77300 wrote:
winterlight wrote:
What engines will BA's have?

And also to clarify before someone corrects. IAG have ordered both CFM and P&W for A320neo family aircraft.

BA, IB and EI will have CFM and Vueling will take the P&W engines.

Is this simply IAG hedging its bets, or is there a cost-effectiveness rationale?

I think it's all to do with current engines in the fleet and commonality. Although not 100% sure the reason. Anyone else have the reason behind it?? It's almost 50-50 engine split on the order I believe with half the neo orders for Vueling.

SQ22 · Mon Sep 18, 2017 7:02 pm

george77300 wrote:
JerseyFlyer wrote:
george77300 wrote:

And also to clarify before someone corrects. IAG have ordered both CFM and P&W for A320neo family aircraft.

BA, IB and EI will have CFM and Vueling will take the P&W engines.

Is this simply IAG hedging its bets, or is there a cost-effectiveness rationale?

I think it's all to do with current engines in the fleet and commonality. Although not 100% sure the reason. Anyone else have the reason behind it?? It's almost 50-50 engine split on the order I believe with half the neo orders for Vueling.

LH Group has also both engine types on order. Currently they are getting PW birds and beinning from 2021 around it will be CFM. It has been said this is due to LH Technik and their engine capabilities/business. Could it be that this is the same reason for BA? I am not familiar with their MRO operations, so please correct me if I am wrong.

KarelXWB · Tue Sep 19, 2017 9:33 am

Second S7 Airlines delivered:

Airbus A320 -271N 7671 VQ-BCH S7 Airlines delivery 19sep17 XFW-DME ex D-AXAA

KarelXWB · Tue Sep 19, 2017 10:27 am

September has already seen an increase of P&W powered A320neo deliveries, and just like last year December will be ridiculously busy:

Pratt & Whitney remains on track to deliver 350-400 PW1000G geared turbofans (GTFs) in 2017, but it is working with Airbus to determine the mix of engines for new aircraft versus to grow a sizable spares pool supporting an entry-into-service reliability improvement program for A320neos.

"What we are working right now with Airbus is to see whether we want to…change the mix between engines that go towards new aircraft versus what goes into the lease pool this year to support the engines in the field better at this point in time," said Akhil Johri, CFO of Pratt parent United Technologies Corp. (UTC). "That's the only thing we are looking at. The number of total engines, 350 to 400--not a doubt at all at this point in time."

...

Pratt delivered 134 GTFs in the first half of 2017, including spares.

http://www.mro-network.com/maintenance- ... pares-pool

KarelXWB · Tue Sep 19, 2017 11:40 am

P&W opened another fan blade facility to support production ramp-up:

A key facility in Pratt & Whitney's campaign to get the production ramp-up for the geared turbofan engine family back on track "recently" opened in Lansing, Michigan, the manufacturer disclosed on 14 September.

In addition to opening the $97 million, 93,000ft2 fan blade production plant adjacent to P&W's AutoAir nacelle composite repair centre, the engine manufacturer also confirms it plans to open additional maintenance, repair and overhaul (MRO) facilities to meet reduced commitments to deliver 350-400 geared turbofan engines this year and more than 700 next year.

Article
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... ro-441202/

anshabhi · Tue Sep 19, 2017 11:58 am

Awesome to see PW 1100G coming back on track!

StTim · Tue Sep 19, 2017 12:02 pm

We have heard less complaints recently - have all the fixes required been implemented. Is it too early to tell if these have resolved the issues?

pugman211 · Tue Sep 19, 2017 1:15 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
September has already seen an increase of P&W powered A320neo deliveries, and just like last year December will be ridiculously busy:

Pratt & Whitney remains on track to deliver 350-400 PW1000G geared turbofans (GTFs) in 2017, but it is working with Airbus to determine the mix of engines for new aircraft versus to grow a sizable spares pool supporting an entry-into-service reliability improvement program for A320neos.

"What we are working right now with Airbus is to see whether we want to…change the mix between engines that go towards new aircraft versus what goes into the lease pool this year to support the engines in the field better at this point in time," said Akhil Johri, CFO of Pratt parent United Technologies Corp. (UTC). "That's the only thing we are looking at. The number of total engines, 350 to 400--not a doubt at all at this point in time."

...

Pratt delivered 134 GTFs in the first half of 2017, including spares.

http://www.mro-network.com/maintenance- ... pares-pool

I'm not so sure about that yet. Mostly cfm's coming down the line at the moment. I.e 1 in 10 is a Pratt frame.

EDIT: Now that I've read the link (should've done that first sorry), I think Pratt are clearly choosing to supply engines and spares to the already in service customer base, as described in the link above.

Either way, it's great to see them getting back on track.

KarelXWB · Tue Sep 19, 2017 1:20 pm

pugman211 wrote:
I'm not so sure about that yet. Mostly cfm's coming down the line at the moment. I.e 1 in 10 is a Pratt frame.

That's because Airbus delivers A320neo aircraft from the storage pool first. The production line won't increase until all aircraft in storage are gone.

pugman211 · Tue Sep 19, 2017 1:32 pm

So the question becomes how many a/c are left in the stock pool??

dynkrisolo · Tue Sep 19, 2017 4:14 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
September has already seen an increase of P&W powered A320neo deliveries, and just like last year December will be ridiculously busy:

Pratt & Whitney remains on track to deliver 350-400 PW1000G geared turbofans (GTFs) in 2017, but it is working with Airbus to determine the mix of engines for new aircraft versus to grow a sizable spares pool supporting an entry-into-service reliability improvement program for A320neos.

"What we are working right now with Airbus is to see whether we want to…change the mix between engines that go towards new aircraft versus what goes into the lease pool this year to support the engines in the field better at this point in time," said Akhil Johri, CFO of Pratt parent United Technologies Corp. (UTC). "That's the only thing we are looking at. The number of total engines, 350 to 400--not a doubt at all at this point in time."

...

Pratt delivered 134 GTFs in the first half of 2017, including spares.

http://www.mro-network.com/maintenance- ... pares-pool

It's amusing that some of you here take everything P&W says as 100% truth. They are doing damage control. When the CFO says:

"What we are working right now with Airbus is to see whether we want to…change the mix between engines that go towards new aircraft versus what goes into the lease pool this year to support the engines in the field better at this point in time,"

It probably means they will now deliver more spare engines than first planned. At the beginning of the year, I believe they were targeting 13-15% of the 350-400 total to be spares. Now, the share is likely higher. 1st half engine deliveries don't directly translate to aircraft deliveries. But take a look at the number: 134 engines delivered in 1st half but less than 25 CSeries and A320neos with Pratt engines delivered in 1st half. If we exclude some engines to support flight tests and some for July deliveries, we could still have 60-70 of the engines were for spares. Currently, there are still double-digit number of PW powered A320neos on the ground. IndiGo's VT-ITV is supposedly installed with the improved engines, but it hasn't been in service for five days! Pratt has a long way to go.

KarelXWB · Tue Sep 19, 2017 9:35 pm

dynkrisolo wrote:
It's amusing that some of you here take everything P&W says as 100% truth.

We do not have to take everything for granted as we have actual data. September will end with three times more P&W deliveries than the months before, and more aircraft are being pulled from storage. That means more engines are being shipped to Airbus, just as the article describes. Where else would Airbus suddenly get these engines from?

It probably means they will now deliver more spare engines than first planned.

Nobody claimed the ratio would remain unchanged; the point being that the bulk of those 350-400 engines will be delivered in H2 2017. Even when the share of spare engines has changed than initially planned, we should still see an increase of engine deliveries to Airbus.

And we do notice an increase of P&W flight activities in TLS and XFW as more aircraft are being pulled from storage.

IndiGo's VT-ITV is supposedly installed with the improved engines

That would be astonishing as the first improved engine didn't arrive until late April / early May while VT-ITV was delivered in early April.

lightsaber · Wed Sep 20, 2017 12:23 am

KarelXWB wrote:
We do not have to take everything for granted as we have actual data. September will end with three times more P&W deliveries than the months before, and more aircraft are being pulled from storage. That means more engines are being shipped to Airbus, just as the article describes. Where else would Airbus suddenly get these engines from?

That is good news on the delivery. Honestly, Pratt's PW1100G issues had me wondering when they were going to figure it out instead of reacting to management.

I could wish so many weren't needed for the lease pool, but cest la vie. It is more important to keep delivered airframes flying than the total quantity.

BOEING777EK · Wed Sep 20, 2017 3:07 pm

Ex. Qatar NEO A7-AJD Now Indigo VT-ITX today completed its 11th test flight! MSN 6904, A20N, IGO, F-WWBE, F11, TLS

KarelXWB · Wed Sep 20, 2017 4:31 pm

First HA A321neo (MSN 7917) emerged from final assembly:

A321neo Hawaiian Airlines N by Tobias Gudat, on Flickr

The second ANA A321neo (MSN 7881) emerged from final assembly too:

A321neo ANA J132A by Tobias Gudat, on Flickr

And finally another A321neo for Avianca (MSN 7847):

A321neo Avianca N761AV by Tobias Gudat, on Flickr

KarelXWB · Wed Sep 20, 2017 5:57 pm

The 4th S7 Siberian Airlines A320neo (MSN 7812) got its P&W engines installed.

A320neo S7 VQ-BCR by Tobias Gudat, on Flickr

maortega15 · Wed Sep 20, 2017 11:30 pm

I must say, I really like the look of the A321 with the new engine option. The new engines certainly make it look more proportional! However, it's the reverse for the A320neo where the engine looks a tad too big IMO. To each their own I guess.

lostsound · Thu Sep 21, 2017 7:29 am

That HA A321 is beautiful! Great livery on a great plane.

RalXWB · Thu Sep 21, 2017 7:45 am

What a beauty the HA 321 is! :thumbsup:

PhilDur · Thu Sep 21, 2017 7:51 am

KarelXWB wrote:
First HA A321neo (MSN 7917) emerged from final assembly:

Very nice livery, one of my favorites.
What will be the ferry route From TLS to HNL ?

Someone83 · Thu Sep 21, 2017 7:58 am

PhilDur wrote:
KarelXWB wrote:
First HA A321neo (MSN 7917) emerged from final assembly:

Very nice livery, one of my favorites.
What will be the ferry route From TLS to HNL ?

It is assembled in XFW

KarelXWB · Thu Sep 21, 2017 10:30 am

VV wrote:

Well-well-well, it becomes even more intriguing.

So, I would like to put it clearly.
1. MSN 6464 was supposed to be A319neo/PW flight test article
2. MSN 6620 was initially planned to be A319neo/CFM flight test article
3. MSN 6464 was converted to be an A319neo/CFM flight test article
4. MSN 6620 is now cancelled

That would be correct.

So, the A319neo/CFM will get its type certificate around mid-2018. And then maybe, just maybe. MSN 646 will be converted back to an A319neo/PW flight test article.

Earlier this year Airbus stated the P&W A319neo is due to follow after the CFM variant. That is all we know for the moment.

CFM certification may arrive earlier than mid-2018 BTW.

Questions:
1. When will the first A319neo/CFM enter into service after its certification?
2. When will the A319neo/PW be certified?

So, what's the plan?

This is even more interesting than I initially thought.

I have no proper answer on both questions.

PhilDur · Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:42 pm

Someone83 wrote:
PhilDur wrote:
KarelXWB wrote:
First HA A321neo (MSN 7917) emerged from final assembly:

Very nice livery, one of my favorites.
What will be the ferry route From TLS to HNL ?

It is assembled in XFW

What route from Delivery Center to HNL ?
Thank you for the constructive, remark. My mistake. :ashamed:

alasizon · Thu Sep 21, 2017 5:19 pm

PhilDur wrote:
Someone83 wrote:
PhilDur wrote:
Very nice livery, one of my favorites.
What will be the ferry route From TLS to HNL ?

It is assembled in XFW

What route from Delivery Center to HNL ?
Thank you for the constructive, remark. My mistake.

My guess is something along the lines of XFW-YHZ-ONT-HNL.They could theoretically stop just about anywhere West of the Rockies before continuing on to HNL. XFW-REK-ANC-HNL would be about 1000 miles shorter though if they want to go that route.

KarelXWB · Fri Sep 22, 2017 11:12 am

MSN 7860, an A320neo for AirAsia, has been spotted in final assembly in TSN.

Looks like the Chinese A320 plant is now assembling the NEO.

https://twitter.com/atterseeluftfah/sta ... 913639936/

KarelXWB · Fri Sep 22, 2017 11:54 am

After a long period of silence, GoAir activities are picking up again:

> MSN 7507 VT-WGF: delivered earlier this month
> MSN 7563 VT-WGG: parked at delivery centre
> MSN 7571 VT-WGH: flight testing
> MSN 7594 VT-WGI: first flight yesterday

VirginFlyer · Fri Sep 22, 2017 12:08 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
MSN 7860, an A320neo for AirAsia, has been spotted in final assembly in TSN.

Looks like the Chinese A320 plant is now assembling the NEO.

https://twitter.com/atterseeluftfah/sta ... 913639936/

I thought Tianjin was only going to be used for frames being delivered to China? Or is this for an AirAsia China?

V/F

PhilDur · Fri Sep 22, 2017 12:09 pm

alasizon wrote:
PhilDur wrote:
Someone83 wrote:

It is assembled in XFW

What route from Delivery Center to HNL ?
Thank you for the constructive, remark. My mistake.

My guess is something along the lines of XFW-YHZ-ONT-HNL.They could theoretically stop just about anywhere West of the Rockies before continuing on to HNL. XFW-REK-ANC-HNL would be about 1000 miles shorter though if they want to go that route.

Typical range is 3,700nm
According to Great Circle mapper ORD HNL is 3,688nm and XFW ORD is 3,699nm I thought a 2 hop trip could have been performed.
The plane will not have a big load.

flee · Fri Sep 22, 2017 1:47 pm

VirginFlyer wrote:
KarelXWB wrote:
MSN 7860, an A320neo for AirAsia, has been spotted in final assembly in TSN.

Looks like the Chinese A320 plant is now assembling the NEO.

https://twitter.com/atterseeluftfah/sta ... 913639936/

I thought Tianjin was only going to be used for frames being delivered to China? Or is this for an AirAsia China?

V/F

Airasia has stated that it needed more aircraft this year than Airbus can allocate to them - I guess that this TSN delivery slot was available and that Airasia was OK with being allocated this aircraft.

Airasia has also agreed to take some A320CEOs as there are slots available on that line.

KarelXWB · Fri Sep 22, 2017 10:23 pm

Volaris 4th A320neo, MSN 7626, sports purple engine nacelles (just like Volaris #3, MSN 7553, as posted earlier in this thread).

Airbus A320-271N-WL A320NEO N531VL Volaris (F-WWBU, MSN 7626, Maiden Flight) by Horatiu Goanta, on Flickr

Furthermore Volaris 5th A320neo, MSN 7688, has been pulled out of storage.

F-WWTK AIRBUS A320 VOLARIS by cliper31, on Flickr

KarelXWB · Fri Sep 22, 2017 10:27 pm

Lufthansa's 8th A320neo, MSN 7710, made its first flight today.

AIRBUS A320-271NEO LUFTHANSA F-WWTO MSN7710 (D-AINI) A L'AEROPORT TOULOUSE-BLAGNAC LE 22 09 17 by Jérémy Le roch, on Flickr

anshabhi · Sat Sep 23, 2017 2:58 am

Go Air's latest neo, delivered on 15 September suffers engine failure.
http://avherald.com/h?article=4aeb8a99

audidudi · Sat Sep 23, 2017 3:03 am

anshabhi wrote:
Go Air's latest neo, delivered on 15 September suffers engine failure.
http://avherald.com/h?article=4aeb8a99

No mention anywhere of the engine having "failed". It only mentions an engine "problem". At this point we don"t know what the problem was, or even whether the engine was shut down prior to landing. Hardly an engine failure for now!

Someone83 · Sat Sep 23, 2017 4:32 am

VirginFlyer wrote:
I thought Tianjin was only going to be used for frames being delivered to China? Or is this for an AirAsia China?

V/F

If I remember correctly I think AirAsia previously has taken at least one CEO from Tianjin

KarelXWB · Sat Sep 23, 2017 10:47 am

Avianca Colombia took delivery of another A321neo:

Airbus A321 -253N 7770 N759AV Avianca Colombia delivery 21sep17 XFW-TFS ex D-AZAL

KarelXWB · Sat Sep 23, 2017 11:05 am

Regarding further production increase, Airbus studies higher output in TSN:

http://aviationweek.com/commercial-avia ... ty-further

TIANJIN, China - Airbus is considering moving A330neo and A350 cabin completion work to its Chinese production facility here and is also studying increased output from the site’s A320 final assembly line. Fabrice Bregier, Airbus Commercial Aircraft president, pointed out at the opening of the A330 completion center that the facility is able to move to or add the A330neo and the A350 work. “That is in the plan,” he said.

KarelXWB · Sat Sep 23, 2017 11:18 am

Speaking about Tianjin, increases activities can be observed at Tianjin Airlines A320neo aircraft:

MSN 7495 GS #2 test flight last week in XFW after months of silence (first flight was performed in early 2017).

A320neo Tianjin Airlines B-8953 by Tobias Gudat, on Flickr

MSN 7533 GS #3 undergoes test flights in TLS.

F-WWDF AIRBUS A320 TIANJIN by cliper31, on Flickr

MSN 7547 GS #4 has been pulled out of storage in TLS.

F-WWBQ AIRBUS A320 TIANJIN by cliper31, on Flickr

KarelXWB · Sat Sep 23, 2017 11:55 am

BOEING777EK wrote:
Ex. Qatar NEO A7-AJD Now Indigo VT-ITX today completed its 11th test flight! MSN 6904, A20N, IGO, F-WWBE, F11, TLS

In addition, another ex-QR (MSN 6946) was ferried CHR-TLS two days ago after paint.

See https://www.flightradar24.com/AIB05BZ/ef109b8

IndiGo has 4 ex-QR A320neo lined-up for delivery:

> MSN 6904, ex-QR, refurbished & repainted: delivery centre
> MSN 6946, ex-QR, refurbished & repainted: flight testing
> MSN 7083, ex-QR, refurbished & repainted: flight testing
> MSN 7192, ex-QR, to be refurbished & repainted

As no further QR aircraft were built, this basically marks the end for the QR A320neo saga.

KarelXWB · Sat Sep 23, 2017 2:01 pm

Sichuan's second A320neo (MSN 7579) has been pulled out of storage and got its engines installed:

F-WWDT Airbus A320 Sichuan Airlines by cliper31, on Flickr

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