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Re: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 7

Thu Mar 02, 2017 6:23 pm

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What engines are planned to be installed on this? According to the data at http://www.pdxlight.com/neomax.htm (not updated since November 2015) of the 50 firm orders, 35 (17 Avianca and 18 Frontier) are CFM, and the other 15 are unspecified. Is the plan to certify both engine types regardless, or only certify the A319neo/PW1100 combination if orders come in?

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So 35 orders are confirmed to be the LEAP but you are asking if they plan on only certifying the PW?

Other way around. I assume certifying with the CFM is a given, so I'm asking if they plan on certifying with P&W regardless of orders, or if they'll only do that if the orders come in.

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Makes more sense now. Also to answer your question about the engine designation in the aircraft type, I think it simply comes to the engines being completely different.
 
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Pratt may have great GTF technology, but production ramp and initial in-service reliability does not look good. PW1100 is walking on thin ice...fix these issues soon and ramp-up...or endanger not only Pratt but OEM's that depend on GTF family including CSeries, MRJ...

...25% degradation of combustion chambers due to aircraft in coastal environments on engines only a few months old? Somebody more familiar with combustors explain please? And why this was not picked up during testing and certification? Also 28 engines removed because of a bearing...Ughh!!

The coastal environment implies salt interacting with hot parts (coatings?).

The PW1100G is much hotter than a C-series and the MRJ combustor/bearings do not see nearly the same heat or stress. But this must be understood and fixed.

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Fri Mar 03, 2017 1:56 am

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Also to answer your question about the engine designation in the aircraft type, I think it simply comes to the engines being completely different.

That's what I had assumed too, but the number 2 was used for the PW JT9D (A300B2-320, A300B4-120, A300B4-220, A300-620, A310-221, A310-222, A310-322), its replacement the PW4000 (A300-622, A300-324, A300-325, A330-221, A330-222, A330-223, A330-321, A330-322, A330-323), and the entirely unrelated PW6000 (A318-122, A318-122). I guess they just changed the way they do it then?

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Fri Mar 03, 2017 2:01 am

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Also to answer your question about the engine designation in the aircraft type, I think it simply comes to the engines being completely different.

That's what I had assumed too, but the number 2 was used for the PW JT9D (A300B2-320, A300B4-120, A300B4-220, A300-620, A310-221, A310-222, A310-322), its replacement the PW4000 (A300-622, A300-324, A300-325, A330-221, A330-222, A330-223, A330-321, A330-322, A330-323), and the entirely unrelated PW6000 (A318-122, A318-122). I guess they just changed the way they do it then?

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I also noticed that they seemed to just add 4 to the engine designation for the neo compared to the ceo.

CFM on the A320ceo is designated 1.
CFM on the A320neo is 5

1+4 = 5

IAE/PW on the A320ceo is 3
PW on the A320neo is 7

3+4 = 7

Pretty interesting, my guess for not going with 2 for the PW engine was that it would be weird to go to a lower number for a newer engine.
 
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Fri Mar 03, 2017 3:26 am

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Man the A319 looks so small to me now, imagine an A318neo...


Wish they'd do it, it would look awesome. I'm tired of all these ungainly looking twin stretches, we don't even get to have a real MAX-7. The A320 series with its more rounded nose looks best as a shortie in my opinion, plus the shorter a fuselage is, the bigger the engines look.
 
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Fri Mar 03, 2017 7:43 am

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What engines are planned to be installed on this? According to the data at http://www.pdxlight.com/neomax.htm (not updated since November 2015) of the 50 firm orders, 35 (17 Avianca and 18 Frontier) are CFM, and the other 15 are unspecified. Is the plan to certify both engine types regardless, or only certify the A319neo/PW1100 combination if orders come in?

V/F


So 35 orders are confirmed to be the LEAP but you are asking if they plan on only certifying the PW?

Other way around. I assume certifying with the CFM is a given, so I'm asking if they plan on certifying with P&W regardless of orders, or if they'll only do that if the orders come in.

V/F


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Fri Mar 03, 2017 4:07 pm

India's DGCA has ordered an enquiry into PW NEO engines:

http://m.economictimes.com/industry/tra ... 398124.cms
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Couldn't resist posting this classic.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NNOrp_83RU
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Sat Mar 04, 2017 12:01 am

Next delivery:

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Sat Mar 04, 2017 10:47 am

Next P&W delivery:

7483 Airbus A320-271N(WL) JA212A All Nippon Airways 02. Mar 2017 D-AVVO


And another one for SAS:

7489 Airbus A320-251N(WL) SE-DOX SAS Scandinavian Airlines 04. Mar 2017 F-WWBS
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Re: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 7

Sat Mar 04, 2017 11:09 am

HK Express released some impressive fuel burn data of their A320neo aircraft.

Even more impressive when you take into account that their A320neo is heavier due to the additional seats over the A320ceo.

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Sat Mar 04, 2017 12:34 pm

It seems like Airbus has managed to increase the delivery rate? Have P&W and CFM managed to solve their delivery problems?
 
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Sat Mar 04, 2017 1:22 pm

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Also 28 engines removed because of a bearing...Ughh!!


To put things more into perspective, AirInsight plotted a table with A320neo operating statistics:

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https://airinsight.com/2017/03/02/analy ... uary-2017/
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Sat Mar 04, 2017 1:25 pm

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It seems like Airbus has managed to increase the delivery rate? Have P&W and CFM managed to solve their delivery problems?


As we are only two months into 2017 it is way too soon to say something meaningful on deliveries. Airbus aims to deliver three times more A320neo aircraft than 2016 which should equal some 180-200 deliveries.
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Sat Mar 04, 2017 3:31 pm

India's DGCA identifies new gearbox issue on PW1100G

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... 0g-434808/

Another Pratt engine in A-320 Neo develops snag; IndiGo plane grounded


http://m.timesofindia.com/business/indi ... 468254.cms
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KarelXWB wrote:
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Also 28 engines removed because of a bearing...Ughh!!


To put things more into perspective, AirInsight plotted a table with A320neo operating statistics:

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https://airinsight.com/2017/03/02/analy ... uary-2017/



Encouraging numbers and performance indicators. The engines will do great when bearing, combustor issues have been solved & engines installed.

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Re: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 7

Sat Mar 04, 2017 4:44 pm

The Frontier planes are CFM powered and do not have bearing issues.
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Sat Mar 04, 2017 4:49 pm

Any updates to a concrete reason as to why the 2nd Frontier neo was rejected?
 
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Sat Mar 04, 2017 4:52 pm

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Any updates to a concrete reason as to why the 2nd Frontier neo was rejected?


Rumor has it that MSN 7181 suffered damage from a hydraulic explosion. Hence the customer rejected the aircraft.

The Flo the Flamingo livery has been transferred to MSN 7538 (to be N308FR).

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Sat Mar 04, 2017 5:00 pm

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ikolkyo wrote:
Any updates to a concrete reason as to why the 2nd Frontier neo was rejected?


Rumor has it that MSN 7181 suffered damage from a hydraulic explosion. Hence the customer rejected the aircraft.

The Flo the Flamingo livery has been transferred to MSN 7538 (to be N308FR).

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A320neo Frontier N308FR by Tobias Gudat, on Flickr


Interesting, wonder what airline will end up with the aircraft. Unless the damage is so severe that it gets scrapped (Which I doubt)
 
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Sat Mar 04, 2017 5:01 pm

I doubt it will get scrapped. I have heard of hydraulic explosions on A320s before, and it even happened on A330s and an A350 during final assembly. Aircraft can be repaired, and most of the time the customer is fine with it.
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Re: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 7

Sat Mar 04, 2017 5:05 pm

Additional flight activities from last week:

1) HK Express' 3rd PW1100G powered A320neo (MSN 7512) made a test flight yesterday and wil be delivered this month.

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2) Azul's 7th LEAP powered A320neo (MSN 7494) was moved to the delivery centre.

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Sat Mar 04, 2017 6:12 pm

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To put things more into perspective, AirInsight plotted a table with A320neo operating statistics:

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https://airinsight.com/2017/03/02/analy ... uary-2017/


But do these statistics include aircraft not being scheduled at all...because they are AOG awaiting maintenance for PW1100 bearings, combustion chambers, blades, etc.? Probably not.
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Sat Mar 04, 2017 10:31 pm

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HK Express released some impressive fuel burn data of their A320neo aircraft.

Even more impressive when you take into account that their A320neo is heavier due to the additional seats over the A320ceo.

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https://twitter.com/torbjorngk/status/8 ... 7456779264


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What's the difference between A320V &A320 ?


Sharklet vs non sharklet.
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Next delivery:

Airbus A320 -251N 7494 PR-YRH Azul Linhas Aéreas delivery 05mar17 TLS-SID-CNF ex F-WWID
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Sun Mar 05, 2017 7:14 pm

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What's the difference between A320V &A320 ?


Sharklet vs non sharklet.


Are there more seats in the sharklet version or something else different as I wonder why the sharklet verison consums more fuel on taxi-out, cruise and taxi-in than the non-sharklet version according to the table (all other results favor sharklet version)?
 
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Sun Mar 05, 2017 7:17 pm

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KarelXWB wrote:
Aviaponcho wrote:
What's the difference between A320V &A320 ?


Sharklet vs non sharklet.


Are there more seats in the sharklet version or something else different as I wonder why the sharklet verison consums more fuel on taxi-out, cruise and taxi-in than the non-sharklet version according to the table (all other results favor sharklet version)?



Added weight of sharklets over Wing tip fences?
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Re: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 7

Sun Mar 05, 2017 8:42 pm

Looking at that chart, it seems Airbus is handily beating their 15% target, and that's over the A320 with sharklets.

I too am curious about why it seems the A320S(harklets) has worse fuel burn on taxi and cruise (where the plane will generally spend most of its time).
 
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India's DGCA identifies new gearbox issue on PW1100G
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... 0g-434808/

Wow, "great" article.
42 engine swaps, but FG puts the one as headline which was a single issue.

Another Pratt engine in A-320 Neo develops snag; IndiGo plane grounded

As eto be xpected, 42 swaps in less than a year with less than 100 in service, we should see one every week.
 
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Re: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 7

Sun Mar 05, 2017 10:42 pm

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Looking at that chart, it seems Airbus is handily beating their 15% target, and that's over the A320 with sharklets.

I too am curious about why it seems the A320S(harklets) has worse fuel burn on taxi and cruise (where the plane will generally spend most of its time).

I'm not sure if this is the full reason, but induced drag, which winglets are designed to reduce, is a less significant contributor to the total drag during flight at low angles of attack/high speed.

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Re: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 7

Thu Mar 09, 2017 12:29 pm

Next delivery:

Airbus A320 -251N 7505 PK-GTC Citilink Express delivery 09-10mar17 TLS-DWC-CMB-CGK ex D-AVVV
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Thu Mar 16, 2017 12:30 pm

First A320 Neo for EasyJet will start heading towards FAL start soon.
 
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Mon Mar 20, 2017 12:30 pm

Two more deliveries last week, one P&W and one CFM:

Airbus A320 -251N 7508 HS-BBZ Thai AirAsia delivery 16-17mar17 TLS-DWC-DMK ex F-WWBX


Airbus A320 -271N 7512 B-LCN Hong Kong Express delivery 15-16mar17 TLS-RKT-HKG ex F-WWIG
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Re: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 7

Mon Mar 20, 2017 3:57 pm

Few movements from last week:

1) Tianjin's first A320neo, MSN 7333, has moved to the delivery centre.

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2) Interjet's first A320neo, MSN 7523, has moved to the delivery centre.

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A couple of quick questions,
1. When will the first A321NEO be delivered?

2. How many A320NEO delivered so far?
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Re: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 7

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According to this list, Airbus delivered 20 A320neo so far.
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    KarelXWB wrote:
    According to this list, Airbus delivered 20 A320neo so far.

    That's 20 on 2017 so far, but 88 all up.

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    Mon Mar 20, 2017 9:24 pm

    IndiGo receives yet another A320neo:

    Aitbus A320 -271N 7396 VT-ITR IndiGo Airlines delivery 20mar17 TLS-DEL ex F-WWIX


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    According to this list, Airbus delivered 20 A320neo so far.


    plus one for Indigo today
     
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    IndiGo will get delivery of 1 NEO every 9 days till 2027.
    http://timesofindia.com/city/nagpur/ind ... 696893.cms

    Also, it's looking to convert some orders to A321Neo.
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    Tue Mar 21, 2017 6:21 pm

    Another IndiGo A320neo delivered, just one day after the previous one:

    Airbus A320 -271N 7391 VT-ITQ IndiGo Airlines delivery 21mar17 TLS-DEL ex F-WWDG
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    Another IndiGo A320neo delivered, just one day after the previous one:

    Airbus A320 -271N 7391 VT-ITQ IndiGo Airlines delivery 21mar17 TLS-DEL ex F-WWDG

    There goes the one NEO every 9 days. ;)

    Seriously, what is the regulatory status of the PW1100G in India? I've read too much bad information lately...

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    Tue Mar 21, 2017 6:42 pm

    And IndiGo is taking more ex-QR A320neo aircraft.

    After MSN 6772 was delivered on February 10, two more QR A320neo aircraft have been spotted in IndiGo colors:

    1) MSN 6829 in XFW:

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    2) MSN 6904 with an IndiGo engine and patched up fuselage, probably heading to paint at CHR:

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    Wonder what they were patching up on that thing.
     
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    Airbus announces a new MSN format with 5 digits https://youtu.be/eLvLlEvYELs
     
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    Here is Wow Air's first A320neo (MSN 7560):

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    KarelXWB wrote:
    Few movements from last week:

    1) Tianjin's first A320neo, MSN 7333, has moved to the delivery centre.


    Another Tianjin A320neo, MSN 7495. has been spotted in XFW:
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    Airbus announces a new MSN format with 5 digits https://youtu.be/eLvLlEvYELs

    Excellent. Since parts are ordered two years out for specific MSNs, this is a timely change.

    99,999 is enough for the NEO IMHO.

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    Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos