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Mon Dec 12, 2016 10:01 am

A321 NEO certification & deliveries have been delayed, it appears.

First deliveries were for late 2016. I do not foresee imminent TC / deliveries.



Does it have to do with engine integration, paperwork, software updates, flight characteristics ?

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Re: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 11

Mon Dec 12, 2016 10:09 am

Due to engine shaft bending, the P&W A321neo flew much later than planned.
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Re: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 11

Mon Dec 12, 2016 10:13 am

KarelXWB wrote:
Due to engine shaft bending, the P&W A321neo flew much later than planned.


I selected a picture of the LEAP equipped A321, who flew first in Feb, for a reason. Is there more? How many A321NEO's are on the FAL ?
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Mon Dec 12, 2016 10:13 am

Qatar Airways wants to swap Airbus A320neos for A321neos, new delivery date:
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-qatar ... 410U0?il=0
 
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Mon Dec 12, 2016 10:19 am

keesje wrote:
KarelXWB wrote:
Due to engine shaft bending, the P&W A321neo flew much later than planned.


I selected a picture of the LEAP equipped A321, who flew first in Feb, for a reason. Is there more? How many A321NEO's are on the FAL ?


There is nothing more. The P&W A321neo was supposed to fly before the CFM A321neo and certified in 2016, followed by CFM a bit later. Due to the engine shaft issues, the P&W A321neo flew much later than initially planned and became behind CFM.

The first delivery in December 2016 was supposed to be a P&W A321neo to Qatar Airways. That's off the table now.
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Mon Dec 12, 2016 12:13 pm

Very surprising that QR is switching to LEAP engines on the proposed A321neo order - not sure that is a wise move longer-term, despite the GTF ramp-up issues.
 
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Mon Dec 12, 2016 12:43 pm

As for A321neo production slots, ATDB says the following:

- MSN 7428: A321-271N, Qatar Airways
- MSN 7486: A321-271N, SriLankan Airlines
- MSN 7501: A321-271N, Qatar Airways
- MSN 7530: A321-271N, China Southern Airlines
- MSN 7535: A321-271N, SriLankan Airlines
- MSN 7548: A321-271N, China Southern Airlines
- MSN 7567: A321-271N, Air Astana
- MSN 7589: A321-253N, Virgin America
- MSN 7610: A321-271N, Qatar Airways
- MSN 7634: A321-271N, Air Astana

So if QR is out, SriLankan or China Southern may become the P&W launch operator while Virgin America is set to become the CFM launch operator.
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Mon Dec 12, 2016 4:36 pm

WholaLottaLove wrote:
Very surprising that QR is switching to LEAP engines on the proposed A321neo order - not sure that is a wise move longer-term, despite the GTF ramp-up issues.


If they are switching.
 
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Mon Dec 12, 2016 6:36 pm

G'day

AngMoh wrote:
And now Qatar wants A321neo instead of A320neo...


Looks like a win win situation to me :scratchchin:

Airbus for the time being gets rid of U-turn Al chronically complaining about the A320 series and its P&W engines. Airbus will still get enough of his BS for the A350 series. Since Qatar are no longer a launch customer for the A321NEO Airbus will hopefully make some real money with that conversion. That is provided Qatar (the airline that is) still exists when delivery is due and U-turn Al has not decided to go with the MAX 10 or the MoM instead :duck: :banghead:

Former Qatar slots can be diverted to more reasonable airlines who will be happy to take advantage of the situation with the presently limited supply of engines. :twocents:


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Mon Dec 12, 2016 7:17 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
As for A321neo production slots, ATDB says the following:

- MSN 7428: A321-271N, Qatar Airways
- MSN 7486: A321-271N, SriLankan Airlines
- MSN 7501: A321-271N, Qatar Airways
- MSN 7530: A321-271N, China Southern Airlines
- MSN 7535: A321-271N, SriLankan Airlines
- MSN 7548: A321-271N, China Southern Airlines
- MSN 7567: A321-271N, Air Astana
- MSN 7589: A321-253N, Virgin America
- MSN 7610: A321-271N, Qatar Airways
- MSN 7634: A321-271N, Air Astana

So if QR is out, SriLankan or China Southern may become the P&W launch operator while Virgin
America is set to become the CFM launch operator.




I think Qatar has deferred, China Southern has 2 so far and an undisclosed one has been seen.
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Re: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 11

Mon Dec 12, 2016 7:22 pm

Heavierthanair wrote:
G'day

AngMoh wrote:
And now Qatar wants A321neo instead of A320neo...


Looks like a win win situation to me :scratchchin:

Airbus for the time being gets rid of U-turn Al chronically complaining about the A320 series and its P&W engines. Airbus will still get enough of his BS for the A350 series. Since Qatar are no longer a launch customer for the A321NEO Airbus will hopefully make some real money with that conversion. That is provided Qatar (the airline that is) still exists when delivery is due and U-turn Al has not decided to go with the MAX 10 or the MoM instead :duck: :banghead:

Former Qatar slots can be diverted to more reasonable airlines who will be happy to take advantage of the situation with the presently limited supply of engines. :twocents:


Cheers

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It could now be the limited supply of engines. CFM has promised and unprecedented ramp of LEAP engines. For both -8MAX and A321NEO...

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Re: Airbus A320NEO Production Thread - Part 11

Tue Dec 13, 2016 12:30 am

KarelXWB wrote:
As for A321neo production slots, ATDB says the following:

- MSN 7428: A321-271N, Qatar Airways
- MSN 7486: A321-271N, SriLankan Airlines
- MSN 7501: A321-271N, Qatar Airways
- MSN 7530: A321-271N, China Southern Airlines
- MSN 7535: A321-271N, SriLankan Airlines

So if QR is out, SriLankan or China Southern may become the P&W launch operator while Virgin America is set to become the CFM launch operator.


Since time eternal the "launch customer" has been defined as the customer(s) that puts up the $$$$ to launch the airplane, only recently have some people construed it to mean the first customer to fly the airplane. ILFC is the launch customer for the A321NEO regardless of who takes delivery of the first airplane.

There were 4 launch customers on the 777X (Lufthansa/Etihad/Qatar/Emirates) but only 1 will take the first delivery.

A "launch operator" is somebody who drives a boat.
 
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Wed Dec 14, 2016 8:41 am

Jack the Rabbit delivered:

Airbus A320 -251N 7367 N304FR Frontier Airlines delivery 14dec16 TLS-YYR-TPA "Jack the Rabbit" ex F-WWIO


And China Southern receives its first A320neo:

Airbus A320 -271N 6975 B-8545 China Southern delivery 14dec16 XFW-TSE ex F-WWBP
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Since time eternal the "launch customer" has been defined as the customer(s) that puts up the $$$$ to launch the airplane, only recently have some people construed it to mean the first customer to fly the airplane. ILFC is the launch customer for the A321NEO regardless of who takes delivery of the first airplane.

There were 4 launch customers on the 777X (Lufthansa/Etihad/Qatar/Emirates) but only 1 will take the first delivery.

A "launch operator" is somebody who drives a boat.


So how would you like to call the first airline that puts a new type into service?
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Wed Dec 14, 2016 3:14 pm

Word is on the street that A321neo certification may come as early as tomorrow.

https://twitter.com/LeehamNews/status/8 ... 3461701632
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Wed Dec 14, 2016 3:36 pm

Will that be the LEAP or the GTF version - or perhaps even both?
 
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Unless things have changed, the GTF is supposed to be first.
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Wed Dec 14, 2016 11:29 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
7BOEING7 wrote:
Since time eternal the "launch customer" has been defined as the customer(s) that puts up the $$$$ to launch the airplane, only recently have some people construed it to mean the first customer to fly the airplane. ILFC is the launch customer for the A321NEO regardless of who takes delivery of the first airplane.

There were 4 launch customers on the 777X (Lufthansa/Etihad/Qatar/Emirates) but only 1 will take the first delivery.

A "launch operator" is somebody who drives a boat.


So how would you like to call the first airline that puts a new type into service?


How about initial operator or something similar, first in service, or...?
 
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Thu Dec 15, 2016 12:26 am

KarelXWB wrote:
Word is on the street that A321neo certification may come as early as tomorrow.

https://twitter.com/LeehamNews/status/8 ... 3461701632

Exciting!!!

I'm much more interested in the A321NEO as the NEO engine eliminates or reduces some of the handicap of the larger frame. For example, JetBlue's A321NEOs with 200 seats will have TCON range. The 35k engine variant will help takeoff performance. 2-class A321NEOs will have 20% more range and the LR TATL range. :).

The 757 space is about to see a step change in economics.

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Thu Dec 15, 2016 7:34 am

KarelXWB wrote:
Unless things have changed, the GTF is supposed to be first.


If not that way, it would be very desapointing for PW :banghead:

But who knows...
 
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Thu Dec 15, 2016 9:02 am

Spirit's 5th A320neo delivered today.

Airbus A320 -271N 7334 N905NK Spirit Airlines delivery 15dec16 TLS-YYR-FLL ex F-WWIQ
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MSN 7505, Citilink second A320neo, emerged from final assembly at XFW.

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Thu Dec 15, 2016 1:54 pm

Airbus A321neo with P&W engines receives Type Certification:

http://www.airbus.com/presscentre/press ... ification/

Following a comprehensive flight test programme, the A321neo powered by Pratt & Whitney’s PurePower PW1100G-JM engines received joint Type Certification from the European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA) and the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) on 15th December 2016.

The documents were respectively signed by EASA’s Certification Director Trevor Woods and by Jeffrey Duven, FAA Manager of the Transport Airplane Directorate - Aircraft Certification Service. Both certificates were handed over to Airbus Executive Vice President Programmes, Didier Evrard, and Airbus Senior Vice President A320 Family Programme, Klaus Roewe.
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Thu Dec 15, 2016 2:03 pm

And a video from Airbus showing some of the tests in the flight test campaign
https://www.facebook.com/airbus/videos/ ... 092363836/
 
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Well done Airbus, time to open the flood gates!
 
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Need the engines to be flowing down the line.

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And another one delivered:

Airbus A320 -251N 7323 PR-OBF Avianca Brasil delivery 15-16dec16 TLS-SID-POA ex F-WWIS
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Fri Dec 16, 2016 6:55 am

Join us in congratulating our friends @FlyANA_official on the delivery of their 1st #A320neo! 32 more to go…


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Thunderboltdrgn wrote:
Join us in congratulating our friends @FlyANA_official on the delivery of their 1st #A320neo! 32 more to go…


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https://twitter.com/Airbus/status/809651080124432384


That is such an elegant scheme, my favourite looking NEO so far.
 
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Yep, ANA's first A320neo delivered.

Airbus A320 -271N 7401 JA211A ANA All Nippon delivery 16-17dec16 XFW-OVB-HND ex D-AXAS
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Already 11 Neo deliveries between December 1-16. More than in November. Impressive!
How many more are coming before January 1st?
 
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Next delivery:

Airbus A320 -251N 7359 TC-NBG Pegasus Airlines delivery 16dec16 TLS-SAW ex F-WWDI
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Already 11 Neo deliveries between December 1-16. More than in November. Impressive!
How many more are coming before January 1st?


I actually count 14 deliveries so far.

Shouldn't be too difficult to deliver 20+ A320neo aircraft this month.
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Second China Southern delivered:

Airbus A320 -271N 7129 B-8637 China Southern delivery 17dec16 TLS-TSE ex F-WWDP
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Seems like SAS has recieved their 4th A320neo.
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D-AVVA, MSN6286 and second A320neo prototype on it's second first flight after being reconfigured for LATAM:

https://www.flightradar24.com/AIB286A/bf140a2
 
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That is quite a quick reconfiguration. I suppose as it is a derivative that the instrumentation loads were not as intensive as say the A350 test frames.
 
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MSN 6286 reconfiguration must have started during the summer, the plane got its engines removed in August.

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MSN 6286 seen in LATAM livery last November.

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Thu Dec 22, 2016 3:15 pm

MSN 6914 delivered:

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Delivery of MSN 7386, Azul's #5

Airbus A320 -251N 7386 PR-YRE Azul Linhas Aéreas delivery 23dec16 TLS-SID-CNF ex F-WWDR
 
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Air India's first A320neo, MSN 7475, emerged from paint.

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Double delivery to Pegasus:

Airbus A320 -251N 7380 TC-NBE Pegasus Airlines delivery 23dec16 TLS-SAW (+ 7429 TC-NBI ex F-WWDY) ex F-WWIV
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Happy Holidays.
Has anyone done a summary for 2016 (Qty Pratt and Qty CFM) NEO deliveries?

I'm already seeing Pratt deliveries (e.g., HA) delayed in 2017. :(

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lightsaber wrote:
Happy Holidays.
Has anyone done a summary for 2016 (Qty Pratt and Qty CFM) NEO deliveries?

I'm already seeing Pratt deliveries (e.g., HA) delayed in 2017. :(

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Next IndiGo delivery:

Airbus A320 -271N 7252 VT-ITN IndiGo Airlines delivery 28dec16 XFW-DEL ex D-AXAB
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Next Pegasus delivery:

Airbus A320 -251N 7399 TC-NBH Pegasus Airlines delivery 29dec16 TLS-SAW ex F-WWIP
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Second LATAM delivery:

Airbus A320 -271N 6286 PT-TMM Latam Brasil delivery 30-31dec16 XFW-SID-CNF ex D-AVVA
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Next up:

Airbus A320 -216 7417 HS-BBY Thai AirAsia delivery 30-31dec16 TLS-DWC-DMK ex F-WWDC
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As per Lufthansa News on Twitter, they have received their 5th A320neo last night.
 
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Next delivery:

Airbus A320 -271N 7273 B-LCM Hong Kong Express delivery 31dec16 TLS-RKT-HKG ex D-AXAE
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