787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 43

817Dreamliiner · Thu Jun 01, 2017 8:15 pm

Second 787-10 is back in the air today after spending time on the ground at BFI after its ferry flight from CHS. Not sure what it was doing though, but its interesting that its flying as BOE002 and not BOE036

https://fr24.com/BOE002/d96e452

KarelXWB · Tue Jun 06, 2017 8:52 am

First 787 for El Al has entered final assembly:

4X- El Al Israel Airlines Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner - C/N 63548 / LN 590 by Woodys Aeroimages, on Flickr

Sooner787 · Tue Jun 06, 2017 1:54 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
First 787 for El Al has entered final assembly:

4X- El Al Israel Airlines Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner - C/N 63548 / LN 590 by Woodys Aeroimages, on Flickr

That'll be one slick looking Dreamliner

andymartin · Wed Jun 07, 2017 8:10 am

Hi, 3 quick questions
When will Air France receive their 3rd 789?
Are AA getting any more 788s?
Are UA getting any more 789s?
Thanks

hkcanadaexpat · Wed Jun 07, 2017 9:13 am

andymartin wrote:
Hi, 3 quick questions
When will Air France receive their 3rd 789?
Are AA getting any more 788s?
Are UA getting any more 789s?
Thanks

AF #3 delivery scheduled for end of September. No more AA 788s in current order book. 5 more UA 789s in current order book. 3x 2017. 2x 2018.

817Dreamliiner · Thu Jun 08, 2017 7:35 pm

Third Boeing 787-10 N565ZC (second RR powered) currently on its first flight as BOE002 from CHS https://fr24.com/BOE002/daa9a97

KarelXWB · Fri Jun 09, 2017 9:51 am

Some updates regarding the 787-10 flight test campaign:

https://twitter.com/airwayslive/status/ ... 5229151232

KarelXWB · Sun Jun 11, 2017 8:21 pm

LN 19 got its engines installed:

Boeing 787-8 C/N 35508 / LN 19 by Woodys Aeroimages, on Flickr

n471wn · Mon Jun 12, 2017 3:25 pm

Does anyone know where line #19 is headed?

jeffrey0032j · Mon Jun 12, 2017 3:41 pm

What is the status of LN11 (KE VIP, N507BJ), hasn't flown for more than 2 years it seems. Is it still undergoing VIP conversion or has it been stalled?

KarelXWB · Tue Jun 13, 2017 12:13 pm

LN 10 has been repainted in ET livery:

ET-ATG Ethiopian Airlines Boeing 787-8 C/N 38464 / LN 10 Yeha by Woodys Aeroimages, on Flickr

DY789 · Tue Jun 13, 2017 2:20 pm

Surely ET can't be taking delivery of many more 787's? Everytime I check this thread, ET seem to have another one!

frigatebird · Tue Jun 13, 2017 2:46 pm

DY789 wrote:
Surely ET can't be taking delivery of many more 787's? Everytime I check this thread, ET seem to have another one!

They will lease a 4 more 787-9's from Aercap. First one to be delivered at the end of this year according to NYC787's tables.

Ronaldo747 · Tue Jun 13, 2017 7:30 pm

The third 787-10 is flying.

https://www.flightradar24.com/BOE002/db8e824

seabosdca · Tue Jun 13, 2017 10:45 pm

jeffrey0032j wrote:
What is the status of LN11 (KE VIP, N507BJ), hasn't flown for more than 2 years it seems. Is it still undergoing VIP conversion or has it been stalled?

Still at Greenpoint at MWH. Unknown whether work is actively happening, but 2+ years isn't that much longer than normal for government VIP outfitting.

kanban · Tue Jun 13, 2017 11:09 pm

seabosdca wrote:
jeffrey0032j wrote:
What is the status of LN11 (KE VIP, N507BJ), hasn't flown for more than 2 years it seems. Is it still undergoing VIP conversion or has it been stalled?

Still at Greenpoint at MWH. Unknown whether work is actively happening, but 2+ years isn't that much longer than normal for government VIP outfitting.

The recent political shakeup may have something to do with the delay.. or that lack of a sacrificial goat

NG263 · Wed Jun 14, 2017 1:09 pm

More strange in my opinion are the two 787BBJ of the Saudi Ministry of Finance. Those two have been under VIP conversion for the past 3 and a half years! Does anybody have some info on them?

KarelXWB · Sun Jun 18, 2017 9:23 am

Few photos of the inside of the 787-10 test airplane:

https://twitter.com/airwayslive/status/ ... 6522522624

KarelXWB · Sun Jun 18, 2017 10:59 am

LN 10 performed its first flight yesterday:

ET-ATG Ethiopian Airlines Boeing 787-8 C/N 38464 / LN 10 by Woodys Aeroimages, on Flickr

dodoma · Sun Jun 18, 2017 11:17 am

KarelXWB wrote:
LN 10 performed its first flight yesterday:

ET-ATG Ethiopian Airlines Boeing 787-8 C/N 38464 / LN 10 by Woodys Aeroimages, on Flickr

Well that was just a test flight, first flight was on May 3rd

And since then it has also flown to VCV for repaint

Source: https://twitter.com/AeroimagesChris/status/859895932673863688

KarelXWB · Sun Jun 18, 2017 4:53 pm

Small update on the 787-10 test campaign:

"We've essentially completed 30% of our flight-test programme," says Wayne Tygert, Boeing's deputy chief project engineer 787 derivatives development. He says the programme is working towards its target of certification and first deliveries to launch customer Singapore Airlines in the first half of next year.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... ng-438330/

Stitch · Sun Jun 18, 2017 5:07 pm

Boeing also reports "no squaks" with the 787-10 flight test program so looks like it will be a smooth process like the 787-9's, which is not really surprising since it shares like 95% of it's parts with the -9 and the production process is finally fully ironed out.

PM · Sun Jun 18, 2017 6:33 pm

frigatebird wrote:
DY789 wrote:
Surely ET can't be taking delivery of many more 787's? Everytime I check this thread, ET seem to have another one!

They will lease a 4 more 787-9's from Aercap. First one to be delivered at the end of this year according to NYC787's tables.

Moreover, they will have RR engines, not GE...

LoganTheBogan · Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:56 am

KarelXWB wrote:
Small update on the 787-10 test campaign:

"We've essentially completed 30% of our flight-test programme," says Wayne Tygert, Boeing's deputy chief project engineer 787 derivatives development. He says the programme is working towards its target of certification and first deliveries to launch customer Singapore Airlines in the first half of next year.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... ng-438330/

The article states that the 787-10 with the GE engines is using the GE9X. Shouldn't it be the GENX or have I missed something?

Tedd · Mon Jun 19, 2017 1:26 pm

LoganTheBogan wrote:
KarelXWB wrote:
Small update on the 787-10 test campaign:

"We've essentially completed 30% of our flight-test programme," says Wayne Tygert, Boeing's deputy chief project engineer 787 derivatives development. He says the programme is working towards its target of certification and first deliveries to launch customer Singapore Airlines in the first half of next year.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... ng-438330/

The article states that the 787-10 with the GE engines is using the GE9X. Shouldn't it be the GENX or have I missed something?

Deffo GEnx. We won`t see GE9X till debut of B777-9.

seabosdca · Mon Jun 19, 2017 9:49 pm

PM wrote:
Moreover, they will have RR engines, not GE...

787-9 won't have tremendously long range out of ADD. As with ET's "teens," these aircraft will be regional and Europe workhorses, with the later-build 787-8s and the A350s flying the longer routes. RR is the better choice for 787s flying short stage lengths.

ikolkyo · Mon Jun 19, 2017 11:48 pm

seabosdca wrote:
PM wrote:
Moreover, they will have RR engines, not GE...

787-9 won't have tremendously long range out of ADD. As with ET's "teens," these aircraft will be regional and Europe workhorses, with the later-build 787-8s and the A350s flying the longer routes. RR is the better choice for 787s flying short stage lengths.

Well the 789 has more range than the 788. Also it's a very capable aircraft and I know ADD is tough on these planes but so wouldnt doubt the capabilities of the 789.

seabosdca · Tue Jun 20, 2017 6:05 am

ikolkyo wrote:
Well the 789 has more range than the 788. Also it's a very capable aircraft and I know ADD is tough on these planes but so wouldnt doubt the capabilities of the 789.

It's a matter of field performance at ADD, which is an extremely high-altitude airport. Every widebody aircraft in existence is weight limited out of ADD to a greater or lesser extent. The 789 is significantly more limited than the 788, which translates into shorter range.

Have a look at the 787 ACAPS. Specifically, look at high thrust ratings on 787-8, ISA +15 (which is close enough to average temperature at ADD), and the 8000' pressure altitude curve. This is not precise information but it gives a useful big-picture view. 787-8 can take off with a gross weight of around 211 t, and 787-9 only improves that to 216 t - considerably less than the empty weight difference between the two aircraft. Then the 787-9 takes a further hit on the fuel in can lift as a result of the ~3 t of extra passengers it will be carrying.

(ADD takeoff weight limitations are also the reason ET was such a good fit for the six "teens" it took, which are limited to a lower MGTOW than later builds. I was honestly surprised it didn't take all of them.)

KarelXWB · Tue Jun 20, 2017 8:57 am

I never understood why ET is taking just 4 787-9 aircraft.

Polot · Tue Jun 20, 2017 10:56 am

Well they do have now 24? similar sized A359s on order. They might be playing it safe and seeing how will the 789 performs for their regional needs before going all out and committing to more 789s.

pabloeing · Tue Jun 20, 2017 11:00 am

¿When is the delivery flight of UX B788 EC -MPE?

Sooner787 · Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:20 pm

pabloeing wrote:
¿When is the delivery flight of UX B788 EC -MPE?

Matt Cawby's PAE website showed a pic of that bird leaving Everett yesterday
on her delivery flight ( 20 Jun) Should be home by now

KarelXWB · Fri Jun 23, 2017 5:35 pm

The first El Al 787 is about to roll out from final assembly.

4X-EDA El Al Israel Airlines Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner - C/N 63548 / LN 590 by Woodys Aeroimages, on Flickr

KarelXWB · Sat Jun 24, 2017 7:46 am

And we have FAL roll out:

4X-EDA El Al Israel Airlines Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner - C/N 63548 / LN 590 by Woodys Aeroimages, on Flickr

KarelXWB · Mon Jun 26, 2017 11:48 am

817Dreamliiner wrote:
Third Boeing 787-10 N565ZC (second RR powered) currently on its first flight as BOE002 from CHS https://fr24.com/BOE002/daa9a97

=>

https://twitter.com/ryanan_j79/status/8 ... 7902283776

pdxswa · Thu Jun 29, 2017 3:11 pm

Fresh out of paint the latest for Norwegian.

berari · Fri Jun 30, 2017 4:19 am

Ethiopian's last terrible teen is on its delivery flight

https://www.flightradar24.com/ETH9201/de97de8

KarelXWB · Fri Jun 30, 2017 8:43 am

berari wrote:
Ethiopian's last terrible teen is on its delivery flight

https://www.flightradar24.com/ETH9201/de97de8

There it goes

ET-ATG Ethiopian Airlines Boeing 787-8 C/N 38464 / LN 10 by Woodys Aeroimages, on Flickr

UAEflyer · Fri Jun 30, 2017 8:57 pm

Where are HZ-MF7 & HZ-MF8 Dreamliners ?
It have been a while since they were in the air ?

ER757 · Fri Jun 30, 2017 9:09 pm

pdxswa wrote:
Fresh out of paint the latest for Norwegian.

Just never will warm up the their livery - the famous faces on the tails are cool, but the rest looks like they started painting the fuselage from the front and ran out of red paint.

Sooner787 · Fri Jun 30, 2017 9:40 pm

berari wrote:
Ethiopian's last terrible teen is on its delivery flight

https://www.flightradar24.com/ETH9201/de97de8

I hope Boeing bought lunch for all the workers who slaved away
bringing the "Terrible Teens" to life

Sooner787 · Fri Jun 30, 2017 9:42 pm

Question about the LY 789.

The missile defense and other security items that LY have,
does that get instaled at Everett, or will they add that once
the jet arrives in Israel?

boefan · Sat Jul 01, 2017 12:22 am

UAEflyer wrote:
Where are HZ-MF7 & HZ-MF8 Dreamliners ?
It have been a while since they were in the air ?

It is unknown when they will be delivered as plans have changed and Ministry is shuffling their assets again .

The dreamliners seem unharmed for now but with recent changes to the their 777 BBJ they might end up white tails as well

BiggerJetsPlz · Mon Jul 03, 2017 9:38 pm

KarelXWB wrote:
berari wrote:
Ethiopian's last terrible teen is on its delivery flight

https://www.flightradar24.com/ETH9201/de97de8

There it goes

ET-ATG Ethiopian Airlines Boeing 787-8 C/N 38464 / LN 10 by Woodys Aeroimages, on Flickr

This plane rolled out for the first time in late November 2009. 7.75 years from rollout to delivery. And her first revenue flight was an 11 hour haul to Hong Kong http://flightaware.com/live/flight/ETATG. Welcome to the big leagues line 10.

Now all that's left to fly is line 19.

Still wondering what's going on with lines 11 and 17 though. 11 delivered 2 years ago and hasn't been heard from since...

AeroTyke · Mon Jul 03, 2017 10:37 pm

Ln 11 is believed to be being fitted out at Grant County for Korean Govt to replace B744 10001.

Ln 19 status unclear. Thought to owned by Crystal now and awaiting a buyer for it. Ferry out of PAE under BOE number believed to be because Crystal don't have their own crews for the type.

Internal data for both frames doesn't show anything useful unfortunately.

NYC777 · Tue Jul 04, 2017 4:03 am

I've updated my 787 spreadsheets:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing

I also have a new 787 blog post:

https://nyc787.blogspot.com/2017/07/787 ... dated.html

ikolkyo · Tue Jul 04, 2017 4:09 am

I think the 788 will be a solid aircraft for Biman, good capacity size and range for them.

pabloeing · Tue Jul 04, 2017 7:41 am

NYC777 wrote:
I've updated my 787 spreadsheets:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing

I also have a new 787 blog post:

https://nyc787.blogspot.com/2017/07/787 ... dated.html

Amazing work as ever ¡¡¡¡

uta999 · Tue Jul 04, 2017 8:06 am

Parts start to arrive this week for the 25th 787 for BA.

LN609, a 788 to be G-ZBJI

Then it will be a long wait for LN708 to be G-ZBJJ

KarelXWB · Tue Jul 04, 2017 9:18 am

Norwegian's next 787-9 features Freddie Mercury:

G- Norwegian Long Haul Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner - C/N 38784 / LN 593 Freddie Mercury by Woodys Aeroimages, on Flickr

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