787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 43

qf789 · Fri Oct 13, 2017 1:29 pm

ikolkyo wrote:
First 787-10 in Singapore Airlines livery has rolled out of paint, 9V-SCB

https://twitter.com/BoeingAirplanes/sta ... 8236786690

Thanks for sharing, SQ livery looks great on the 787

qf789 · Fri Oct 13, 2017 11:33 pm

Ethiopian 789 ET-AUO has had its B1 flight

https://twitter.com/JenSchuld/status/918916623817256960

https://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/918954966148030464

qf789 · Sat Oct 14, 2017 12:41 am

Parts for LN643 (Etihad 789 A6-BLS) have arrived at PAE

https://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/918991418558791680

First Neos 789 has entered final assembly

seabosdca · Sat Oct 14, 2017 5:32 am

audidudi wrote:
I find it somewhat interesting that the 787-10 retains the double-bogey main landing-gear, while the A350-10 has a triple-bogey main landing-gear. I wonder how much more each version of the-10s weigh compared with the -9s. Of course Boeing has the 788 also which is lighter still!

787-10 and 787-9 have identical maximum weights. The 787-10 is truly a straight stretch of the 787-9, trading higher capacity for lower range. Both planes have lighter maximum weights than the A350-900, let alone the -1000.

A350-1000 is a significantly heavier plane than A350-900, with larger wings, more powerful engines, and much higher weights. It's intended to have similar range to the A350-900 despite the extra capacity.

qf789 · Sun Oct 15, 2017 2:31 am

Thai Airways 789 HS-TWB undergoes a taxi test

https://twitter.com/JenSchuld/status/919272718855319552

mafaky · Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:02 am

Is there a standard built-in fuel dumping system (fuel jettison system) in the 788, 789 or 781? Or, is it optional? Or is it non-existent as it Airbus 333s?

qf789 · Sun Oct 15, 2017 4:13 pm

Thai Airways 789 HS-TWB on its B1 flight

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE2 ... /KPAE/KMWH

7BOEING7 · Sun Oct 15, 2017 4:17 pm

mafaky wrote:
Is there a standard built-in fuel dumping system (fuel jettison system) in the 788, 789 or 781? Or, is it optional? Or is it non-existent as it Airbus 333s?

Standard.

KarelXWB · Sun Oct 15, 2017 8:04 pm

Second QF 787-9 starts final assembly in Everett.

https://twitter.com/jonostrower/status/ ... 6606040065

Sooner787 · Mon Oct 16, 2017 1:12 am

ikolkyo wrote:
First 787-10 in Singapore Airlines livery has rolled out of paint, 9V-SCB

https://twitter.com/BoeingAirplanes/sta ... 8236786690

OH boy.....gotta get a 1:200 model of this beauty when they come out

qf789 · Mon Oct 16, 2017 3:56 pm

VH-ZNA on the move

https://twitter.com/JenSchuld/status/919951912530714627

qf789 · Tue Oct 17, 2017 1:41 am

Qantas 789 VH-ZNA delivery ceremony

https://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/920099529948520448

qf789 · Tue Oct 17, 2017 9:53 pm

Qantas 789 VH-ZNA has been delivered

https://twitter.com/JenSchuld/status/920403493726273536

https://www.flightradar24.com/QFA7879/f3d7c1f

ikolkyo · Fri Oct 20, 2017 12:49 am

Etihad's 18th 787-9, A6-BLR has been delivered

https://www.flightradar24.com/ETD9011/f433986

https://twitter.com/JenSchuld/status/921102384541175810

KarelXWB · Sat Oct 21, 2017 11:49 am

First Neos 787 in final assembly:

DSC_1288 by Jon Ostrower, on Flickr

CX747 · Sat Oct 21, 2017 11:38 pm

qf789 wrote:
Qantas 789 VH-ZNA delivery ceremony

https://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/920099529948520448

Very nice addition to the front of the aircraft.

qf789 · Mon Oct 23, 2017 1:10 pm

Avianca 788 N795AV has undergone first flight

https://twitter.com/JenSchuld/status/922197741521879040

qf789 · Mon Oct 23, 2017 1:19 pm

Air Canada 789 C-FSBV was delivered 20 October

https://twitter.com/AeroimagesChris/sta ... 4252332032

Hainan 789 B-1499 was delivered 19 October

https://twitter.com/AeroimagesChris/sta ... 2245742592

hayzel777 · Tue Oct 24, 2017 2:56 am

Anyone know why the 787-10 hasn't flown since Oct 18?

qf789 · Wed Oct 25, 2017 5:59 am

Aeromexico 789 XA-ADG has rolled out of final assembly

https://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/923037506035105792

SuperTwin · Wed Oct 25, 2017 11:46 pm

qf789 wrote:
Air Canada 789 C-FSBV was delivered 20 October

https://twitter.com/AeroimagesChris/sta ... 4252332032

Hainan 789 B-1499 was delivered 19 October

https://twitter.com/AeroimagesChris/sta ... 2245742592

AC released their Q3'17 results and I was hoping to hear something about what would come of their 787 options and purchase rights, but still nothing!

6.5. Capital expenditures and related financing arrangements Boeing 787 aircraft

Air Canada has outstanding purchase commitments with The Boeing Company (“Boeing”) for eight Boeing 787 aircraft (one of which remains to be delivered in 2017, five in 2018 and two in 2019). Air Canada also has purchase options for 13 Boeing 787 aircraft (entitling Air Canada to purchase aircraft based on previously determined pricing and delivery positions), and purchase rights for 10 Boeing 787 aircraft (entitling Air Canada to purchase aircraft based on Boeing’s then current pricing).
*Link to Q3'17 MD&A

Does anyone know when the expiration dates are on these? Surely they have a deadline of some sort. I would imagine Boeing would be keen to have these expire since it is said that the agreed to pricing is very very competitive given the delay experienced with the EIS.

I remember reading/hearing anecdotally that the 10-year agreement with the pilots had a clause stating that there would be 100x widebody aircraft in the fleet by 2020. According to present fleet plans that are publicly available, these would come up short if the already long-in-the-tooth mainline 767s were to be retired. Personally, I do think they will be put out to pasture soon since they are not getting upgrades of any kind (WiFi, Seats, Interiors, etc..).

So...

25x 777s
37x 787s
8x a330s
25x 767s Rouge
---
95 + [5x 767s Mainline (???)]

= 5 short

Do they take the options, but not the rights? Some but not all?
787-9s only, or do they add the 787-10s?

SuperTwin · Wed Oct 25, 2017 11:47 pm

qf789 wrote:
Avianca 788 N795AV has undergone first flight

https://twitter.com/JenSchuld/status/922197741521879040

That is slick.

Leslieville · Thu Oct 26, 2017 2:19 am

^ Agreed. The Avianca livery really suits the Dreamliner.

Darklord1 · Thu Oct 26, 2017 2:31 am

Anyone know what day Jet Airways is supposed to get there 787s?

hayzel777 · Thu Oct 26, 2017 3:35 am

Darklord1 wrote:
Anyone know what day Jet Airways is supposed to get there 787s?

Not this year and not next year either!

Darklord1 · Thu Oct 26, 2017 3:36 am

Okay thank you! Because Wikipedia says it's November 2018.

whywhyzee · Thu Oct 26, 2017 3:47 am

SuperTwin wrote:
qf789 wrote:
Air Canada 789 C-FSBV was delivered 20 October

https://twitter.com/AeroimagesChris/sta ... 4252332032

Hainan 789 B-1499 was delivered 19 October

https://twitter.com/AeroimagesChris/sta ... 2245742592

AC released their Q3'17 results and I was hoping to hear something about what would come of their 787 options and purchase rights, but still nothing!

6.5. Capital expenditures and related financing arrangements Boeing 787 aircraft

Air Canada has outstanding purchase commitments with The Boeing Company (“Boeing”) for eight Boeing 787 aircraft (one of which remains to be delivered in 2017, five in 2018 and two in 2019). Air Canada also has purchase options for 13 Boeing 787 aircraft (entitling Air Canada to purchase aircraft based on previously determined pricing and delivery positions), and purchase rights for 10 Boeing 787 aircraft (entitling Air Canada to purchase aircraft based on Boeing’s then current pricing).
*Link to Q3'17 MD&A

Does anyone know when the expiration dates are on these? Surely they have a deadline of some sort. I would imagine Boeing would be keen to have these expire since it is said that the agreed to pricing is very very competitive given the delay experienced with the EIS.

I remember reading/hearing anecdotally that the 10-year agreement with the pilots had a clause stating that there would be 100x widebody aircraft in the fleet by 2020. According to present fleet plans that are publicly available, these would come up short if the already long-in-the-tooth mainline 767s were to be retired. Personally, I do think they will be put out to pasture soon since they are not getting upgrades of any kind (WiFi, Seats, Interiors, etc..).

So...

25x 777s
37x 787s
8x a330s
25x 767s Rouge
---
95 + [5x 767s Mainline (???)]

= 5 short

Do they take the options, but not the rights? Some but not all?
787-9s only, or do they add the 787-10s?

They still have time, from what I have been told by people at AC, they don’t start expiring for a while, almost 2 years from now (I don’t have a specific date sorry). They have 8 A333’s and 5 767’s whose replacements are unaccounted for at this time, corresponding exactly to the number of options (coincidence maybe

I’ll let you be the judge of that). The intention is to hold onto these airplanes as long as they can, as they are still making money, and most importantly, are payed off. Their problem as of late has come with the rapid expansion, their margins are down because of the capital expenditures to acquire these new 787’s. Their goal is to increase yields and load factors using equipment they have at this point in order to bring up EBDITAR and increase operating profits. Give it a couple of years, and the options likely will come. Ben Smith said there is no plans to retire beyond what has been announced, and that they are keeping the aircraft they have into the 202’s (767’s and A330’s) There is also talk of acquiring 5 additional A333’s for interim lift if need be, it has been mentioned on this site, and I’ve heard it rumbling around elsewhere.

Going foreward, I think it is highly likely that they are going to exercise the options for 787-10’s, especially for use from YYZ where frequency isn’t an option during large parts of the day due to congestion. They will also likely be looking into a new wide body for Rouge, and a new MoM aircraft to replace the 767/A321 combo that flies extensively on key Transcons. They have a need for probably an additional 40-50 widebodies orders not including eventual 777 replacements. That gives them leverage to find a product that works best, who knows, could even be an Airbus.

Sorry to distract from the thread topic!

Someone83 · Fri Oct 27, 2017 12:30 pm

2 deliveries yesterday

Boeing 787 -9 38778 621 ET-AUO Ethiopian Airlines delivery 26oct17 PAE-ADD “Beijing”
Boeing 787 -9 63313 619 G-CKMU Norwegian Air UK delivery 26oct17 CHS-OSL “Babe Ruth”

BOEING777EK · Fri Oct 27, 2017 12:37 pm

Does anyone have any idea of what's causing the delay of C-CKNY to be delivered?

smittythepirate · Fri Oct 27, 2017 1:05 pm

BOEING777EK wrote:
Does anyone have any idea of what's causing the delay of C-CKNY to be delivered?

Looks like the flight is being used for testing/engineering

RB211trent · Sat Oct 28, 2017 9:08 pm

G-CKNY is the first 1000-TEN

audidudi · Sat Oct 28, 2017 10:50 pm

RB211trent wrote:
G-CKNY is the first 1000-TEN

What is a 1000-TEN? This bird is a 789, not a 787-10, and AFAIK, there is nothing different/special about its RR Trent 1000 engines. So what am I missing here? And thank you for correcting the reg!

Revelation · Sat Oct 28, 2017 11:03 pm

audidudi wrote:
RB211trent wrote:
G-CKNY is the first 1000-TEN

What is a 1000-TEN? This bird is a 789, not a 787-10, and AFAIK, there is nothing different/special about its RR Trent 1000 engines. So what am I missing here? And thank you for correcting the reg!

All you want to know is in:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolls-Royce_Trent_1000

T-1000 TEN is not specific to 787-10.

NYC777 · Mon Oct 30, 2017 11:33 pm

I've updated my 787 spreadsheets with the latest firing order up to LN 790:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing

chiki · Tue Oct 31, 2017 5:31 am

NYC777 wrote:
I've updated my 787 spreadsheets with the latest firing order up to LN 790:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing

Thank you wondeful work as always.
Any idea why the 787-10 flight tests seem to have taken a break this month

qf789 · Tue Oct 31, 2017 11:40 am

Thai Airways 789 HS-TWB to be moved to Everett Delivery Center

https://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/925216418856964096

TropicalSky · Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:56 pm

Is there any news regarding how the the 787-10 testing is coming along? It's been quite....

KarelXWB · Wed Nov 01, 2017 12:35 pm

Neos first 787 is getting its engines installed outside the factory:

https://twitter.com/flight_report/statu ... 4949859331

KarelXWB · Wed Nov 01, 2017 2:25 pm

The 2nd Qantas 787-9 nears completion:

https://twitter.com/flight_report/statu ... 1751391234

qf789 · Wed Nov 01, 2017 2:55 pm

Another photo of the first Neos 789

https://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/925565448355160064

Croden · Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:00 pm

The red on the base of the Neos tail hints at a possible new/adjusted livery

Croden · Sat Nov 04, 2017 3:38 am

A quick search showed this tweet with a few photos of the new livery (tweaked from the current one) https://mobile.twitter.com/neos_air/sta ... 94/photo/4

ikolkyo · Sat Nov 04, 2017 11:27 pm

Little 787-10 update here

The 1st 787-10 (RR powered), N528ZC returned to BFI after doing some flight testing in VCV for a few days.
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n528zc

The 2nd 787-10, N548ZC which is also the GE testbed has not flown since September 8th, really scratching my head as to what the hold up is with this aircraft and how far behind the GE engine will be when it comes to certification.

The third 787-10. N565ZC (2nd RR testbed), spent a week on the ground in VCV and flew back to CHS yesterday
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/airc ... zc#f6ba1fd

UAEflyer · Sun Nov 05, 2017 6:53 am

Any possibility that the 787-10 will be in display in Dubai Airshow?

LTH · Sun Nov 05, 2017 1:25 pm

Croden wrote:
A quick search showed this tweet with a few photos of the new livery (tweaked from the current one) https://mobile.twitter.com/neos_air/sta ... 94/photo/4

Funny, that even their tweaked livery will still show that they've been part of TUI Group some time ago. I thought they might change it all over or simply alter their colors a bit.

LTH

smittythepirate · Mon Nov 06, 2017 2:23 pm

ikolkyo wrote:
Little 787-10 update here

The third 787-10. N565ZC (2nd RR testbed), spent a week on the ground in VCV and flew back to CHS yesterday
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/airc ... zc#f6ba1fd

It went for paint in VCV, the tail now shows the regular 10 paint scheme.

ikolkyo · Mon Nov 06, 2017 2:59 pm

smittythepirate wrote:
ikolkyo wrote:
Little 787-10 update here

The third 787-10. N565ZC (2nd RR testbed), spent a week on the ground in VCV and flew back to CHS yesterday
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/airc ... zc#f6ba1fd

It went for paint in VCV, the tail now shows the regular 10 paint scheme.

Must be the aircraft that is heading to Dubai next week possibly?

boefan · Mon Nov 06, 2017 3:20 pm

ikolkyo wrote:
smittythepirate wrote:
ikolkyo wrote:
Little 787-10 update here

The third 787-10. N565ZC (2nd RR testbed), spent a week on the ground in VCV and flew back to CHS yesterday
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/airc ... zc#f6ba1fd

It went for paint in VCV, the tail now shows the regular 10 paint scheme.

Must be the aircraft that is heading to Dubai next week possibly?

That is the plan . MAX 9 and Flydubai MAX 8 should be there also

boefan · Thu Nov 09, 2017 8:05 am

General Electric Co. signed three commercial deals worth $3.5 billion as part of Trump’s visit, including supply of engines to Juneyao Airlines Co. and ICBC Financial Leasing Co.

So it seems Juneyao Airlines will use GE engines for their 787 order i guess

hkcanadaexpat · Fri Nov 10, 2017 5:33 am

GECAS converted 6 of its 10 78J to 789 in the latest Boeing monthly report.
Also, as predicted, Singapore's additional 19 78J were moved from Unidentified to Singapore.

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