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787 Production/Delivery Thread - Part 42 (by American 767 Apr 23 2015 in Civil Aviation)

For those of you who have been on the Dreamliner, we are happy you got to experience Boeing's newest jetliner.

And for those of you who will, we wish you a wonderful flight.

Ben Soriano

Air Canada first 787-9 LN323 out in the open:

http://twitter.com/woody2190/status/606135959898365953

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 1):

Rolled out on June 1.

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 1):

Delivery last week of July. Can't wait to see this guy at YYZ.

Quoting Miami (Reply 2): Rolled out on June 1.

Nope rolled out on June 2.

Current state of LN15:


Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner - C/N 34491 / LN 15 by Woodys Aeroimages, on Flickr

Aviator.aero reporting Vietnam Airlines will lease 8 x 78J from Air Lease (US)

http://www.aviator.aero/search?categ..._id=&region_id=&q=Vietnam+Airlines

trying to find the full story

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 4):

Not according to someone at PAE.

Quoting Miami (Reply 7): Not according to someone at PAE.

check again. Uresh is correct. Matt got the date wrong on his blog.
It came out on the evening of June 2nd with first pics flying the web on June 3rd in the morning.
A

Boeing confirmed that the Vietnam Airlines 787-9 will be part of the flying display at the Paris Airshow.

Quoting Miami (Reply 7):

323 did roll out on June 2nd at 9:10PM when it was scheduled to leave 40-26.

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 87): i presume UAL intends on converting some 787-10s to 787-9s as you have LN 443 and LN 445 going to them despite UAL having no more 789s on order?!?

Well, it actually happened... they converted two -10s to -9s in the latest update.

As always, thank you to All Things 787 (NYC777) http://nyc787.blogspot.com/ and others for the information that is summarized here.

DELIVERED TO DATE: 282 Aircraft to 32 Airlines & 6 VIPs – 255 787-8 & 27 787-9

DELIVERIES PRIOR TO MAY: 269
787-8: NH-32; QR-21; JL-20; AI-20; UA–12; ET-12; CZ-10; LA-10; HU-10; BA-8; JQ-8; AC-8; DY-8; BY-7; AM-7; KQ-7; LO-6; VIP-5; RJ-5; TG-5; BI-4; AV-4; MF-4; AA-4; OR-3; J2-2; AT-2; TB-1; KE-1
787-9: UA-5; VS-4; NZ-3; NH-3; TZ-3; EY-2; LA-2; VIP-1

MAY DELIVERIES FINAL: 13
L/N 268 – N803AL – 5/5/2015 – AA #5 – 787-8
L/N 291 - G-TUIH – 5/7/2015 – BY #8 – 787-8
L/N 296 – G-VYUM – 5/14/2015 - VS #5 – 787-9
L/N 255 – N802AN – 5/14/2015 – AA #6 – 787-8
L/N 292 - A7-BCV – 5/21/2015 - QR #22 – 787-8
L/N 294 – N784AV – 5/21/2015 - AV #5 – 787-8
L/N 301 – JA842J – 5/21/2015 – JL #21 - 787-8
L/N 299 - JA838A – 5/20/2015 - NH #36 – 787-8
L/N 298 - ET-ASI – 5/22/2015 - ET #13 – 787-8 – (AerCap)
L/N 297 – N38955 – 5/26/2015 - UA #18 – 787-9
L/N 300 - G-TUII – 5/28/2015 – BY #9 – 787-8
L/N 308 – 9V-OJD – 5/28/2015 – TZ #4 – 787-9
L/N 295 - JA837A – 5/31/2015 - NH #37 – 787-9

ON THE FLIGHTLINE - AIRCRAFT THAT HAVE COMPLETED MAJOR ASSEMBLY & CHANGE INCORPORATION*
L/N 278 – VH-VKJ – ZA223 - JQ #9 – 787-8
L/N 302 – A6-BLD – ZB080 – EY #3 – 787-9
L/N 139 – JA861J – ZB021 – JL #22 – 787-9
L/N 303 – VN-A861 – ZB536 – VN #1 – 787-9
L/N 304 – B-2762 – ZA684 – MF #5 - 787-8 (Charleston)
L/N 307 – 5Y-KZH – ZA662 - KQ #8 – 787-8 (Charleston)
L/N 286 – A6-BLC – ZB079 – EY #4 – 787-9 Awaiting first flight
L/N 306 – N806AA – ZA823 – AA #7 – 787-8 Awaiting first flight
L/N 305 – A6-BLE – ZB081 – EY #5 – 787-9 Awaiting first flight
L/N 311 - VT-ANV – ZA250 - AI #21 – 787-8 Awaiting first flight
L/N 309 - CC-BGC – ZB226 - LA #13 – 787-9 – (AerCap) Awaiting first flight
L/N 313 – G-VWHO – ZB032 - VS #6 – 787-9 Awaiting first flight
L/N 310 - JA839A – ZB409 - NH #38 – 787-9 (Charleston) Awaiting first flight
L/N 312 – JA841J – ZA201 – JL #23 - 787-8 Awaiting first flight
L/N 316 – 9V-OJE – ZB131 – TZ #5 – 787-9 Awaiting first flight
L/N 133 – ZK-NZD – ZB002 - NZ #4 – 787-9 Awaiting first flight post change incorporation
L/N 314 – 9V-OFA – ZA853 – TZ #6 – 787-8 (Charleston) Awaiting first flight
L/N 315 – HB-JJJ – ZA839 – PV #1 – 787-8 Awaiting first flight
L/N 318 – VN-A862 – ZB537 – VN #2 – 787-9 Awaiting first flight
L/N 321 – VH-VKK – ZA224 - JQ #10 – 787-8 Awaiting first flight
L/N 317 – 5Y-KZJ – ZA663 - KQ #9 – 787-8 (Charleston) Awaiting first flight
L/N 323 – C-FNOE – ZB558 – AC #9 – 787-9 Awaiting first flight

*Not including the delivered aircraft and test aircraft (ZA001-005 & ZB001-002)

Since A-Net hasn’t updated their IATA airline codes in years, please see the following translations:
BY - Thomson Airways (part of TUI Airlines)
DY - Norwegian Air Shuttle
OR – Arke (part of TUI Airlines)
TB – Jetairfly (part of TUI Airlines)
TZ – Scoot

[Edited 2015-06-04 13:07:54]

Quoting United787 (Reply 12): As always, thank you to All Things 787 (NYC777) http://nyc787.blogspot.com/ and others for the information that is summarized here.

First of all, thank you both for your excellent work! You spend a lot of time on this, and I'm sure it's not just me and that a lot of folks all around the world are enjoying the data and the monthly summaries on a regular basis.   

Quoting United787 (Reply 12): ON THE FLIGHTLINE - AIRCRAFT THAT HAVE COMPLETED MAJOR ASSEMBLY & CHANGE INCORPORATION*

I count 10x 787-8 and 12x 787-9 in that list. Are we rapidly approaching the point that the -9 will overtake the -8 in terms of deliveries - and never look back again  

Rgds,
PW100

Quoting PW100 (Reply 13): I count 10x 787-8 and 12x 787-9 in that list. Are we rapidly approaching the point that the -9 will overtake the -8 in terms of deliveries - and never look back again

Indeed! If I am not mistaken June will be the first month where more 789s will be delivered than 788s but this is partially due to three of EY's 789s being delayed for seats which NYC777 thinks will deliver this month.

I believe July and August will be roughly 50/50 and by September there will be no looking back as 789s will take the delivery lead for years to come.

There is a period in December where out of 17 straight 787s that enter final assembly 16 of them will be 789s. I suspect 2016 will be something like 80/20 in favor of 789s in terms of deliveries.

In May alone we had the following 789 conversions:

- Air Canada converted seven 788 to 789
- LAN converted eight 788 to 789
- TUI converted two 788 to 789, +1 new order 789

plus the two from UA going from 781s to 789s - that's a first (but certainly appears to be a result of the 77W conversion and the need for early 789 deliveries.

The writing is on the wall.

tortugamon

Quoting United787 (Reply 12): As always, thank you to All Things 787 (NYC777) http://nyc787.blogspot.com/ and others for the information that is summarized here.

It is an incredible database that I check every day. I also would like to thank NYC777 for doing this for all of us, I know it can't be an easy task.

Any word on when we will see the inside of the VN 787?

Quoting PW100 (Reply 13): First of all, thank you both for your excellent work! You spend a lot of time on this, and I'm sure it's not just me and that a lot of folks all around the world are enjoying the data and the monthly summaries on a regular basis.

Don't thank me, thank NYC777, I just enjoy doing a quick summary every week...

Quoting United787 (Reply 12): L/N 278 – VH-VKJ – ZA223 - JQ #9 – 787-8

Still in (temporary?) storage:


VH-VKJ Jetstar Airways Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner - C/N 36236 / LN 278 by Woodys Aeroimages, on Flickr

Scoot's first 787-8 will be making its first flight today:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...3/history/20150605/1530Z/KCHS/KCHS

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 17): Still in (temporary?) storage

Unless there has been a change, JQ want delivery after 1 July, beginning of new financial year.

Gemuser

Quoting PW100 (Reply 13): I count 10x 787-8 and 12x 787-9 in that list. Are we rapidly approaching the point that the -9 will overtake the -8 in terms of deliveries - and never look back again

I find it particularly interesting that in about three and a half years, the more 787s have been delivered than L1011s (about 244), MD11s (200) and A310s (255) and will overtake the A340 (377) and DC10 (386) within the year.

Quoting jah718 (Reply 15): It is an incredible database that I check every day. I also would like to thank NYC777 for doing this for all of us, I know it can't be an easy task.

Yes, can I add my thanks; it's a painstaking job, but a hugely valued one. Thanks for all you do!

speaking of the 789 conversions, LOT's last two on order will be 789s not 788s I heard for 2017-2018~. Please tell me I'm not the only one that's heard this.
I guess we can call this a rumor?

Privat Air 787-8 at EMC

HB-JJJ Privatair Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner - C/N 37306 / LN 315 by Woodys Aeroimages, on Flickr

Quoting ek241yyz (Reply 21): speaking of the 789 conversions, LOT's last two on order will be 789s not 788s I heard for 2017-2018~. Please tell me I'm not the only one that's heard this. I guess we can call this a rumor?

First time I'm hearing about this....

Thank yo all for the kind words!!

The firing order is updated. First 787-10 will be Trent-1000 powered, the second is GE.

[Edited 2015-06-06 07:39:33]

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 23): The firing order is updated. First 787-10 will be Trent-1000 powered, the second is GE.

Thanks for the work you've done. Without your spreadsheets, a lot of us here would be pretty clueless.

Kinda curious about the ones listed to go to a customer with the code '732' though.

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 24): Kinda curious about the ones listed to go to a customer with the code '732' though.

Same here.

At the rate of one a month.
L/N 446, ZB782, c/n 62712, GE, Charleston (delivery Jun / Jul 2016)
L/N 453, ZB783, c/n 62713, GE, Charleston (delivery Jul 2016)
L/N 465, ZB784, c/n 62714, GE?, Everett (delivery Aug / Sep 2016)

And these could be from the same order.
L/N 477, ZB?, c/n?, GE?, Everett
L/N 487, ZB?, c/n?, GE?, Charleston
L/N 501, ZB?, c/n?, GE?, Charleston

Would fit with QF getting some GE 789's in FY 2017 (01 Jul 2016 to 30 Jun 2017)

PA515

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 24): Kinda curious about the ones listed to go to a customer with the code '732' though.

Boeing is keeping that customer a secret so that's a code so the customer remains unidentified.

Quoting PA515 (Reply 25): Same here. At the rate of one a month. L/N 446, ZB782, c/n 62712, GE, Charleston (delivery Jun / Jul 2016) L/N 453, ZB783, c/n 62713, GE, Charleston (delivery Jul 2016) L/N 465, ZB784, c/n 62714, GE?, Everett (delivery Aug / Sep 2016) And these could be from the same order. L/N 477, ZB?, c/n?, GE?, Everett L/N 487, ZB?, c/n?, GE?, Charleston L/N 501, ZB?, c/n?, GE?, Charleston Would fit with QF getting some GE 789's in FY 2017 (01 Jul 2016 to 30 Jun 2017)

It's really hard to tell. I wouldn't try to ascribe a pattern to the firing order especially for production that is a couple years out. As far as QF, there was report that if they exercise the purchase rights it might lower their credit rating to below junk status so we have to see.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 26): Boeing is keeping that customer a secret so that's a code so the customer remains unidentified.

I'll venture out and put my money on Hainan Airlines with the slots coming from UAL.
With the entire deal to be confirmed in Paris next week.
A

I don't know, they have already had Hainan planes before. I think it will be somebody else still.

For instance they have a plane for His Majesty The Sultan's Flight but the customer number I believe is 619

Quoting United787 (Reply 12): L/N 295 - JA837A – 5/31/2015 - NH #37 – 787-9

They squeaked this one in at the last minute lol

Is she an international config or domestic?

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 30):

Here's a tip for you. For the ANA 787-9 family:
If it's a ZB1**-ZB2**, it's a domestic - 395 seats
If it's a ZB4**, it's a long haul - 215 seats
If it's a ZB6**-ZB7**, it's a mid range - 246 seats

Quoting United787 (Reply 12): L/N 133 – ZK-NZD – ZB002 - NZ #4 – 787-9 Awaiting first flight post change incorporation

Looks like it has been taxiing! Note that the New Zealand registration is clearly visible.

Boeing 787-9 ZK-NZD by Royal King, on Flickr

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 28): I'll venture out and put my money on Hainan Airlines with the slots coming from UAL. With the entire deal to be confirmed in Paris next week. A

I agree with you 100% on this.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 33): I agree with you 100% on this.

Would you expect L/N 443 and L/N 445 to be part of the deal?

PA515

Quoting PA515 (Reply 34): Would you expect L/N 443 and L/N 445 to be part of the deal?

No those slots are allocated to UA after the 787/777-300ER swap. Those production slots are all set.

A post by Woodys Aeroimages on another site is reporting movement at the EMC. ZB001 (ANZ 787-9, LN 126, first test 787-9) has been moved outside the EMC, with engines and substantially complete. ZD004 (LN 12) then moved inside the EMC. I find the latter surprising as the clock is rapidly ticking on LN 15's (ZD001) expected delivery date at the end of 2015, and I thought they would make LN 15 first priority.

The theme for this morning at PAE is "787-9 Test Frames." ZB021 (JAL 787-9, LN 139) is flying a C-2 flight. ZB002 (ANZ 787-9, LN 133) is flying its first flight post-change incorporation. As noted above ZB001 emerged from the EMC.

Tim Clark on the 787-10:

http://leehamnews.com/2015/06/08/emi...350787-bake-off-remains-wide-open/

Quote: “If anything, the 10 is not coming up with the thrust requirements that we need. We’re working with Boeing on that, whereas the A350-900 has got bags of thrust.

Just noticed this:

Quote: 787-10 right now short on thrust Emirates Airline COO Tim Clark says. A350-900 has "bags of thrust."

http://twitter.com/LeehamNews/status/608011054145236992

I'm sure RR can create a high thrust option just for them...  

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 38): Quote: “If anything, the 10 is not coming up with the thrust requirements that we need. We’re working with Boeing on that, whereas the A350-900 has got bags of thrust.

Really? I'm surprised! I thought their intended use of the 10 was well below the limit of its weight and endurance. I'll speculate that it's to do with hot and high performance, where the A350 excels, but it seems that the order is really tight.

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 39): I'm sure RR can create a high thrust option just for them...

I'm sure they would, but then there isn't that much motivation for RR to do it in the sense that they know they have the order in the bag. I'm sure they can budge for such a valuable customer though. I wonder how much thrust they want?

Seriously how much thrust do they need? GE has is coming up with 80k and I think RR is at 78k.

tortugamon

Quoting MrHMSH (Reply 40): Really? I'm surprised! I thought their intended use of the 10 was well below the limit of its weight and endurance. I'll speculate that it's to do with hot and high performance, where the A350 excels, but it seems that the order is really tight.

The 787-10 should be no slouch in hot/high performance either. Honestly, Tim's comments strike me more as an attempt to keep Boeing honest on pricing than anything else. Based on the numbers, the 787-10 seems clearly like a better fit for these missions, provided reasonable pricing by both OEMs.

I wonder if RR can do with the Trent 1000-TEN what GE did with the GE90-115b and offer a "thrust bump" option that allows a higher TOGA thrust rating for high-temperature departures.

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 41): Seriously how much thrust do they need? GE has is coming up with 80k and I think RR is at 78k.

Maybe TC wants an afterburner option   

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 28): I'll venture out and put my money on Hainan Airlines with the slots coming from UAL.With the entire deal to be confirmed in Paris next week.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 33): I agree with you 100% on this.

I'm gonna go a different track and say: SV via the Ministry of Finance. . .

Regards,

Hamlet69

Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 45): I'm gonna go a different track and say: SV via the Ministry of Finance. . .

They already have 4 in the firing order. Why the secrecy on others?

tortugamon

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 46): They already have 4 in the firing order. Why the secrecy on others?

There are two separate orders. The one publically announced that comes directly from SV for x8 -9's. The other was ordered well before that, and has been 'UFO' since it was signed. The actual purchaser is the Saudi Ministry of Finance, with the intent to lease them to SV.


Regards,

Hamlet69

Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 47): There are two separate orders. The one publically announced that comes directly from SV for x8 -9's. The other was ordered well before that, and has been 'UFO' since it was signed. The actual purchaser is the Saudi Ministry of Finance, with the intent to lease them to SV. Regards, Hamlet69

How many did the Ministry of Finance sign for? I bet it's 13. That order was signed quite some time ago.

Does anyone have any information on VT-AND and why she's been grounded since 2nd January 2015? Awfully long time for maintenance, are AI having issues we are unaware off or are they just very poor at timely turn around (aka VT-ANI)