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RE: Irish 12/15: High On Jet A1

Tue Jul 14, 2015 12:49 pm

Quoting EI320 (Reply 148):
In fairness; I don't think any of those questions are particularly intrusive, regardless of the issuing country of your passport. They are all very common questions.

I'd have to agree. If you took the ability to ask those kinds of questions from them their function would be put in question. It is just part of their job and we have to have a certain level of expectation of that. Getting the food question incorrect didn't help the atmosphere. Most times they just appear bored to me, but then again, so am I after being in line for 10 min.

I didn't like the use of the new customs form online kiosk at DUB immigration. You think you can bypass a line, only to have to reenter it again. A hurry up and wait exercise.
 
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RE: Irish 12/15: High On Jet A1

Tue Jul 14, 2015 5:08 pm

RTE reporting that the EU commission has formally approved the takeover. Great times    


EC approves IAG's proposed Aer Lingus takeover

The European Commission has cleared IAG's proposed acquisition of Aer Lingus.

However, in a statement it said that its approval was conditional and parties to the sale had offered a number of commitments to address its concerns.

These include the release of five daily slot pairs at Gatwick airport.

Aer Lingus must also continue to carry connecting passengers to the long-haul flights of competing airlines on several routes

It comes after IAG improved concessions to ease competition worries, a person familiar with the matter said.

"The concessions include giving up some airport slots in London and special prorate agreements with rivals," the source said, according to reports on Reuters news agency.

Prorate deals typically allow competing airlines to obtain favourable terms allowing them to carry passengers on connecting flights in order to feed into the rivals' own flights.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/0714/714804-aer-lingus-takeover/

[Edited 2015-07-14 10:31:51]
 
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RE: Irish 12/15: High On Jet A1

Tue Jul 14, 2015 5:16 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 151):

RTE reporting that the EU commission has formally approved the takeover. Great times    


Brilliant news!   it will be interesting to see what happens with EI and management in the next 12 months!
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RE: Irish 12/15: High On Jet A1

Tue Jul 14, 2015 5:31 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 151):

Great news. As thought they will have to continue to feed other carriers, none specifically mentioned though. But against what people expected, it's LGW slots which have to be given up, not LHR...
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Tue Jul 14, 2015 5:34 pm

When will the takeover actually begin?
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RE: Irish 12/15: High On Jet A1

Tue Jul 14, 2015 5:37 pm

Quoting EIRules (Reply 153):

They can get LGW slots back anyway so pointless and can't see Easyjet or Ryanair bumping up capacity much to DUB/BHD,

Wondering will EI be forced to keep UA feed into DUB from Europe/UK after all?
 
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RE: Irish 12/15: High On Jet A1

Tue Jul 14, 2015 6:03 pm

Quoting frostyj (Reply 154):
When will the takeover actually begin?

EI are holding an EGM this Thursday. Shareholders vote will take place then.
But we already know that almost 60% will say yes. (Irish Govt 25.1%, FR 29.8% and EY >3%)
Over 90% and IAG will invoke the compulsory purchase for the other
 
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RE: Irish 12/15: High On Jet A1

Tue Jul 14, 2015 6:11 pm

How will this affect DUB/BHD - LGW ? The former is at six daily, the latter thrice daily on weekdays. EI pull out of the BHD route and reduce DUB? Someone else fly the route? Norwegian ?
 
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RE: Irish 12/15: High On Jet A1

Tue Jul 14, 2015 6:14 pm

Quite a perplexing announcement from the European Commission.

http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-15-5371_en.htm

Quote:
European Commissioner in charge of competition policy Margrethe Vestager said: "By obtaining significant concessions from the airlines the Commission has ensured that air passengers will continue to have a choice of airlines at competitive prices after IAG's takeover of Aer Lingus."
Quote:
The clearance decision is conditional upon the following commitments, which address the Commission’s concerns:
the release of five daily slot pairs at London-Gatwick airport to facilitate the entry of competing airlines on routes from London to both Dublin and Belfast ; and
Aer Lingus continuing to carry connecting passengers to use the long-haul flights of competing airlines out of London-Heathrow, London-Gatwick, Manchester, Amsterdam, Shannon and Dublin .

The Commission claims that "significant concessions" have been extracted from the airlines. In reality, these concessions are about as significant as a flea's fart in a hurricane.

EasyJet, the only carrier with sufficient financial and marketing strength to make a meaningful attempt at DUB-LGW, already enjoys a near 50% market share at Gatwick and could enter the market in the morning without any aid from IAG if they had a desire to do so.

It's very difficult to envisage any other carrier being able to withstand the onslaught from FR that would inevitably follow. Besides, DUB-LGW is already well contested.

And then we have...

Quote:
Furthermore, IAG made a commitment to enter into agreements with competing airlines which operate long-haul flights out of London Heathrow, London Gatwick, Manchester, Amsterdam, Shannon and Dublin so that Aer Lingus will continue to provide these airlines with connecting passengers.


To "enter into agreements"? These interline agreements have been in place for decades, and are now so ubiquitous in the industry that people barely bat an eyelid to them. That said; even in the highly unlikely event that IAG were to quietly scrap the interline agreement between EI and UA (for example) in two years' time, what exactly are the commission going to do about it?

At least this confirms that there is at least one person in Brussels having a quiet summer, despite the havoc elsewhere. It would seem that the Commission is demanding so-called "concessions" just for the sake of it.
 
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RE: Irish 12/15: High On Jet A1

Tue Jul 14, 2015 6:37 pm

Quoting Aer Lingus (Reply 157):
How will this affect DUB/BHD - LGW ? The former is at six daily, the latter thrice daily on weekdays. EI pull out of the BHD route and reduce DUB? Someone else fly the route? Norwegian ?

The impact is likely to be minimal. The obligation to relinquish five slot pairs at LGW lies with IAG, rather than EI; meaning that the slots are more likely to be sourced from some of BA's weaker LGW routes rather than EI. That is, of course, assuming that the current EI DUB-LGW is performing reasonably well.

In practice though, the effect will be even less significant, as BA should be able to source replacement slots at LGW with relative ease. While slots can be scarce at peak times, they are generally far more liquid than LHR slots and can be acquired for a fraction of the price. Of the five slots that must be relinquished, only 3-4 max are likely to be at peak times. It's a very minor concession, despite the spin from the EU bureaucrats.

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Wondering will EI be forced to keep UA feed into DUB from Europe/UK after all?

It's unlikely that the agreement would have been terminated even without this ruling.....BA still interline with DL and UA despite the JV with AA, as well as a host of other non-OW carriers. The only difference lies in the marketing; non-partner connections are not actively marketed - but are still available.

[Edited 2015-07-14 11:58:36]
 
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RE: Irish 12/15: High On Jet A1

Tue Jul 14, 2015 8:45 pm

The most probable changes that I can see for summer 2016 are as follows.

BA take over LGW-BHD, and LHR-BHD
Aer Lingus close the BHD base

U2 enter the LGW-DUB market. They have the business and the slots to be able to fight their corner.

U2 might even return to NOC.

From friends in AL, a second A330 is being talked about for next summer, plus another 757.

Also the pilots and some staff have shares, most are going to vote for the take over. (Only 1-2% shares).

Very interesting times ahead, I am however very surprised that there were no concessions in Lhr.
 
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RE: Irish 12/15: High On Jet A1

Tue Jul 14, 2015 8:53 pm

Quoting 321neoLR (Reply 160):

What do you mean a "second a330" will there now be 10?
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RE: Irish 12/15: High On Jet A1

Tue Jul 14, 2015 8:55 pm

Quoting 321neoLR (Reply 160):
U2 enter the LGW-DUB market. They have the business and the slots to be able to fight their corner.

U2 might even return to NOC.

Really can't see that, nothing has changed in the market, they will still be competing with EI/FR on the route. Slots would never be an issue. If they had interest in ROI market they would be here.

You could be right about BHD however that depends on how profitable the seasonal service is. The cost base of Aer Lingus is in a much better position to compete ex BHD to LGW than BA's.

[Edited 2015-07-14 13:58:07]
 
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RE: Irish 12/15: High On Jet A1

Tue Jul 14, 2015 9:08 pm

Quoting frostyj (Reply 161):

The plan is for 1 A330 to be added to the fleet for next summer, but now there are talks of a second.

Quoting Jamie2k9 (Reply 162):

Really can't see that, nothing has changed in the market, they will still be competing with EI/FR on the route. Slots would never be an issue. If they had interest in ROI market they would be here.

Ezy were run out of noc by ryr. However, ezy was much smaller, EI didn't fly to noc at the time, and once EZY pulled out, ryr left immediately, that's when EI continued the route.

The downfall for EZY is the lack of cargo. There is quite a bit to NOC and DUB.

I agree with you Lgw-dub, it would be difficult for EZY, and dub is not good for 30 min turns!
 
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RE: Irish 12/15: High On Jet A1

Tue Jul 14, 2015 9:19 pm

Quoting 321neoLR (Reply 163):

Ok and so where is this coming from?
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RE: Irish 12/15: High On Jet A1

Tue Jul 14, 2015 9:21 pm

Quoting 321neoLR (Reply 163):
Ezy were run out of noc by ryr. However, ezy was much smaller, EI didn't fly to noc at the time, and once EZY pulled out, ryr left immediately, that's when EI continued the route.

The downfall for EZY is the lack of cargo. There is quite a bit to NOC and DUB.

I agree with you Lgw-dub, it would be difficult for EZY, and dub is not good for 30 min turns!

They were ran out and the same would happen again if they came to town. I'm sure DUB is better than LGW for turnaround, FR can do it so EZY could as well.
 
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RE: Irish 12/15: High On Jet A1

Tue Jul 14, 2015 9:22 pm

Quoting frostyj (Reply 161):
What do you mean a "second a330" will there now be 10?
Quoting 321neoLR (Reply 160):
From friends in AL, a second A330 is being talked about for next summer, plus another 757.

If the best case happens then it will be 10 A330 and 4 B757 in S2016.
 
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RE: Irish 12/15: High On Jet A1

Tue Jul 14, 2015 9:34 pm

Can't see U2 coming back in the near future. I think in future there is a possibility for some sun routes but let Ryanair fully re-adjust itself first to a customer friendly airline and one that flies to central airports before stepping on its turf.

Great news for EI. Quite surprised the concessions were only from LGW and not LHR. No major loss to either BA or EI in that case.

Quoting Eagleboy (Reply 166):
If the best case happens then it will be 10 A330 and 4 B757 in S2016.

Not sure if this is entirely related to the IAG takeover or not but a fleet of 14 long haul aircraft is excellent for summer periods, not too sure about winter periods. Will some be parked?
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RE: Irish 12/15: High On Jet A1

Tue Jul 14, 2015 10:05 pm

Back to more important matters.   Has there been any mention of a date for OW reentry?
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RE: Irish 12/15: High On Jet A1

Wed Jul 15, 2015 12:35 pm

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 168):
Back to more important matters. Has there been any mention of a date for OW reentry?

Haha! That's what I am wondering too - I've seen no date mentioned as yet. Eagerly awaiting that announcement...
I do enjoy a spot of flying, especially when it's not in economy!
 
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Wed Jul 15, 2015 7:46 pm

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[Edited 2015-07-15 13:07:45]
 
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RE: Irish 12/15: High On Jet A1

Wed Jul 15, 2015 7:47 pm

Some pretty cheap fares inbound to DUB with WOW Air.


 
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Thu Jul 16, 2015 7:51 am

Despite the Irish Times claiming that the helicopter involved in a collision with a pub in Abbeyshrule last night, has no major damage, the attached photo clearly shows the aircraft as a write-off.
Luckily the two onboard have no serious injuries.
 
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Thu Jul 16, 2015 12:05 pm

Dublin airport passenger numbers up 15% in first half of the year

Passenger numbers at Dublin Airport increased by 15% to 11.5 million during the first six months of the year, according to DAA.

The airport authority said that Dublin has seen 1.5 million extra passengers so far in the first half of 2015.

Passenger traffic to and from continental Europe grew by 16% in the first six months with almost 5.9 million passengers using Dublin airport.

UK passenger traffic is up 13% with over 4.2 million passengers flying to and from 25 UK cities in the first half of the year.

DAA also said that Transatlantic traffic increased by 12%, as just over one million people travelled between Dublin and North America during the first half of the year.

http://www.rte.ie/news/business/2015/0715/714957-dublin-airport/
 
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Thu Jul 16, 2015 7:11 pm

This NI tourist colour film, dating from 1958, is heavily dominated by film of a very wet Twelfth procession but there are two bits of aviation interest.

A very brief shot of a Westland Widgeon or S 51 helicopter early on.
A somewhat longer clip showing Nutts Corner Airport in July 1958, with the arrival of a Canadian band on a CP aircraft at about 11 minutes in.

http://player.bfi.org.uk/film/watch-...n-ireland-tourist-board-1958-1958/
 
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Thu Jul 16, 2015 7:21 pm

Quoting dstc47 (Reply 174):

Wow fascinating. People always talk about our historic links with Canada but I didn't really think about it or realise the extent of it until seeng this.

I guess it really was large. For me now though I never really hear of anyone talking about Canada or even visiting. Although I myself have Canadian cousins living in Winnipeg who just visited a week ago.
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Fri Jul 17, 2015 8:36 am

Quoting frostyj (Reply 175):
Wow fascinating. People always talk about our historic links with Canada but I didn't really think about it or realise the extent of it until seeng this.

As an Ulster person I have more extended family in Canada than in the US. So the importance of Canadian connections was never a surprise to me. Perhaps its a generation thing?
 
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Fri Jul 17, 2015 2:30 pm

Seem's to be lot of advertising of Cork-LCY service around Cork on buses, billboards etc. Not to forget the TV adds. Clearly Cork have learned from the PRG mess.
 
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Fri Jul 17, 2015 3:38 pm

Seems flight TS 315 ( A330 ) from FCO-YYZ is now diverting to DUB.
 
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Fri Jul 17, 2015 3:47 pm

That's the famous Azores glider. It caused delayes at DUB, but it seems like it's now clear of runway 28.
 
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RE: Irish 12/15: High On Jet A1

Fri Jul 17, 2015 3:49 pm

Smell of burning in the cockpit apparently, declared a mayday and decended very quickly.

Has landed now and is taxiing off the runway followed by the fire crew.

Lots of aircraft holding but the runway is now open again.
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RE: Irish 12/15: High On Jet A1

Fri Jul 17, 2015 3:51 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 178):
Seems flight TS 315 ( A330 ) from FCO-YYZ is now diverting to DUB.

Boards mentions it was a mayday with smoke/fumes in the cockpit, safely down now.
 
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RE: Irish 12/15: High On Jet A1

Fri Jul 17, 2015 9:14 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 178):

Flight due to continue tomorrow 18th @ 10am

Quite disconcerting to hear about smoke/fumes in the cockpit tbh. Does anybody have more info on whether there was indeed smoke or just a dodgy sensor trigger???
 
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Fri Jul 17, 2015 9:59 pm

Quoting SuperSix2 (Reply 182):

The AH says the cabin and it was gone when they were near DUB but still requested the aircraft to stop on runway for inspection.

It caused huge delays this evening, more less everything holding for 20-30 minutes for 90 minutes. Only a couple of diversions though.
 
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RE: Irish 12/15: High On Jet A1

Sat Jul 18, 2015 12:47 pm

Quoting frostyj (Reply 175):
Wow fascinating. People always talk about our historic links with Canada but I didn't really think about it or realise the extent of it until seeng this.


I can remember Air Canada bringing in the 747 as a charter via the maple leaf club during the early 80's as a child to BFS. I even got a flight deck visit. More recently up until the mid 2000's BFS would see at least 2/3 regular Canadian Charter flights a week from May-October. Some of the airlines to operate the route were, Zoom (767), Air Transat (A310), Royal Airlines (Lockhead Tri-star) Flyglobespan (767) Canada 3000 (757 I think)

[Edited 2015-07-18 05:55:48]

[Edited 2015-07-18 05:57:57]

Quoting Eagleboy (Reply 176):

As an Ulster person I have more extended family in Canada than in the US. So the importance of Canadian connections was never a surprise to me. Perhaps its a generation thing?

I think we must be of the same generation  Big grin


[Edited 2015-07-18 05:58:57]
 
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Sat Jul 18, 2015 5:35 pm

Has anyone noticed that the IAD service has been having trouble departing and arriving on-time lately? The entire month of June hasn't seen one departure or arrival out of IAD or DUB within 20 minutes of the scheduled times. The majority have departed 45+ mins behind schedule.

17-Jul-2015 A332/L Dublin Int'l (EIDW / DUB) Washington Dulles Intl (KIAD) 01:20PM IST 03:02PM EDT 6:41
15-Jul-2015 A332/L Dublin Int'l (EIDW / DUB) Washington Dulles Intl (KIAD) 01:28PM IST 03:45PM EDT 7:17
13-Jul-2015 A332/L Dublin Int'l (EIDW / DUB) Washington Dulles Intl (KIAD) 01:59PM IST 04:04PM EDT 7:04
12-Jul-2015 A332/L Dublin Int'l (EIDW / DUB) Washington Dulles Intl (KIAD) 01:19PM IST 03:17PM EDT 6:58
10-Jul-2015 A332/L Dublin Int'l (EIDW / DUB) Washington Dulles Intl (KIAD) 01:37PM IST 03:45PM EDT 7:07
08-Jul-2015 A332/L Dublin Int'l (EIDW / DUB) Washington Dulles Intl (KIAD) 01:37PM IST 04:16PM EDT 7:38
06-Jul-2015 A332/L Dublin Int'l (EIDW / DUB) Washington Dulles Intl (KIAD) 02:46PM IST 04:44PM EDT

I was on the 119 on the 13th, and we departed over an hour late, and arrived an hour late into IAD. The explanation given by the captain once on board was that the plane was on a remote stand, and then had to be prepped for the flight, and the security check had to be done.

This is hardly an excuse. This plane arrived before 5am into Dublin that day. It doesn't take 8 hours to turn this plane around for a 12:45 departure. EI is really struggling on this route lately and I'm not sure what the issue is on the ground in Dublin. However, the load that day seemed to be pretty solid with 20 in J.
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Sat Jul 18, 2015 6:18 pm

Cityjet going heavy on ORK marketing - this will have been dear enough to secure:

http://radiotoday.ie/2015/07/cityjet...reakfast-with-corks-96fm-and-c103/
 
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Sat Jul 18, 2015 6:58 pm

Quoting aerlingusa330 (Reply 185):

2 of those flights are early and 2 are only 10 minutes late, nothing major and those are take off times and not push back which is not exactly in control of Aer Lingus. The aircraft does come from a remote stand before departure.

On another note EI109 will be operating to T4 in JFK (must clear in US) today because on a 90 minute delay in AGP this afternoon. For the last 3 Saturdays one of the afternoon departures have had to clear in the US because of delays.

EI need to push for a 2 hour delay window for clearance, given they have stayed open until 17.00 a few times in the last few weeks clearing delayed transit flights.
 
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Sat Jul 18, 2015 7:45 pm

Quoting aerlingusa330 (Reply 185):

Take off time is not official departure time. Push back time is the official departure time. Take off queues are becoming quite lengthy here in Dublin again!
 
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Sat Jul 18, 2015 7:45 pm

Very enjoyable day at the airshow in SNN today. Good display and well organised. City jet in the 146 even wowed with a good performance for an airliner.
 
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Sat Jul 18, 2015 8:56 pm

Quoting SURFER (Reply 189):

Was there myself too, a great display. Im glad i chose SNN over bray  

The 146 was a nippy little thing alright!

Hopefully we'll see more displays at SNN??!!

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RE: Irish 12/15: High On Jet A1

Sun Jul 19, 2015 8:44 pm

Quoting nbmike (Reply 184):
I can remember Air Canada bringing in the 747 as a charter via the maple leaf club during the early 80's as a child to BFS. I even got a flight deck visit. More recently up until the mid 2000's BFS would see at least 2/3 regular Canadian Charter flights a week from May-October. Some of the airlines to operate the route were, Zoom (767), Air Transat (A310), Royal Airlines (Lockhead Tri-star) Flyglobespan (767) Canada 3000 (757 I think)

In the summer of 1990 I worked for Chieftain Tours. At the time they had two weekly Air Canada charter flights one operated by a 747 and the other by a mix of L10-11 or 767. The was also an extra flight that operated for a few weeks in July. I think it was operated by Air Transat.

In addition to the Chieftain Tours charter, Ulster Maple Leaf had a weekly service operated by air transit using an L10-11.

There was also a one off Christmas departure I think it was a two week duration operated by AC and charted by Chieftain.

Over the years there have been lots of charter services between Belfast and Canada.

Belfast to Vancouver operated by Caledonian Airlines using an L10-11 for Chieftain Tours
Belfast to Toronto operated by Air Club International using a 747 (they had planned to also fly to YVR but never happened)
Belfast to Toronto operated by Royal Airlines I think using an A310

This is before Zoom and Globspan. (I left Belfast in 1996)

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RE: Irish 12/15: High On Jet A1

Mon Jul 20, 2015 9:40 am

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news...llowing-iag-takeover-31388816.html

"Ryanair targets Aer Lingus routes following IAG takeover"

"The number of Ryanair aircraft based at Dublin next winter will already rise from 21 to 25, with increased frequencies on routes to destinations such as Berlin, Madrid and Manchester. But it's now believed the number of Ryanair planes based at Dublin next winter could be increased beyond that 25, possibly to 30."

It'll be interesting to see how FR responds to the IAG takeover. 30 aircraft based in DUB is a large increase in capacity from today. Let's hope the aggressive competition is sustainable and the travelling public benefit from decreased fares.

Wishful thinking but I'd love to see more competition in ORK, SNN and KIR.
 
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Mon Jul 20, 2015 9:57 am

FR's usual attempts to "target" an EI route involve ramping capacity up, but at terrible times, and then slowly pulling back as they realise non-leisure customers (and even some of those...) continue to book EI...

They're already doing it (again!) on MAN as a response to EI's LPL announcement; guaranteed they'll be reducing that soon enough.
 
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Mon Jul 20, 2015 10:10 am

Quoting EIDL (Reply 193):


They have cut the planned increases to MAN/BHX (some of them) and not elated to EI but have cut the frequency on Sundays back on several routes. Says to me they are losing a packet.

EI did well last winter and I cant see it been any different this year.
 
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RE: Irish 12/15: High On Jet A1

Mon Jul 20, 2015 10:14 am

Quoting VFRonTop (Reply 192):
Wishful thinking but I'd love to see more competition in ORK, SNN and KIR.

FR having KIR as a hub during the PSO agreement was great as they often undercut Irish Rail to Dublin. If the PSO agreement lasts beyond the current tender I would love to see FR back on it again as EI charge a little too much to justify the flight over train.

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I see Transavia is marketing quite heavily around Dublin for the new ORY route. The "Fly to France on a French Airline" tagline is a little controversial, however, given that Transavia is essentially Dutch with a French subsidiary.
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RE: Irish 12/15: High On Jet A1

Mon Jul 20, 2015 10:36 am

It will be interesting if there is a price war on some routes but Im sure it will be short lived. FR are already offering EUR9.99 fares DUB-MAN. Not sure those will get any cheaper.

Quoting Cipango (Reply 195):
The "Fly to France on a French Airline" tagline is a little controversial, however, given that Transavia is essentially Dutch with a French subsidiary.

Like with everything its all marketing and PR. Im sure there are aspects which one could argue makes them French. Having a HQ at ORY is one. I guess Aer Lingus will still be considered an Irish airline once IAG take over although Im sure some will argue with that too.
 
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RE: Irish 12/15: High On Jet A1

Mon Jul 20, 2015 11:16 am

Talking about cheap fares, Virgin have €320 return fares DUB HKG at the moment for departures in September and around €400 for August.

August is peak travel and September and October are the best months weather wise here so really surprised it's so cheap.

I expected these low fares to dry up when the 789 took over from the 346, but not the case it seems. They must be bleeding on the route.
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RE: Irish 12/15: High On Jet A1

Mon Jul 20, 2015 11:32 am

Quoting OA260 (Reply 196):
It will be interesting if there is a price war on some routes but Im sure it will be short lived. FR are already offering EUR9.99 fares DUB-MAN. Not sure those will get any cheaper.

They have been offering €5 fares SNN-MAN so there is potential to go lower.

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 197):
Talking about cheap fares, Virgin have €320 return fares DUB HKG at the moment for departures in September and around €400 for August.

August is peak travel and September and October are the best months weather wise here so really surprised it's so cheap.

I expected these low fares to dry up when the 789 took over from the 346, but not the case it seems. They must be bleeding on the route.

Very tempting...

I used to live in HK and have been back there 3 times in the last year and will still never tire of it, amazing city through and out.

I saw recently some good deals booking through Expedia HK with VS and also with LH/LX through FRA/ZRH for a similar price.
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RE: Irish 12/15: High On Jet A1

Mon Jul 20, 2015 11:32 am

Quoting Cipango (Reply 195):
FR having KIR as a hub during the PSO agreement was great as they often undercut Irish Rail to Dublin. If the PSO agreement lasts beyond the current tender I would love to see FR back on it again as EI charge a little too much to justify the flight over train.

Speaking of domestic routes... Is the ORK to DUB route truly dead now? I'd find it hard to believe that there is no demand from people to travel from their local airport and connect rather than drive the 3hrs to Dublin Airport (plus the cost of fuel and parking)

Any chance RE/EIR could fly a twice daily ATR72?

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