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Some A330 at TLS

Next delivery:

Airbus A330 -243 1771 B-8950 Tibet Airlines delivery 17feb17 TLS-LXA ex F-WWYV

TIbet A330-243 msn 1771 by dn280tls, on Flickr

Anothet A330-300 Regional delivered today

Airbus A330 -343 1774 HZ-AQ23 Saudi Arabian Airlines delivery 22feb17 TLS-JED

A A330F delivered to Etihad

Airbus A330 -243F 1772 A6-DCE Etihad Airways delivery 27feb17 TLS-AUH ex F-WWCP

That must be one of the last A330F in the order book.


Airbus A330F Etihad Cargo A6-DCF by Jujug Spotting, on Flickr

KarelXWB wrote:

That must be one of the last A330F in the order book.

As best I can tell there are three more to come for MNG and one for Turkish.

PM wrote:

KarelXWB wrote:

That must be one of the last A330F in the order book.

As best I can tell there are three more to come for MNG and one for Turkish.

When no A330F was delivered in 2017 the backlog stood at 6 ( WP:EN:A330 )

Dose anyone know whats holding up the IR 330 (EP-IJA) delivery?

Another regional delivered to Saudi

Airbus A330 -343 1770 HZ-AQ22 Saudi Arabian Airlines delivery 13mar17 TLS-JED ex F-WWYT

nimool wrote:

Dose anyone know whats holding up the IR 330 (EP-IJA) delivery?

It was delivered from TLS>THR on March 11th. The next one, EP-IJB, ferried from CHR>TLS after painting on March 10th, and should follow shortly.

audidudi wrote:

nimool wrote:

Dose anyone know whats holding up the IR 330 (EP-IJA) delivery?

It was delivered from TLS>THR on March 11th. The next one, EP-IJB, ferried from CHR>TLS after painting on March 10th, and should follow shortly.

Thanks yes I know about these two now
the third one is awaiting Delivery too I Think!

nimool wrote:

audidudi wrote:

nimool wrote:

Dose anyone know whats holding up the IR 330 (EP-IJA) delivery?

It was delivered from TLS>THR on March 11th. The next one, EP-IJB, ferried from CHR>TLS after painting on March 10th, and should follow shortly.

Thanks yes I know about these two now
the third one is awaiting Delivery too I Think!

The third one, msn 1608, which presumably becomes EP-IJC, ferried LETL>CHR earlier this month for painting and is probably still there.

Anything new on the Beluga XL front?

WIederling wrote:

Anything new on the Beluga XL front?

The first Beluga XL is currently undergoing modifications inside one of the A380 hangars in TLS. We won't see it until the next 8 months or so.

EC-MOU and EC-MOY will be the first two A330 of LEVEL.....sn 1777 and 1784

That explains why MSN 1777 was seen without IB titles. Now it just needs a repaint.

Not sure if it has been posted before, here's a mockup of the A330 Completion & Delivery Centre in Tianjin:


https://twitter.com/FlightVmax/status/8 ... 7721011200

Prompted by the news about LEVEL I've looked at the A330-200 unfilled orderbook. LEVEL is taking the next two A330-200s on order for Iberia. Iberia has another frame on order which could be used by LEVEL but otherwise it looks as though IAG would need to place new orders or take used frames if they want to expand the LEVEL fleet.
Overall the situation is as follows ;
Unfilled orders

Government / MRTT - 18
Undisclosed ( presumably China ) - 9
Iran Air - 8 ( excludes the first 3 that were previously delivered to Avianca )
Jet Airways - 5
Iberia - 3
Hawaiian - 1

Total 44

MSN assigned up to MSN 1834 which should account for most of 2017 deliveries

Government - 4
Iberia - 2 ( going to LEVEL )
Hawaiian - 1
Undisclosed - 3 ( one each for Sichuan, Tianjin, Capital Air )

Total 10

Geoff

Geoff1947 wrote:

Prompted by the news about LEVEL I've looked at the A330-200 unfilled orderbook. LEVEL is taking the next two A330-200s on order for Iberia. Iberia has another frame on order which could be used by LEVEL but otherwise it looks as though IAG would need to place new orders or take used frames if they want to expand the LEVEL fleet.
Overall the situation is as follows ;
Unfilled orders

Government / MRTT - 18
Undisclosed ( presumably China ) - 9
Iran Air - 8 ( excludes the first 3 that were previously delivered to Avianca )
Jet Airways - 5
Iberia - 3
Hawaiian - 1

Total 44

MSN assigned up to MSN 1834 which should account for most of 2017 deliveries

Government - 4
Iberia - 2 ( going to LEVEL )
Hawaiian - 1
Undisclosed - 3 ( one each for Sichuan, Tianjin, Capital Air )

Total 10

Geoff

Realised that there has been a delivery to Tianjin already this month which was not included in my earlier post.

I get the information about allocated MSNs from this excellent source

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... utput=html

Geoff1947 wrote:

it looks as though IAG would need to place new orders or take used frames if they want to expand the LEVEL fleet.

If new, they can either take up A330 options they still have, or take A338s

http://www.tehrantimes.com/news/412164/ ... hran-today

According to the above article Iran Air is to fly home its 2nd Airbus A330 today! Congrats to both parties! Anyone know when the next few deliveries are going to be?

MileHFL400 wrote:

http://www.tehrantimes.com/news/412164/Iran-s-3rd-new-Airbus-to-land-in-Tehran-today

According to the above article Iran Air is to fly home its 2nd Airbus A330 today! Congrats to both parties! Anyone know when the next few deliveries are going to be?

The first three are not new ( Avianca NTUs ).

I've not seen MSNs assigned for the new builds so they will probably be no sooner than mid 2018.

Geoff

Geoff1947 wrote:

MileHFL400 wrote:

http://www.tehrantimes.com/news/412164/Iran-s-3rd-new-Airbus-to-land-in-Tehran-today

According to the above article Iran Air is to fly home its 2nd Airbus A330 today! Congrats to both parties! Anyone know when the next few deliveries are going to be?

The first three are not new ( Avianca NTUs ).

I've not seen MSNs assigned for the new builds so they will probably be no sooner than mid 2018.

Geoff

As Avianca never took delivery and flew them, and then subsequently they were stored at LETL, then surely they are still considered new?. It's no different than someone going to a car dealership and buying a 2016 model car that was ordered by a customer, who never took delivery, and the dealership resells it to another customer, even though there are new-build 2017 models on the lot!

audidudi wrote:

Geoff1947 wrote:

MileHFL400 wrote:

http://www.tehrantimes.com/news/412164/Iran-s-3rd-new-Airbus-to-land-in-Tehran-today

According to the above article Iran Air is to fly home its 2nd Airbus A330 today! Congrats to both parties! Anyone know when the next few deliveries are going to be?

The first three are not new ( Avianca NTUs ).

I've not seen MSNs assigned for the new builds so they will probably be no sooner than mid 2018.

Geoff

As Avianca never took delivery and flew them, and then subsequently they were stored at LETL, then surely they are still considered new?. It's no different than someone going to a car dealership and buying a 2016 model car that was ordered by a customer, who never took delivery, and the dealership resells it to another customer, even though there are new-build 2017 models on the lot!

Don' think your analogy works , buying cars and buying airliners are very different processes. Almost always airliners are built to order.
I agree new is not a very precise term. They weren't built for Iran and those that are going to be built for them are at least 18 months away. Plenty of used or nearly new options available in the meantime.

Geoff

Geoff1947 wrote:

audidudi wrote:

Geoff1947 wrote:

The first three are not new ( Avianca NTUs ).

I've not seen MSNs assigned for the new builds so they will probably be no sooner than mid 2018.

Geoff

As Avianca never took delivery and flew them, and then subsequently they were stored at LETL, then surely they are still considered new?. It's no different than someone going to a car dealership and buying a 2016 model car that was ordered by a customer, who never took delivery, and the dealership resells it to another customer, even though there are new-build 2017 models on the lot!

Don' think your analogy works , buying cars and buying airliners are very different processes. Almost always airliners are built to order.
I agree new is not a very precise term. They weren't built for Iran and those that are going to be built for them are at least 18 months away. Plenty of used or nearly new options available in the meantime.

Geoff

Buying cars and commercial aircraft are very similar, except the number of zeroes.

A customer specified order for a car, cancelled before delivery, placed in the showroom, and sold, is still a new car. Different if the customer originally ordering took delivery, used it for a few days, and then returned it. Then it would be an ex-demonstrator in vehicle parlance.

In terms of never having been delivered, never having flown revenue earning services, never having carried commercial cargo, and total hours and cycles, these would be considered new.

Based on the rest of the Iran Air fleet, they would definitely be considered new.

audidudi wrote:

Geoff1947 wrote:

As Avianca never took delivery and flew them, and then subsequently they were stored at LETL, then surely they are still considered new?. It's no different than someone going to a car dealership and buying a 2016 model car that was ordered by a customer, who never took delivery, and the dealership resells it to another customer, even though there are new-build 2017 models on the lot!

Actually, they were delivered to Avianca/Synergy, but they were never put in revenue traffic

Planesmart wrote:

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Buying cars and commercial aircraft are very similar, except the number of zeroes.

A customer specified order for a car, cancelled before delivery, placed in the showroom, and sold, is still a new car. Different if the customer originally ordering took delivery, used it for a few days, and then returned it. Then it would be an ex-demonstrator in vehicle parlance.

In terms of never having been delivered, never having flown revenue earning services, never having carried commercial cargo, and total hours and cycles, these would be considered new.

Based on the rest of the Iran Air fleet, they would definitely be considered new.

With cars if its been titled in the customers name , even if it never left the dealers lot, it is legally "used". If it was actually delivered/ titled to the lessor even with effectively zero hours of commercial use, I would think its still legally considered used but 'good as new'.

Another delivery:

Airbus A330 -323 1776 B-8870 China Southern delivery 28mar17 TLS-CAN ex F-WWKO

Based on the know production list, this is the 2nd last with PW engines

Planesmart wrote:

Geoff1947 wrote:

audidudi wrote:

As Avianca never took delivery and flew them, and then subsequently they were stored at LETL, then surely they are still considered new?. It's no different than someone going to a car dealership and buying a 2016 model car that was ordered by a customer, who never took delivery, and the dealership resells it to another customer, even though there are new-build 2017 models on the lot!

Don' think your analogy works , buying cars and buying airliners are very different processes. Almost always airliners are built to order.
I agree new is not a very precise term. They weren't built for Iran and those that are going to be built for them are at least 18 months away. Plenty of used or nearly new options available in the meantime.

Geoff

Buying cars and commercial aircraft are very similar, except the number of zeroes.

A customer specified order for a car, cancelled before delivery, placed in the showroom, and sold, is still a new car. Different if the customer originally ordering took delivery, used it for a few days, and then returned it. Then it would be an ex-demonstrator in vehicle parlance.

In terms of never having been delivered, never having flown revenue earning services, never having carried commercial cargo, and total hours and cycles, these would be considered new.

Based on the rest of the Iran Air fleet, they would definitely be considered new.

Those Avianca Brasil A330s were delivered to Synergy Aviation, the leasing arm of Avianca, in 2014 (2x) and 2015 (2x). You can find those deliveries in Airbus' order books of that year. Airbus bought them back and will re-deliver them to Iran Air as "new".

WIederling wrote:

PM wrote:

KarelXWB wrote:

That must be one of the last A330F in the order book.

As best I can tell there are three more to come for MNG and one for Turkish.

When no A330F was delivered in 2017 the backlog stood at 6 ( WP:EN:A330 )

I know Airbus have launched a freighter conversion program for the A330-300. Does anybody know how many that are up for freighter conversion?

hilram wrote:

Does anybody know how many that are up for freighter conversion?

Both (-200,-300) are eligible.
I found 4 for DHL from last summer on short notice.
( to be done at Elbewerke, an Airbus subsidy.)

Next delivery:

Airbus A330 -343 1779 ZS-SXL South African delivery 31mar17 TLS-JNB ex F-WWCI

KarelXWB wrote:

Planesmart wrote:

Geoff1947 wrote:

Don' think your analogy works , buying cars and buying airliners are very different processes. Almost always airliners are built to order.
I agree new is not a very precise term. They weren't built for Iran and those that are going to be built for them are at least 18 months away. Plenty of used or nearly new options available in the meantime.

Geoff

Buying cars and commercial aircraft are very similar, except the number of zeroes.

A customer specified order for a car, cancelled before delivery, placed in the showroom, and sold, is still a new car. Different if the customer originally ordering took delivery, used it for a few days, and then returned it. Then it would be an ex-demonstrator in vehicle parlance.

In terms of never having been delivered, never having flown revenue earning services, never having carried commercial cargo, and total hours and cycles, these would be considered new.

Based on the rest of the Iran Air fleet, they would definitely be considered new.

Those Avianca Brasil A330s were delivered to Synergy Aviation, the leasing arm of Avianca, in 2014 (2x) and 2015 (2x). You can find those deliveries in Airbus' order books of that year. Airbus bought them back and will re-deliver them to Iran Air as "new".

But not new deliveries for 2017. Already counted as a new delivery in the year they were first delivered. You can't deliver the same frame twice as new.

Geoff

Geoff1947 wrote:

You can't deliver the same frame twice as new.

Of course you can. The plane is Airbus property again. Those public delivery sheets are no financial documents, they just show monthly deliveries and do not include the purchases made by Airbus themselves.

KarelXWB wrote:

Geoff1947 wrote:

You can't deliver the same frame twice as new.

Of course you can. The plane is Airbus property again. The order book is just public information and doesn't include Airbus' own purchases. Public order books are not used by the financial/legal guys.

I always use the suppliers own figures and definitions. Airbus are not recording the Iran Air frames as deliveries. In the end February Airbus spreadsheet Iran Air shows as 8 ordered none delivered and 1 operational.

Geoff

Geoff1947 wrote:

In the end February Airbus spreadsheet Iran Air shows as 8 ordered none delivered and 1 operational.

That's a bit odd as both A330s were delivered in March, not February.

KarelXWB wrote:

Geoff1947 wrote:

In the end February Airbus spreadsheet Iran Air shows as 8 ordered none delivered and 1 operational.

That's a bit odd as both A330s were delivered in March, not February.

Good point, very odd. Will be interesting to see what next week's Airbus update shows.

Geoff

Eva Air also received another A330 in March:

Airbus A330 -302 1778 B-16338 Eva Air delivery 28mar17 TLS-TPE ex F-WWYZ

Hello~ My name is N837MH. I'm a Korean Aviation Spotter.

So, I have some question about S.Korea Airforce's A330 MRTT.

Do you have some information about S.Korea Airforce's A330 MRTT?

Just Anything. Like about assembly, plan, delivery.

If you have some news, please reply to me.

Thank you.
Cheers!!
From South Korea.
N837MH.

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N837MH wrote:

Hello~ My name is N837MH. I'm a Korean Aviation Spotter.

So, I have some question about S.Korea Airforce's A330 MRTT.

Do you have some information about S.Korea Airforce's A330 MRTT?

Just Anything. Like about assembly, plan, delivery.

If you have some news, please reply to me.

Thank you.
Cheers!!
From South Korea.
N837MH.

Probably better to ask here,

viewtopic.php?f=10&t=1028115

When will we see Iran Air's next delivery?

MileHFL400 wrote:

When will we see Iran Air's next delivery?

Same question as you asked a week ago !!

N837MH wrote:

Hello~ My name is N837MH. I'm a Korean Aviation Spotter.

So, I have some question about S.Korea Airforce's A330 MRTT.

Do you have some information about S.Korea Airforce's A330 MRTT?

Just Anything. Like about assembly, plan, delivery.

If you have some news, please reply to me.

Thank you.
Cheers!!
From South Korea.
N837MH.

Not sure if this helps. The first ROK Air Force A330-200MRTT is assigned MSN 1787. Currently in brown primer (towed out of hangar on the 29th).

Geoff1947 wrote:

MileHFL400 wrote:

When will we see Iran Air's next delivery?

Same question as you asked a week ago !!

That was just before the 2nd A330 was delivered

The first A330 for Level is going home today:

Airbus A330 -202 1777 EC-MOU Iberia delivery 07apr17 TLS-MAD e F-WWYD

KarelXWB wrote:

The first A330 for Level is going home today:

Airbus A330 -202 1777 EC-MOU Iberia delivery 07apr17 TLS-MAD e F-WWYD

¿ALREADY PAINT?

pabloeing wrote:

KarelXWB wrote:

The first A330 for Level is going home today:

Airbus A330 -202 1777 EC-MOU Iberia delivery 07apr17 TLS-MAD e F-WWYD

¿ALREADY PAINT?

No, it is still with the Iberia tail and white fuselage AFAIK

Geoff1947 wrote:

KarelXWB wrote:

Geoff1947 wrote:

In the end February Airbus spreadsheet Iran Air shows as 8 ordered none delivered and 1 operational.

That's a bit odd as both A330s were delivered in March, not February.

Good point, very odd. Will be interesting to see what next week's Airbus update shows.

Geoff

The March Airbus update hasn't helped as there are no changes to the Iran Air row in the spreadsheet. Does confirm that the A330s for Iran Air were not treated as new deliveries.

Geoff

Someone83 wrote:

pabloeing wrote:

KarelXWB wrote:

The first A330 for Level is going home today:

¿ALREADY PAINT?

No, it is still with the Iberia tail and white fuselage AFAIK

Indeed.


Level A330-202 msn 1777 by dn280tls, on Flickr

Seems like the Beluga XL is getting closer and closer, according to Airbus PR today

The first large sections of Airbus’ next generation new transport aircraft, the BelugaXL, have arrived at the aircraft Final Assembly facility (L34) in Toulouse.
Following a five night long road convoy from Aernnova’s factory in Berantevilla, north eastern Spain, the panels (two laterals, one central) are required to complete the rear section of the BelugaXL.
Together with further work packages built by various other partners, the sections will eventually form the first BelugaXL. The design concept of the aircraft is similar to the current Beluga with the cargo bay structure, the aircraft’s rear-end and tail being some of the sections newly developed.

Left side panel :