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United Airlines Boeing 777-200s

Wed Jun 12, 2019 11:28 pm

I'm looking for some information on United's current fleet of 777-200s, and please bear with me as I don't fully understand all of the differences/terminology...
For starters, what's the difference between a 772 and a 772ER, other than that the letters stand for Extended Range?

UA has this useful tool, but it's missing some info - like which ones are domestic and which are international? Looks like First and Business Class are now called "Polaris" and with different seats (lie-flats?), for whatever reason...
https://www.united.com/web/en-US/conten ... fault.aspx

Going off the above list, these are my "educated guesses"...
Version 1 - International with 1st Class and seatback IFE.
Version 2 - International, sans 1st Class, Business only with seatback IFE.
Version 3 and 4 - Domestic, and these appear to be almost identical! (Other than and extra lav and row of seats??) What's the difference, exactly? No seatback IFE in these.
Version 5 - Domestic, but some sort of different configuration and with seatback IFE ?

What about registration numbers for each of these - does such a listing exist of which versions have what registration numbers, and how many of each?
Information on the above for 747-400s might be nice as well - info on 767-300s seems much more cut and dry on UA's site...just domestic and international!?
 
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Re: United Airlines Boeing 777-200s

Wed Jun 12, 2019 11:35 pm

AlnessW wrote:
I'm looking for some information on United's current fleet of 777-200s, and please bear with me as I don't fully understand all of the differences/terminology...
For starters, what's the difference between a 772 and a 772ER, other than that the letters stand for Extended Range?



Check this out https://sites.google.com/site/unitedfleetsite/home, and most of your questions should be answered.
 
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Re: United Airlines Boeing 777-200s

Thu Jun 13, 2019 1:42 am

AlnessW wrote:
I'm looking for some information on United's current fleet of 777-200s, and please bear with me as I don't fully understand all of the differences/terminology...
For starters, what's the difference between a 772 and a 772ER, other than that the letters stand for Extended Range?

UA has this useful tool, but it's missing some info - like which ones are domestic and which are international? Looks like First and Business Class are now called "Polaris" and with different seats (lie-flats?), for whatever reason...
https://www.united.com/web/en-US/conten ... fault.aspx

Going off the above list, these are my "educated guesses"...
Version 1 - International with 1st Class and seatback IFE.
Version 2 - International, sans 1st Class, Business only with seatback IFE.
Version 3 and 4 - Domestic, and these appear to be almost identical! (Other than and extra lav and row of seats??) What's the difference, exactly? No seatback IFE in these.
Version 5 - Domestic, but some sort of different configuration and with seatback IFE ?

What about registration numbers for each of these - does such a listing exist of which versions have what registration numbers, and how many of each?
Information on the above for 747-400s might be nice as well - info on 767-300s seems much more cut and dry on UA's site...just domestic and international!?


I can answer some of these:
1. United uses most, if not all of the "ER" variants of the 777's on international routes due to their significant range increase in comparison with a regular 772.
2. United uses most of the non "ER" variants, the regular 772's, on domestic routes with a lot of frequency, which basically means all of their hub to hub service, as well as Hawaii. For example, if you look at their website, they have a few daily 772's scheduled from EWR-SFO, IAH-ORD, and to and from Hawaii.
3. In terms of registration and engine types, registrations without the "UA" at the end are pre-merger continental aircraft, and some of them have GE90's. The 777's with UA at the end of the registration are pre-merger United metal, and most are the ER variant.
4. The domestic layout for the non ER's is pretty much a high density layout, similar to some domestic Asian 777's.
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Re: United Airlines Boeing 777-200s

Thu Jun 13, 2019 2:38 am

AlnessW wrote:
I'm looking for some information on United's current fleet of 777-200s, and please bear with me as I don't fully understand all of the differences/terminology...
For starters, what's the difference between a 772 and a 772ER, other than that the letters stand for Extended Range?

UA has this useful tool, but it's missing some info - like which ones are domestic and which are international? Looks like First and Business Class are now called "Polaris" and with different seats (lie-flats?), for whatever reason...
https://www.united.com/web/en-US/conten ... fault.aspx

Going off the above list, these are my "educated guesses"...
Version 1 - International with 1st Class and seatback IFE.
Version 2 - International, sans 1st Class, Business only with seatback IFE.
Version 3 and 4 - Domestic, and these appear to be almost identical! (Other than and extra lav and row of seats??) What's the difference, exactly? No seatback IFE in these.
Version 5 - Domestic, but some sort of different configuration and with seatback IFE ?

What about registration numbers for each of these - does such a listing exist of which versions have what registration numbers, and how many of each?
Information on the above for 747-400s might be nice as well - info on 767-300s seems much more cut and dry on UA's site...just domestic and international!?


UA no longer offers first class on international flights so those seats are sold as Polaris Business class along with the main business class cabin. Polaris is simply the marketing name for UAs international business class so no matter which seat you have its still marketed as Polaris.

Polaris Seats: UAs newest business product with all aisle access.
B/E Diamond: pre merger CO lie flat business class seats that were also retrofitted on some UA aircraft (763 and 752s)
IPTE: pre merger UAs lie flat first and business class seats.

Version 1 777-200ERs (PW powered pre merger United aircraft) (10 aircraft)
These aircraft are in the process of being refitted with new seats in all cabins and will end up in the version 5 configuration. These aircraft have the older IPTE First and Business class seats up front and nose to tail AVOD....long haul international.

Version 2 777-200ER (GE powered pre merger Continental aircraft) (17 aircraft)
These aircraft are in the process of being refitted with new seats in all cabins and will end up in the version 5 configuration. These aircraft have the older B/E Diamond Business class seats up front and nose to tail AVOD.....long haul international.

Version 3 and Version 4 777-200 (PW powered pre merger United aircraft) (19 aircraft)
This is the high density domestic configuration....the difference is simply where the lavatories are....as the seating capacity is the same UA didn't bother moving the lavs in the back when they reconfigured these aircraft out of their previous configuration. The old IPTE seats up front have AVOD but Y just has streaming video.

Version 5 777-200ER (a mix of PW and GE powered UA and CO aircraft) (25 aircraft in service with 3 currently in the shop getting Polaris)
These aircraft are former version 1 and version 2 aircraft that have been retrofitted with the new Polaris business class seat, premium plus and new seats in Y as well. Nose to tail AVOD and are used on long haul international flights.
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Re: United Airlines Boeing 777-200s

Thu Jun 13, 2019 4:29 am

MO11 wrote:
Check this out https://sites.google.com/site/unitedfleetsite/home, and most of your questions should be answered.

GREAT lead and useful site - thank you for posting that! :) Indeed, that answers a lot of my questions - meanwhile...

rjmf22 wrote:
I can answer some of these:
1. United uses most, if not all of the "ER" variants of the 777's on international routes due to their significant range increase in comparison with a regular 772.
2. United uses most of the non "ER" variants, the regular 772's, on domestic routes with a lot of frequency, which basically means all of their hub to hub service, as well as Hawaii. For example, if you look at their website, they have a few daily 772's scheduled from EWR-SFO, IAH-ORD, and to and from Hawaii.

This agrees with my research.

rjmf22 wrote:
3. In terms of registration and engine types, registrations without the "UA" at the end are pre-merger continental aircraft, and some of them have GE90's. The 777's with UA at the end of the registration are pre-merger United metal, and most are the ER variant.

Not ALL are though - seems like they still have many "UA registrations" that are domestic, non-ER, and true United metal.

rjmf22 wrote:
4. The domestic layout for the non ER's is pretty much a high density layout, similar to some domestic Asian 777's.

And was that seat layout in Economy always 3-4-3, or has it ever been 3-3-3?

United1 wrote:
UA no longer offers first class on international flights so those seats are sold as Polaris Business class along with the main business class cabin. Polaris is simply the marketing name for UAs international business class so no matter which seat you have its still marketed as Polaris.

Polaris Seats: UAs newest business product with all aisle access.
B/E Diamond: pre merger CO lie flat business class seats that were also retrofitted on some UA aircraft (763 and 752s)
IPTE: pre merger UAs lie flat first and business class seats.

Thank you, United1! So, first off - what happened to Int'l 1st Class? Appreciate the clarifications on seat types, as well...makes much more sense now.

United1 wrote:
Version 1 777-200ERs (PW powered pre merger United aircraft) (10 aircraft)
Version 2 777-200ER (GE powered pre merger Continental aircraft) (17 aircraft)

If I understand correctly - all international, Version 1 is UA metal/PW power, Version 2 is CO metal/GE power each with their own pre-merger 1st Class product (?) and AVOD throughout - BUT are currently being retrofitted to become the latest Version 5. Thus, eventually phasing out ALL of Versions 1/2?

United1 wrote:
Version 3 and Version 4 777-200 (PW powered pre merger United aircraft) (19 aircraft)

So, what WAS their previous configuration exactly? Per my inquiry above, was 3-3-3 seating changed to the current 3-4-3 (or something else)? Indeed, the only difference I spot is location of the aft lavs - do you simply mean that UA ONLY moved them on certain re-configurations...therefore resulting in another version with unchanged lavs? Also, did these ever have overhead CRT monitors before streaming IFE? What about in-flight audio?

United1 wrote:
Version 5 777-200ER (a mix of PW and GE powered UA and CO aircraft) (25 aircraft in service with 3 currently in the shop getting Polaris)

And now, the result of re-configuring Versions 1 and 2...also with adding more seats into Economy, it would appear.
 
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Re: United Airlines Boeing 777-200s

Thu Jun 13, 2019 5:08 am

United went from 3 class (pmUA) down to two class. The original “Global First” was a handfull of seats at the front with all aisle access” When they made the move to “Polaris” they switched to newer, all aisle access seats that now are both first and business (eg a two class layout). A wrinkle is that some aircraft now have a separate section that is a lot like domestic narrowbody first class that they are marketing as premium economy.

You are correct in that the 777s used to be 9 abreast in coach and are now 10 abreast, which is borderline insufferable.

I saw you mentioned 747-400’s: those have left the fleet and sadly United no longer flies the type.
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Re: United Airlines Boeing 777-200s

Thu Jun 13, 2019 7:19 am

Georgetown wrote:
United went from 3 class (pmUA) down to two class. The original “Global First” was a handfull of seats at the front with all aisle access” When they made the move to “Polaris” they switched to newer, all aisle access seats that now are both first and business (eg a two class layout). A wrinkle is that some aircraft now have a separate section that is a lot like domestic narrowbody first class that they are marketing as premium economy.

Wow, interesting - I guess they weren't selling enough First Class seats to make it worthwhile, or are otherwise just trying to simplify things with 2 x classes? Judging by seatmaps, I'm not completely sure what you mean by a "separate section that is a lot like domestic narrowbody 1st Class"...like seats in a separate former-1st Class section being replaced by Polaris Business?

Georgetown wrote:
You are correct in that the 777s used to be 9 abreast in coach and are now 10 abreast, which is borderline insufferable.

"Borderline insufferable" is a strong adjective, albeit pretty accurate... I flew in a Version 3 (I think) across country last year, and by definition it felt like a "high capacity" aircraft as opposed to a "long range" aircraft. Seats were pretty tight, limited cabin service, too many bags onboard, and so on.

Come to think of it - was the 9-abreast 3-3-3 or 2-5-2 for domestic/international?

Georgetown wrote:
I saw you mentioned 747-400’s: those have left the fleet and sadly United no longer flies the type.

Yes, indeed. :( I saw photos on here of the "Farewell Queen of the Skies" flight. More specifically, back when 744s WERE in service were they in multiple configurations as well? Domestic vs. international?
 
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Re: United Airlines Boeing 777-200s

Thu Jun 13, 2019 10:43 am

AlnessW wrote:
Come to think of it - was the 9-abreast 3-3-3 or 2-5-2 for domestic/international?


UA 777-222ERs used to have the glorious 2-5-2 in economy (glorious unless you were in the middle of the 5 anyway).
 
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Re: United Airlines Boeing 777-200s

Thu Jun 13, 2019 10:58 am

AlnessW wrote:
MO11 wrote:
Check this out https://sites.google.com/site/unitedfleetsite/home, and most of your questions should be answered.

GREAT lead and useful site - thank you for posting that! :) Indeed, that answers a lot of my questions - meanwhile...

rjmf22 wrote:
I can answer some of these:
1. United uses most, if not all of the "ER" variants of the 777's on international routes due to their significant range increase in comparison with a regular 772.
2. United uses most of the non "ER" variants, the regular 772's, on domestic routes with a lot of frequency, which basically means all of their hub to hub service, as well as Hawaii. For example, if you look at their website, they have a few daily 772's scheduled from EWR-SFO, IAH-ORD, and to and from Hawaii.

This agrees with my research.

rjmf22 wrote:
3. In terms of registration and engine types, registrations without the "UA" at the end are pre-merger continental aircraft, and some of them have GE90's. The 777's with UA at the end of the registration are pre-merger United metal, and most are the ER variant.

Not ALL are though - seems like they still have many "UA registrations" that are domestic, non-ER, and true United metal.

rjmf22 wrote:
4. The domestic layout for the non ER's is pretty much a high density layout, similar to some domestic Asian 777's.

And was that seat layout in Economy always 3-4-3, or has it ever been 3-3-3?

United1 wrote:
UA no longer offers first class on international flights so those seats are sold as Polaris Business class along with the main business class cabin. Polaris is simply the marketing name for UAs international business class so no matter which seat you have its still marketed as Polaris.

Polaris Seats: UAs newest business product with all aisle access.
B/E Diamond: pre merger CO lie flat business class seats that were also retrofitted on some UA aircraft (763 and 752s)
IPTE: pre merger UAs lie flat first and business class seats.

Thank you, United1! So, first off - what happened to Int'l 1st Class? Appreciate the clarifications on seat types, as well...makes much more sense now.

United1 wrote:
Version 1 777-200ERs (PW powered pre merger United aircraft) (10 aircraft)
Version 2 777-200ER (GE powered pre merger Continental aircraft) (17 aircraft)

If I understand correctly - all international, Version 1 is UA metal/PW power, Version 2 is CO metal/GE power each with their own pre-merger 1st Class product (?) and AVOD throughout - BUT are currently being retrofitted to become the latest Version 5. Thus, eventually phasing out ALL of Versions 1/2?

United1 wrote:
Version 3 and Version 4 777-200 (PW powered pre merger United aircraft) (19 aircraft)

So, what WAS their previous configuration exactly? Per my inquiry above, was 3-3-3 seating changed to the current 3-4-3 (or something else)? Indeed, the only difference I spot is location of the aft lavs - do you simply mean that UA ONLY moved them on certain re-configurations...therefore resulting in another version with unchanged lavs? Also, did these ever have overhead CRT monitors before streaming IFE? What about in-flight audio?

United1 wrote:
Version 5 777-200ER (a mix of PW and GE powered UA and CO aircraft) (25 aircraft in service with 3 currently in the shop getting Polaris)

And now, the result of re-configuring Versions 1 and 2...also with adding more seats into Economy, it would appear.


All ex UA 777s were 2-5-2 in Y. UA switched to 3-3-3 when UA updated to its newest international product that had AVOD in Y introduced several years before merger (version 1 discussed above). Ex CO 777s were always 3-3-3.

And yes, early UA 777s had CRT monitors, and versions 1 and 2 of the current fleet will eventually disappear as they all get converted to version 5.

Yes, indeed. :( I saw photos on here of the "Farewell Queen of the Skies" flight. More specifically, back when 744s WERE in service were they in multiple configurations as well? Domestic vs. international?

The 747s were, for most of the past 20 years or so, configured all the same except for when fleet was in middle of reconfigurations. There were no domestic 744 configurations. Domestic configured 763s did the bulk of domestic widebody flying (reconfigured into 2 class international planes with CO’s hard product after merger) followed by 772s primarily used for Hawaii.
 
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Re: United Airlines Boeing 777-200s

Thu Jun 13, 2019 12:39 pm

Regarding the 19 777-200s

13 of them were configured for international use and were flown across the Atlantic for years (first ever 777 service was on one of these aircraft) before being converted for domestic use. These aircraft always had AVOD nose to tail. There were at least 3 different generations of First and Business seats onboard over the years. Coach on these aircraft were in a 2-5-2 configuration before being converted to the current 3-4-3.

6 of them were ordered by UA in 2000 specifically for use between Hawaii and the mainland. These aircraft had overhead video and in seat audio. They had standard domestic first seats in a 2-2-2 configuration and 2-5-2 in coach to start off with. First was swapped out for old business class seats in a 2-3-2 setup for a few years before getting their current configuration.
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Re: United Airlines Boeing 777-200s

Thu Jun 13, 2019 12:50 pm

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Regarding the 19 777-200s

13 of them were configured for international use and were flown across the Atlantic for years (first ever 777 service was on one of these aircraft) before being converted for domestic use. These aircraft always had AVOD nose to tail. There were at least 3 different generations of First and Business seats onboard over the years. Coach on these aircraft were in a 2-5-2 configuration before being converted to the current 3-4-3.

Minor nitpick but they had PTVs nose to tail. They did not always have AVOD (in fact I think they might not have every gotten AVOD?).
 
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Re: United Airlines Boeing 777-200s

Thu Jun 13, 2019 12:57 pm

Not to nitpick further, but to the FAA there is no such thing as a 777-200ER - it's a Boeing marketing term. Per the FAA type cert, all 777-200s are -200s. Even the serial number plate on the individual aircraft state "777-222" or "777-224" as applicable for UA or CO built birds.
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Re: United Airlines Boeing 777-200s

Thu Jun 13, 2019 1:42 pm

Polot wrote:
United1 wrote:
Regarding the 19 777-200s

13 of them were configured for international use and were flown across the Atlantic for years (first ever 777 service was on one of these aircraft) before being converted for domestic use. These aircraft always had AVOD nose to tail. There were at least 3 different generations of First and Business seats onboard over the years. Coach on these aircraft were in a 2-5-2 configuration before being converted to the current 3-4-3.

Minor nitpick but they had PTVs nose to tail. They did not always have AVOD (in fact I think they might not have every gotten AVOD?).


Teach me to post so early in the morning :)

You are right they had nose to tail PTVs which were simply looped movies. First had a Hi 8 (? I think that was the format) player at every seat so those passengers got additional selections. Some of these aircraft had IPTE retrofitted before the merger and those aircraft had AVOD nose to tail as they replaced the Y class seats at that point.
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Re: United Airlines Boeing 777-200s

Thu Jun 13, 2019 1:46 pm

Can someone decode the abbreviations I see floating around here and in the United Fleet thread?

77A is domestic config??
77E????
77W is the 300 ER I think

I’m sure there are others but I can’t think of them now. I thought some of the letters denoted engine manufacturer?
 
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Re: United Airlines Boeing 777-200s

Thu Jun 13, 2019 1:50 pm

johnclipper wrote:
Not to nitpick further, but to the FAA there is no such thing as a 777-200ER - it's a Boeing marketing term. Per the FAA type cert, all 777-200s are -200s. Even the serial number plate on the individual aircraft state "777-222" or "777-224" as applicable for UA or CO built birds.


The FAA does not use the ER suffix but it's not just a marketing term used by Boeing. There are some substantial differences between the two types (engines, some structural and obviously amount of weight it is certified to carry ect.)
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Re: United Airlines Boeing 777-200s

Thu Jun 13, 2019 1:56 pm

sircygnus wrote:
Can someone decode the abbreviations I see floating around here and in the United Fleet thread?

77A is domestic config??
77E????
77W is the 300 ER I think

I’m sure there are others but I can’t think of them now. I thought some of the letters denoted engine manufacturer?


77A: not necessarily domestic, but these are nom-ER. The first of its kind; standard; letter A for first, standard.

77E: short for 777-200ER.

77W: not sure where the W came from, but yes it’s a 777-300ER. Non-ER 777-300s may be called 773As, so as not to confuse them with 77As (normally designated for the -200).
 
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Re: United Airlines Boeing 777-200s

Thu Jun 13, 2019 2:32 pm

I believe it's the 77A (domestic V3?) - where they cram 3-4-3 in coach, and 2-4-2 up front - is what they're flying to Hawaii. Not the most comfortable bird in the sky.
 
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Re: United Airlines Boeing 777-200s

Thu Jun 13, 2019 2:40 pm

United1 wrote:
johnclipper wrote:
Not to nitpick further, but to the FAA there is no such thing as a 777-200ER - it's a Boeing marketing term. Per the FAA type cert, all 777-200s are -200s. Even the serial number plate on the individual aircraft state "777-222" or "777-224" as applicable for UA or CO built birds.


The FAA does not use the ER suffix but it's not just a marketing term used by Boeing. There are some substantial differences between the two types (engines, some structural and obviously amount of weight it is certified to carry ect.)

Yes but its not a model. Its the 777-200 IGW which stands for “increased gross weight.” It used the structural load improvements made for the 777-300 and applied them to the 777-200.
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Re: United Airlines Boeing 777-200s

Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:03 pm

AlnessW wrote:
I'm not completely sure what you mean by a "separate section that is a lot like domestic narrowbody 1st Class"...like seats in a separate former-1st Class section being replaced by Polaris


It’s marketed as United Premium Plus. A quick
Google search will bring it up. It’s a cabin behind Polaris and in front of economy plus. The seats are just recliner chairs similar to the ones encountered on a320s, 737s, etc.
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