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apodino wrote:I saw the video. No excuse for how the managers there are behaving.
Boof02671 wrote:
N983AN wrote:so long as their leaders get to maintain their cushy gigs and the organization continues to draw dues.
Boof02671 wrote:Less planes flying more flights equals less ground time to accomplish maintenance.
Wacker1000 wrote:N983AN wrote:so long as their leaders get to maintain their cushy gigs and the organization continues to draw dues.
TWU is playing the same game. As long as they keep everyone divided, leaders get to keep their jobs and pay. Just keep feeding the BS, demand everything and refuse to budge on anything - they'll be good for at least another decade or two.Boof02671 wrote:Less planes flying more flights equals less ground time to accomplish maintenance.
And while working safe right?
Its just nice to see no one learned anything from the HP/US pilot saga of a decade ago. If you can't get your act together, the company will gladly pay less and not lose a minute of sleep.
Boof02671 wrote:I’m not militant. Im a realist. We lost so much in the two chapter 11s.
AA is making billions, Doug Parker “ We will never lose money again”. Yet they are asking us for concessions.
Doug made $19 million last year, they’ve spent $14 billion over the past several years on stock buybacks, yet the stock is in the tank and they haven’t paid down much debt.
You are on the outside looking on, you didn’t live what LUS and LAA have been through.
For example to put all the Association members on the better and lower cost insurance would cost AA $39 million a year. Yet they have spent $14 billion on buybacks.
Realist, not militant. We gave up plenty to save the company, time for returns.
N983AN wrote:Wacker1000 wrote:N983AN wrote:so long as their leaders get to maintain their cushy gigs and the organization continues to draw dues.
TWU is playing the same game. As long as they keep everyone divided, leaders get to keep their jobs and pay. Just keep feeding the BS, demand everything and refuse to budge on anything - they'll be good for at least another decade or two.Boof02671 wrote:Less planes flying more flights equals less ground time to accomplish maintenance.
And while working safe right?
Its just nice to see no one learned anything from the HP/US pilot saga of a decade ago. If you can't get your act together, the company will gladly pay less and not lose a minute of sleep.
Organized labor in the airline industry will be in the fetal position once changes to the RLA eliminate the closed shop requirement. The TWU is a Totally Worthless Union, the IAM is even worse, and an unelected, undemocratic, unaccountable concoction “TWU-IAM Association” devised to preserve dues and cushy officer positions takes the cake for the worst of all.
The IAM has been the master of concessionary agreements that benefit the Union through contracting out work that is later awarded to low wage entities they also represent like McGee (AS) and UGE (United).
The IAM imposed the mess of TWA (costly arbitration, bitterness, complicated vacation bidding) on nAAtives and expected full occupational seniority after their OWN union sold them out and waived successorship LPPs. Why was the TWU be expected to honor something to the detriment of nAAtives the IAM freely signed away for their long standing members at TWA?
Very few fleet and maintenance personnel at AA would electively pay dues or “agency fees” if it wasn’t compulsory. The unions know this and that’s why they’re terrified of right to work and other reforms that hold them accountable and empower workers.
airlineguy1234 wrote:Boof02671 wrote:I’m not militant. Im a realist. We lost so much in the two chapter 11s.
AA is making billions, Doug Parker “ We will never lose money again”. Yet they are asking us for concessions.
Doug made $19 million last year, they’ve spent $14 billion over the past several years on stock buybacks, yet the stock is in the tank and they haven’t paid down much debt.
You are on the outside looking on, you didn’t live what LUS and LAA have been through.
For example to put all the Association members on the better and lower cost insurance would cost AA $39 million a year. Yet they have spent $14 billion on buybacks.
Realist, not militant. We gave up plenty to save the company, time for returns.
All this crap going on reminds me of the problems at United during their merger. Delta handled their merger much better than the others did. They treat their employees better in the first place they don’t unionize.
N983AN wrote:The IAM relinquished the LPPs to protect their own financial interests and have the transaction consummated. Had they fought TWA may have gone belly up which would be better nAAtives and not all that different considering the plight of LLCers that followed. The IAM was okay fighting it to the last day at Eastern. Or TWA could have
They should have honored the process and stepped aside in 2013. LAA has more than 2/3 of the maintenance headcount, but the IAM is desperate as is their loser pension that is proceeding with reduced benefits.
Boof02671 wrote:Less planes flying more flights equals less ground time to accomplish maintenance.
Antarius wrote:Boof02671 wrote:Less planes flying more flights equals less ground time to accomplish maintenance.
Again, why would the court bother issuing a TRO if this is simply a function of natural causes?
Admit it, this was BS being masqueraded as valid and it's been called out.
N983AN wrote:Oh really? Both from formerly unorganized sCO UA employees at IAH and EWR:
https://www.nrtw.org/news/united-airlin ... -05232019/
https://www.mackinac.org/RLA
Boof02671 wrote:Antarius wrote:Boof02671 wrote:Less planes flying more flights equals less ground time to accomplish maintenance.
Again, why would the court bother issuing a TRO if this is simply a function of natural causes?
Admit it, this was BS being masqueraded as valid and it's been called out.
There was no hearing, The Association didn’t get a chance to argue the TRO. The company filed a motion and it was granted pending a hearing.
Boof02671 wrote:Because the members voted for him.
Antarius wrote:Boof02671 wrote:Antarius wrote:
Again, why would the court bother issuing a TRO if this is simply a function of natural causes?
Admit it, this was BS being masqueraded as valid and it's been called out.
There was no hearing, The Association didn’t get a chance to argue the TRO. The company filed a motion and it was granted pending a hearing.
You know that injunctions arent granted on any and all motions right?
Well, rhetorical question.....you dont get it at all. Put aside the propaganda hat and look at it with some nuance.
N983AN wrote:Boof02671 wrote:Because the members voted for him.
Just like how LUS IAM and LAA TWU “voted” for this association?
Boof02671 wrote:Antarius wrote:Boof02671 wrote:There was no hearing, The Association didn’t get a chance to argue the TRO. The company filed a motion and it was granted pending a hearing.
You know that injunctions arent granted on any and all motions right?
Well, rhetorical question.....you dont get it at all. Put aside the propaganda hat and look at it with some nuance.
It wasn’t an injunction, it was a Temporary Restraining Order. An injunction requires a hearing.
Antarius wrote:Boof02671 wrote:Antarius wrote:
You know that injunctions arent granted on any and all motions right?
Well, rhetorical question.....you dont get it at all. Put aside the propaganda hat and look at it with some nuance.
It wasn’t an injunction, it was a Temporary Restraining Order. An injunction requires a hearing.
Point stands. Courts wouldnt issue a TRO on something ridiculous and clearly merit free.
Antarius wrote:Boof02671 wrote:Antarius wrote:
You know that injunctions arent granted on any and all motions right?
Well, rhetorical question.....you dont get it at all. Put aside the propaganda hat and look at it with some nuance.
It wasn’t an injunction, it was a Temporary Restraining Order. An injunction requires a hearing.
Point stands. Courts wouldnt issue a TRO on something ridiculous and clearly merit free.
Boof02671 wrote:N983AN wrote:Boof02671 wrote:Because the members voted for him.
Just like how LUS IAM and LAA TWU “voted” for this association?
Would you like a Kleenex?
NMB said no vote needed. And crying about accomplished nothing.
Q5: Will I have the opportunity to vote on whether or not I am represented by the Association?
A: Yes. Following the completion of the American – US Airways’ merger, the Associations will file representation applications with the National Mediation Board (NMB), a federal agency, which will culminate in three separate elections, one for each of the Mechanic & Related, Fleet Service and Stores classifications. You will vote in the election of the classification in which you work with others from both carriers.
N983AN wrote:Boof02671 wrote:N983AN wrote:
Just like how LUS IAM and LAA TWU “voted” for this association?
Would you like a Kleenex?
NMB said no vote needed. And crying about accomplished nothing.
Then why does this union association maintained website still indicate that a vote would be held? Didn’t union activists and officials indicate circa 2013-2014 a vote would be held? At a minimum they need to update the website:Q5: Will I have the opportunity to vote on whether or not I am represented by the Association?
A: Yes. Following the completion of the American – US Airways’ merger, the Associations will file representation applications with the National Mediation Board (NMB), a federal agency, which will culminate in three separate elections, one for each of the Mechanic & Related, Fleet Service and Stores classifications. You will vote in the election of the classification in which you work with others from both carriers.
http://www.twu-iam.org/twu-iam-association-qa/
Boof02671 wrote:Not true. It’s a rubber stamp, the Association wasn’t able to defend itself, there was no hearing. AA filed a six page motion.
Mediation then a hearing is ordered.
Boof02671 wrote:The TRO was granted ex parte.
braniff2hav wrote:I can tell you as a travel manager dealing with cancellations non-weather related over the last two days. I am done with American Airlines. They cannot recover from weather events such as the one at DFW yesterday and today and now DCA today. But then to have these mechanical today at DCA .. I am D.O.N.E. AA is a company that is quiet ill managed and absolutely has no interest in its customer.