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musman9853 wrote:as a muslim guy, i always can't wait for those random searches!
HBJZA wrote:musman9853 wrote:as a muslim guy, i always can't wait for those random searches!
What do you mean? As I understand muslim is not an ethnicity!
enilria wrote:I don’t see how this is possible technically, but the millimeter wave machine “can’t read black hairstyles”. What reading is there? Isn’t it just looking for metal or something? Is it identifying your organs? Why does it need to “read hairstyles”? This sounds very odd.
enilria wrote:I don’t see how this is possible technically, but the millimeter wave machine “can’t read black hairstyles”. What reading is there? Isn’t it just looking for metal or something? Is it identifying your organs? Why does it need to “read hairstyles”? This sounds very odd.
musman9853 wrote:as a muslim guy, i always can't wait for those random searches!
ME720 wrote:musman9853 wrote:as a muslim guy, i always can't wait for those random searches!
OH yes I can confirm from my own experiences. Racist to the bone, or metal. I have been 8 times to the US and every single time random check.. wish I had that luck with the lottery, I would have been a
Billionaire by now. Random my A_ _ .
ME720 wrote:musman9853 wrote:as a muslim guy, i always can't wait for those random searches!
OH yes I can confirm from my own experiences. Racist to the bone, or metal. I have been 8 times to the US and every single time random check.. wish I had that luck with the lottery, I would have been a
Billionaire by now. Random my A_ _ .
kordcj wrote:I have TSA precheck and I get flagged going thru the regular metal detectors for a “random” enhanced screening over 50% of the time. If I have a full on beard, it’s 100% of the time. I fly every week, and I’m convinced someone triggers that random screening alarm on the detectors.
danman132x wrote:As an xray tech, I can confirm these hairstyles, long thick dread like structures and nests on top of the head obscure the image quite a bit. If they cause artifacts on the image, I can guarantee these millimeter waves don't penetrate deep into the hair and stuff could easily be hidden inside. There are also numerous clips holding them in place most of the time.
danman132x wrote:As an xray tech, I can confirm these hairstyles, long thick dread like structures and nests on top of the head obscure the image quite a bit. If they cause artifacts on the image, I can guarantee these millimeter waves don't penetrate deep into the hair and stuff could easily be hidden inside. There are also numerous clips holding them in place most of the time.
Adipocere wrote:If mmwave cant penetrate dense hair or clothing why not just give the monitoring agent a targeted gun shooting a slightly longer wavelength radiation to get through the barrier? Nothing can be said and will be quieter experience for the traveler too.
lightsaber wrote:ME720 wrote:musman9853 wrote:as a muslim guy, i always can't wait for those random searches!
OH yes I can confirm from my own experiences. Racist to the bone, or metal. I have been 8 times to the US and every single time random check.. wish I had that luck with the lottery, I would have been a
Billionaire by now. Random my A_ _ .
I get pulled aside for many random checks too. A very disproportionate share so the statistics match. Meh.. It doesn't take much time. My dog likes the extra attention.
The only time I saw the TSA discriminate was their random check of a female college volleyball team. But hey, I wanted to spend time with those ladies!
Lightsaber
tsbooker wrote:As statistics show, if a bad person tries enough times, they will manage to get whatever they want past TSA. It is just a fact, and maybe not to be entirely blamed on TSA, but no security system is 100% effective.
Jetty wrote:kordcj wrote:I have TSA precheck and I get flagged going thru the regular metal detectors for a “random” enhanced screening over 50% of the time. If I have a full on beard, it’s 100% of the time. I fly every week, and I’m convinced someone triggers that random screening alarm on the detectors.
Makes complete sense: your full beard allows the hiding of objects thus more reason for an enhanced screaning just as with the black woman in this article.
stl07 wrote:Stop trying to rationalize everything. Both you and I know why he is getting a "random check"
airbazar wrote:ME720 wrote:musman9853 wrote:as a muslim guy, i always can't wait for those random searches!
OH yes I can confirm from my own experiences. Racist to the bone, or metal. I have been 8 times to the US and every single time random check.. wish I had that luck with the lottery, I would have been a
Billionaire by now. Random my A_ _ .
It's not random because it's not supposed to be (despite what they may say). "Random" is a waste of money and everyone knows it. That's true whether we're securing an airport or a computer. But if you think you're being singled out because of your religion I think you're wrong. I'd guess your country of origin or name might have a lot more to do with it.
WayexTDI wrote:The millimetric wave scanner detect drastic changes in density; I've been flagged a few times for wearing a backpack over a cotton shirt, the back of my shirt was full of sweat and showed weird on the scanner.
As others have said, certain hairstyles (especially with fake or added hair, or with hair tightly braided together) will send the same signal. Live with it, change hair style or don't take the plane; it's that simple. And, honestly, "living with it" is not that complicated...
Jouhou wrote:WayexTDI wrote:The millimetric wave scanner detect drastic changes in density; I've been flagged a few times for wearing a backpack over a cotton shirt, the back of my shirt was full of sweat and showed weird on the scanner.
As others have said, certain hairstyles (especially with fake or added hair, or with hair tightly braided together) will send the same signal. Live with it, change hair style or don't take the plane; it's that simple. And, honestly, "living with it" is not that complicated...
I dunno, airport security and increasing discomfort on planes has made me stop flying unless I absolutely have to.
Many of us are not "living with it". When has this enhanced security actually prevented something bad from happening? Never?
planecane wrote:Yes, the TSA is a joke and is mostly putting on security theatre but to try and make scanner alarms into a racist thing is beyond ridiculous. I'm a white male and have had countless pat downs due to false alarms. I don't "feel singled out" because of it. I just laugh at how it happens so often.
Adipocere wrote:If mmwave cant penetrate dense hair or clothing why not just give the monitoring agent a targeted gun shooting a slightly longer wavelength radiation to get through the barrier? Nothing can be said and will be quieter experience for the traveler too.
Boomj wrote:Millimeter wave technology uses sound waves to detect anomalies, not radiation.
kitplane01 wrote:planecane wrote:Yes, the TSA is a joke and is mostly putting on security theatre but to try and make scanner alarms into a racist thing is beyond ridiculous. I'm a white male and have had countless pat downs due to false alarms. I don't "feel singled out" because of it. I just laugh at how it happens so often.
So you've been checked. But if other people are getting checked more because of their race .... that's at least an interesting thing to enquirer about. But the "white men also get sometimes checked" is not a logical argument.
And I don't see how you can know if it happens to you more or less frequently that other groups unless you've spent a serious amount of time with a clip board gathering statistical data, and put that data through analysis to compute likelihoods and error bars.
planecane wrote:kitplane01 wrote:planecane wrote:Yes, the TSA is a joke and is mostly putting on security theatre but to try and make scanner alarms into a racist thing is beyond ridiculous. I'm a white male and have had countless pat downs due to false alarms. I don't "feel singled out" because of it. I just laugh at how it happens so often.
So you've been checked. But if other people are getting checked more because of their race .... that's at least an interesting thing to enquirer about. But the "white men also get sometimes checked" is not a logical argument.
And I don't see how you can know if it happens to you more or less frequently that other groups unless you've spent a serious amount of time with a clip board gathering statistical data, and put that data through analysis to compute likelihoods and error bars.
Before I had precheck I would get a pat down after a body scan about half the time. I never had anything on me or in my pocket.
Last year, with precheck, I went through a period where I got the random beep 75% of the time over 9 or 10 round trips.
I can say without taking data that I've personally been screened more than average.
planecane wrote:Yes, the TSA is a joke and is mostly putting on security theatre but to try and make scanner alarms into a racist thing is beyond ridiculous. I'm a white male and have had countless pat downs due to false alarms. I don't "feel singled out" because of it. I just laugh at how it happens so often.
lightsaber wrote:ME720 wrote:musman9853 wrote:as a muslim guy, i always can't wait for those random searches!
OH yes I can confirm from my own experiences. Racist to the bone, or metal. I have been 8 times to the US and every single time random check.. wish I had that luck with the lottery, I would have been a
Billionaire by now. Random my A_ _ .
I get pulled aside for many random checks too. A very disproportionate share so the statistics match. Meh.. It doesn't take much time. My dog likes the extra attention.
The only time I saw the TSA discriminate was their random check of a female college volleyball team. But hey, I wanted to spend time with those ladies!
Lightsaber
robsaw wrote:planecane wrote:Yes, the TSA is a joke and is mostly putting on security theatre but to try and make scanner alarms into a racist thing is beyond ridiculous. I'm a white male and have had countless pat downs due to false alarms. I don't "feel singled out" because of it. I just laugh at how it happens so often.
A black woman makes an observation that she is subject to enhanced screening at a rate that seems to be unreasonably frequent. Given no other extenuating factors, assuming a racist motivation isn't illogical even if it is based upon errors in assumption.
enilria wrote:The real irony is that I'm not aware of a single terrorist incident involving a black woman. Anybody know of any? I'm talking terrorism, not arguing with agents/FAs over something.
Jetty wrote:enilria wrote:The real irony is that I'm not aware of a single terrorist incident involving a black woman. Anybody know of any? I'm talking terrorism, not arguing with agents/FAs over something.
The Black Liberation Army had several woman that were involved in terrorist incidents on US soil. Then there are black US woman that have joined The Islamic State. JoAnne Deborah Byron and Hoda Muthana i.e. If you’re looking for recent terrorists acting on US soil I don’t known any either, but that doesn’t surprise since their aren’t that many terrorist incidents in the US and woman in general are far less likely to be involved in any kind of extreme antisocial behavior.
enilria wrote:Jetty wrote:enilria wrote:The real irony is that I'm not aware of a single terrorist incident involving a black woman. Anybody know of any? I'm talking terrorism, not arguing with agents/FAs over something.
The Black Liberation Army had several woman that were involved in terrorist incidents on US soil. Then there are black US woman that have joined The Islamic State. JoAnne Deborah Byron and Hoda Muthana i.e. If you’re looking for recent terrorists acting on US soil I don’t known any either, but that doesn’t surprise since their aren’t that many terrorist incidents in the US and woman in general are far less likely to be involved in any kind of extreme antisocial behavior.
And probably none in aviation.
Pyrex wrote:I honestly cannot recall the last time when I flew and the TSA staff was not at least 50% African-American, so I have a hard time believing there world be any sort of institutional racism going on with this.