Ebmek wrote:cm642 wrote:Phoenix would have more demand for international flights if it weren't for a few factors the biggest being Arizona's education system. Arizona is currently ranked as one of the worst performing states (ranked 48th, practically dead last) when it comes to education. Employers and companies take note of things like this when deciding to set up shop in a particular region. While AZ has a competitive business friendly environment and lower cost of living, it's lack of an educated workforce hurt's it from attracting companies from overseas. Companies who create "high paying jobs" that help drive and create that international demand. Hence why companies from overseas tend to migrate towards states like Colorado for example, who has a better education system and better educated workforce.
One of the biggest factors route planners look at especially when it comes to international flights is premium traffic (aka "First" and "Business" passengers), that's where the bulk of the flights revenue comes from along with cargo. Airlines don't want to create the demand, they want it already in place. Until AZ improves it's education system, it will continue to be a flyover state for many foreign and domestic companies looking to set up shop in a place where they and their employees have access to better schools and an educated workforce. I'm saying this as an Arizonan who want's to see their state do better, but our education system kills us!
"Sorry, Phoenix. This is How Airlines Choose International Routes."
What is keeping Phoenix from landing more international flights
As an Arizonan myself, I find this hard to believe. Employers don't care about K-12 education statistics. In the long run, that does not matter. All they care about are the tax incentives for setting up shop wherever they decide to go. There are so many businesses setting up shop in Arizona, it's mind boggling. Have you visited Tempe Town Lake recently? The corporate area near Chandler Fashion? All the way on the East side by Mesa Gateway? The area around Glendale arena? Phoenix is absolutely booming and Tucson is on the up and up as well because all the Californians are moving in. You have 3 huge Universities in the state with a crazy amount of foreign students. The Asian population of Arizona is growing and they fly back home in droves to visit every year (When Hawaiian still flew to MNL from HNL, plenty of Filipinos flew out of PHX and connected through HNL to get home). The market is there. AA or a OW partner would make money on a TPAC route out of PHX. The ONLY factor is LAX being so close by and that being a known gateway to Asia with plenty of connections.
I'm talking about education and it tying into our lack of an educated workforce which helps us to attract high paying jobs (that includes business travelers). Yes we have great universities and community colleges but because our K-12 lacks and the drop out rate is high in AZ, that's less people attending college which means less people with college degrees and smaller educated workforce. If we focused on fixing that and getting more kids into college, that would help boost our educated workforce to lure more companies and HIGH PAYING JOBS.
Plus you really can't use the whole LAX is too close scenario anymore, especially when both SAN and LAS have service to Asia. From an AA standpoint it makes sense since LAX is their trans-pacific gateway and yes I drive around the valley a lot and see all the development but as another poster had mentioned when comparing Atlanta and Phoenix there is a big difference. Atlanta has a larger educated workforce than Phoenix.
n2dru wrote:Not sure what Atlanta has to do with this. But Atlanta has a highly educated workforce and population. Some top ranked universities and a local population that travels frequently. That's why companies like The Home Depot, Coca Cola and UPS are headquartered here and companies like Mercedes Benz and Porsche moved their US headquarters here. Can Phoenix say the same?
What lures companies other than tax incentives is a talent pool to hire from. Premium traffic (aka business travelers) is a big driver for international flights which is why I linked both articles for reference. I'm not saying PHX can't support it, I do believe we can support PHX-CDG, FRA, LHR and NRT, but really nothing much beyond that. At the end of the day we are still seen as a leisure destination as opposed to a business one.