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Qantas FA sacked for drinking alcohol inflight

Wed Apr 03, 2019 10:10 pm

So many questions.
Why on earth would someone in such a privileged and vital position do such a stupid thing, unless she had an addiction?
But then, to go and lie in the investigation and then take to arbitration?!
Silly person.

https://www.theage.com.au/business/work ... ght-201904
 
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Revelation
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Re: Qantas FA sacked for drinking alcohol inflight

Wed Apr 03, 2019 11:50 pm

Link failed, google led me to: https://www.smh.com.au/business/workpla ... 51afp.html

The Fair Work Commission dismissed her claim that she was unfairly sacked in October last year after she admitted to drinking a quarter of a one-litre bottle of vodka mixed with soda water on the flight in July last year.
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The commission heard she drank the vodka quickly to avoid detection while on her own in the front galley.

In US measure, that's belting down 8.5 shots of vodka mixed with soda water "quickly".

That is quite a big time issue for pretty much any work place, never mind someone in charge of other's safety.
 
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Re: Qantas FA sacked for drinking alcohol inflight

Thu Apr 04, 2019 12:01 am

Guilty of theft and drinking on the job, a career of 31 years of good service ruined as she'll never get employment by another airline.
 
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Re: Qantas FA sacked for drinking alcohol inflight

Thu Apr 04, 2019 12:46 am

Afraid this isn't news...flight crew get fired for drinking on the job probably every day in the airline industry...as well as every other place of work. Same with drug use...or theft...or sick leave abuse. People throw away a great career for making stupid decisions.
 
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Re: Qantas FA sacked for drinking alcohol inflight

Thu Apr 04, 2019 1:22 am

Consuming that much on the job sounds like she has an issue. Maybe not the 1st time?
 
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Re: Qantas FA sacked for drinking alcohol inflight

Thu Apr 04, 2019 2:57 am

A better choice is to put them on leave and get them help for an addiction. But that means caring about your employees and corporations are people but have no feelings.
 
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Re: Qantas FA sacked for drinking alcohol inflight

Thu Apr 04, 2019 3:04 am

b747400erf wrote:
A better choice is to put them on leave and get them help for an addiction. But that means caring about your employees and corporations are people but have no feelings.


I believe in helping any employee who asks for help. But if you report to work drunk then that should be it. I have no sympathy at that point.
 
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Re: Qantas FA sacked for drinking alcohol inflight

Thu Apr 04, 2019 3:10 am

b747400erf wrote:
A better choice is to put them on leave and get them help for an addiction. But that means caring about your employees and corporations are people but have no feelings.

At my airline if you ask for help they will put you through any rehab needed and pay for it. If you are under the influence and risk the safety of our guests onboard however, this isn’t tolerated.

There are plenty of employee wellbeing programs set up for the big Australian airlines. 31 years tenure is no excuse to risk the safety of others. By the sounds of it she has had all she can take and a forced career change is probably a blessing in disguise for her.
 
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Re: Qantas FA sacked for drinking alcohol inflight

Thu Apr 04, 2019 3:49 am

hiflyeras wrote:
Afraid this isn't news...flight crew get fired for drinking on the job probably every day in the airline industry...as well as every other place of work.



I haven’t heard of that.

727200 wrote:
Consuming that much on the job sounds like she has an issue. Maybe not the 1st time?


Agreed, and the quantity is also a worry.

VHOGU wrote:
There are plenty of employee wellbeing programs set up for the big Australian airlines. 31 years tenure is no excuse to risk the safety of others. By the sounds of it she has had all she can take and a forced career change is probably a blessing in disguise for her.


I am not sure if they actually wanted to return to work. If terminated often retirement benefits are not granted. I have seen many people fight a decision like this, not to get their job back, rather so they can resign rather than be terminated.

Where I work people who are terminated are normally offered two letters, one to resign keeping benefits with a release from all future legal action, or termination with the right to legal appeal.
 
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Re: Qantas FA sacked for drinking alcohol inflight

Thu Apr 04, 2019 5:23 am

b747400erf wrote:
A better choice is to put them on leave and get them help for an addiction. But that means caring about your employees and corporations are people but have no feelings.


My company will usually do that, although I’m not sure of all the details. You get one chance to get some help and fix the problem. Then likely you’ll get your job back. Obviously if the problem doesn’t resolve, then they’ll have to terminate the employee.
 
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Re: Qantas FA sacked for drinking alcohol inflight

Thu Apr 04, 2019 5:28 am

As always with the media, the full story hasn’t been reported. If it’s the instance I’ve heard of- it wasn’t the first time and the company had provided two rounds of support already. She obviously has a problem, and I wish her all the best in finding the help she needs, and working through this challenging phase of her life.
 
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Re: Qantas FA sacked for drinking alcohol inflight

Thu Apr 04, 2019 7:54 am

Drinking on the job will almost always get you canned...no matter the job. Not sure why the sympathy here per se, but to me the line is pretty clear. Do what you want on your own time, but don't drink while at your place of employment...whether its a desk or a galley at 38k feet.
 
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Re: Qantas FA sacked for drinking alcohol inflight

Thu Apr 04, 2019 11:30 am

b747400erf wrote:
A better choice is to put them on leave and get them help for an addiction. But that means caring about your employees and corporations are people but have no feelings.


So the individual is not an adult and not responsible for their actions despite knowing the work rules? Smh

If she'd asked for help, she would have gotten it. It's a cop out to blame the airline for staff choosing to be irresponsible.
 
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Re: Qantas FA sacked for drinking alcohol inflight

Thu Apr 04, 2019 1:19 pm

TTailedTiger wrote:
Such a double standard. Look at the recent AA and DL drunk pilots showing up for work threads. All kinds of sympathy in those threads and people saying they shouldn't be fired.


Exactly.
 
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Re: Qantas FA sacked for drinking alcohol inflight

Thu Apr 04, 2019 1:44 pm

I'm going to assume the answer is yes, but I'm assuming FA's are allowed to have non-alcoholic beverages?
 
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Re: Qantas FA sacked for drinking alcohol inflight

Thu Apr 04, 2019 1:49 pm

Super80Fan wrote:
I'm going to assume the answer is yes, but I'm assuming FA's are allowed to have non-alcoholic beverages?


I can't speak for ULCC, but yes it's generally not a problem for FAs to drink soft drinks, coffee/tea and water from the trolleys.
 
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Re: Qantas FA sacked for drinking alcohol inflight

Fri Apr 05, 2019 2:36 am

airportugal310 wrote:
Drinking on the job will almost always get you canned...no matter the job. Not sure why the sympathy here per se, but to me the line is pretty clear. Do what you want on your own time, but don't drink while at your place of employment...whether its a desk or a galley at 38k feet.

Have you ever met anybody in sales? That job basically requires it....
 
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Re: Qantas FA sacked for drinking alcohol inflight

Fri Apr 05, 2019 3:40 am

The one time I drank vodka like that I had just crossed path with my ex-girlfriend at a high school party. On an empty stomach. After that it's a black hole in my memory, although pretty much all the school knew what I did next, except myself.

I work at a desk nowadays and alcohol is no issue, the new CEO has banned it (until then it was available at the company restaurant, wine and beer...) but it's more to show a good example to workers who are not at a desk than anything else.

If your job is about safety, that's another story of course.
 
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Re: Qantas FA sacked for drinking alcohol inflight

Fri Apr 05, 2019 3:44 am

Revelation wrote:
Link failed, google led me to: https://www.smh.com.au/business/workpla ... 51afp.html

The Fair Work Commission dismissed her claim that she was unfairly sacked in October last year after she admitted to drinking a quarter of a one-litre bottle of vodka mixed with soda water on the flight in July last year.
...
The commission heard she drank the vodka quickly to avoid detection while on her own in the front galley.

In US measure, that's belting down 8.5 shots of vodka mixed with soda water "quickly".

That is quite a big time issue for pretty much any work place, never mind someone in charge of other's safety.


It's more like 5.5 shots. For an accomplished drinker, that may not have effected her much, depending how quickly she drank it.
 
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Re: Qantas FA sacked for drinking alcohol inflight

Fri Apr 05, 2019 5:07 am

LH707330 wrote:
airportugal310 wrote:
Drinking on the job will almost always get you canned...no matter the job. Not sure why the sympathy here per se, but to me the line is pretty clear. Do what you want on your own time, but don't drink while at your place of employment...whether its a desk or a galley at 38k feet.

Have you ever met anybody in sales? That job basically requires it....


I work in sales in the industry. It is uncommon to have a beer or cocktail at lunch with a client, then head back to the office. Conversely, I have been to many a staff meeting that concludes with drinks at some bar or another.

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Re: Qantas FA sacked for drinking alcohol inflight

Fri Apr 05, 2019 7:39 am

77H wrote:
LH707330 wrote:
airportugal310 wrote:
Drinking on the job will almost always get you canned...no matter the job. Not sure why the sympathy here per se, but to me the line is pretty clear. Do what you want on your own time, but don't drink while at your place of employment...whether its a desk or a galley at 38k feet.

Have you ever met anybody in sales? That job basically requires it....


I work in sales in the industry. It is uncommon to have a beer or cocktail at lunch with a client, then head back to the office. Conversely, I have been to many a staff meeting that concludes with drinks at some bar or another.

77H


Correct. Look at my signature...same as you. Drinking and going back to work doesn't happen that I see unless its some convention like MRO etc...and that's a different story altogether.
 
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Re: Qantas FA sacked for drinking alcohol inflight

Fri Apr 05, 2019 7:58 am

airportugal310 wrote:
77H wrote:
LH707330 wrote:
Have you ever met anybody in sales? That job basically requires it....


I work in sales in the industry. It is uncommon to have a beer or cocktail at lunch with a client, then head back to the office. Conversely, I have been to many a staff meeting that concludes with drinks at some bar or another.

77H


Correct. Look at my signature...same as you. Drinking and going back to work doesn't happen that I see unless its some convention like MRO etc...and that's a different story altogether.


To be clear, there is a big difference between the drinking I’m describing and what this FA did and to your point, drinking to excess during business would not be tolerated but if you’re closing a deal over lunch with a client and they want to have a beer to celebrate, it behooves the sales rep to oblige. And I doubt any sales rep in history has had a beer with a client then went directly home because going back to work would be inappropriate.

77H
 
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Re: Qantas FA sacked for drinking alcohol inflight

Fri Apr 05, 2019 6:32 pm

77H wrote:
airportugal310 wrote:
77H wrote:

I work in sales in the industry. It is uncommon to have a beer or cocktail at lunch with a client, then head back to the office. Conversely, I have been to many a staff meeting that concludes with drinks at some bar or another.

77H


Correct. Look at my signature...same as you. Drinking and going back to work doesn't happen that I see unless its some convention like MRO etc...and that's a different story altogether.


To be clear, there is a big difference between the drinking I’m describing and what this FA did and to your point, drinking to excess during business would not be tolerated but if you’re closing a deal over lunch with a client and they want to have a beer to celebrate, it behooves the sales rep to oblige. And I doubt any sales rep in history has had a beer with a client then went directly home because going back to work would be inappropriate.

77H

Right, what you two are describing seems more in line with what I'd expect to see in aero sales, I was mostly just having fun with the assertion of "Drinking on the job will almost always get you canned...no matter the job." That said, I've seen sales reps in other industries take their customers to casinos and shows and get pretty rowdy, but I think that's becoming less common these days.
 
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Re: Qantas FA sacked for drinking alcohol inflight

Fri Apr 05, 2019 6:37 pm

That's not just sipping a 50ml bottle to get through a flight. That's a frat party.

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