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Australian Aviation Thread - April 2019

Sun Mar 31, 2019 10:39 am

Welcome to the Australian Aviation Thread for April 2019. Please continue to add your comments below.

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2019

Sun Mar 31, 2019 1:19 pm

MH126/127 KUL-PER-KUL has been upgraded to a A332 with the Northern summer changes with effect from today (31/3/2019), 9M-MTY has the honours of operating the first service.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2019

Sun Mar 31, 2019 2:11 pm

Jetstar launching MEL-LAE (Tasmania) 24/6 3 Weekly.
 
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Sun Mar 31, 2019 4:18 pm

MU begins using the A350 on PVG-SYD-PVG today, April 1.
 
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Sun Mar 31, 2019 7:10 pm

QF744ER wrote:
MH126/127 KUL-PER-KUL has been upgraded to a A332 with the Northern summer changes with effect from today (31/3/2019), 9M-MTY has the honours of operating the first service.


Loads were a bit disappointing though

Other changes include

Malindo redeye now mostly operated by 739 instead of 738
EK424/425 now discontinued
SQ213/226 now operated by 772 instead of 333, SQ223/214 333 replaces 772
SQ215/216 333 replaced 787-10 last night and 772 replaces 787-10 tonight

Hopefully if MK take delivery of the 339 soon we should see that later this month
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2019

Sun Mar 31, 2019 7:24 pm

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Jetstar launching MEL-LAE (Tasmania) 24/6 3 Weekly.


Sorry, I am a little confused.

LAE is the IATA code for Lae in Papua New Guinea.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2019

Sun Mar 31, 2019 7:35 pm

Gangurru wrote:
AirbusA322 wrote:
Jetstar launching MEL-LAE (Tasmania) 24/6 3 Weekly.


Sorry, I am a little confused.

LAE is the IATA code for Lae in Papua New Guinea.


I was scratching my head for a few minutes on that one too, but then I remembered what today's date was.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2019

Sun Mar 31, 2019 9:45 pm

https://www.jetstar.com/au/en/melbourne-laerton

JQ have an online link for the new Laerton service. Yeah no...

The best aviation joke of the year has to be BA’s Dusseldorf mix up.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2019

Sun Mar 31, 2019 10:52 pm

qf789 wrote:
QF744ER wrote:
MH126/127 KUL-PER-KUL has been upgraded to a A332 with the Northern summer changes with effect from today (31/3/2019), 9M-MTY has the honours of operating the first service.


Loads were a bit disappointing though

Other changes include

Malindo redeye now mostly operated by 739 instead of 738
EK424/425 now discontinued
SQ213/226 now operated by 772 instead of 333, SQ223/214 333 replaces 772
SQ215/216 333 replaced 787-10 last night and 772 replaces 787-10 tonight

Hopefully if MK take delivery of the 339 soon we should see that later this month


Malindo is Daily 737-900 on OD155/156
OD151/152 remains 737-800/900 mix
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2019

Sun Mar 31, 2019 11:25 pm

^^I simply don't understand the need for a pax to send via social media a tweet or whatever reporting a death on an ac flight. Can someone explain to me the point of it? I see it as an invasion of privacy, and maybe lack of respect.
 
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Sun Mar 31, 2019 11:42 pm

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Jetstar launching MEL-LAE (Tasmania) 24/6 3 Weekly.



April fools!!!
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2019

Sun Mar 31, 2019 11:45 pm

9V-SQN (regional 772) substituting for the 359R on SQ235/SQ256 this morning.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/9v-sqn
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2019

Mon Apr 01, 2019 12:57 am

BITRE international out for January 19

https://bitre.gov.au/publications/ongoi ... y_1901.pdf
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2019

Mon Apr 01, 2019 1:02 am

I heard rumours of Triple Status Credits for Qantas.
Was it just April fool or it is real?

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Mon Apr 01, 2019 1:47 am

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^^I simply don't understand the need for a pax to send via social media a tweet or whatever reporting a death on an ac flight. Can someone explain to me the point of it? I see it as an invasion of privacy, and maybe lack of respect.


Agreed, it’s very crass! Very much the way social media has reshaped peoples perspectives, all about the individual, and being at the centre of attention.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2019

Mon Apr 01, 2019 1:57 am

smi0006 wrote:
TN486T wrote:
^^I simply don't understand the need for a pax to send via social media a tweet or whatever reporting a death on an ac flight. Can someone explain to me the point of it? I see it as an invasion of privacy, and maybe lack of respect.


Agreed, it’s very crass! Very much the way social media has reshaped peoples perspectives, all about the individual, and being at the centre of attention.


Sharing something like this via social media is one thing I do not understand, but for a news outlet to pick this up and publish is absolutely ridiculous. As tragic as it is for the family and friends of the deceased as well as fellow travellers who witnessed this, what is newsworthy about an incident like this occurring probably dozens of times every day across the world?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2019

Mon Apr 01, 2019 3:17 am

Today also marks the first day of service of new domestic route Sydney - Bendigo, eliminating 3 hours of travel time and hundreds of dollars for travelling to Southern Cross and then change for V/Line.

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2019

Mon Apr 01, 2019 6:25 am

I don’t recall seeing it posted but I note LA805 operating overnight SCL-MEL now and midday ex MEL. As opposed to the daylight SCL-MEL leg and evening ex MEL.

SCL 0045 MEL 0530
MEL 1245 SCL 1200
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2019

Mon Apr 01, 2019 6:57 am

Is there anyway to find out the largest carrier in each airpoirt? Ie in MEL as an example to JQ carry more pax than QF?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2019

Mon Apr 01, 2019 7:09 am

qf789 wrote:
QF744ER wrote:
MH126/127 KUL-PER-KUL has been upgraded to a A332 with the Northern summer changes with effect from today (31/3/2019), 9M-MTY has the honours of operating the first service.


Loads were a bit disappointing though

Other changes include

Malindo redeye now mostly operated by 739 instead of 738
EK424/425 now discontinued
SQ213/226 now operated by 772 instead of 333, SQ223/214 333 replaces 772
SQ215/216 333 replaced 787-10 last night and 772 replaces 787-10 tonight

Hopefully if MK take delivery of the 339 soon we should see that later this month


Also GA PER-DPS now 738 instead of A333
CZ changed from A333 to A332
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2019

Mon Apr 01, 2019 7:48 am

According to twitter, https://twitter.com/i/status/1112429356184489985, Virgin Australia is reportedly introducing Virgin Australia fly foods, where it will work similar to UberEats or Deliveroo and allows customers to order food from interstate and have it delivered to your home via Virgin Australia aircraft.
I think this is a very good idea, and I hope they can extend this service to be available on VA 68 and VA 82 so that high quality food from Hong Kong can be delivered to my door every morning.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2019

Mon Apr 01, 2019 8:00 am

qf789 wrote:
qf789 wrote:
QF744ER wrote:
MH126/127 KUL-PER-KUL has been upgraded to a A332 with the Northern summer changes with effect from today (31/3/2019), 9M-MTY has the honours of operating the first service.


Loads were a bit disappointing though

Other changes include

Malindo redeye now mostly operated by 739 instead of 738
EK424/425 now discontinued
SQ213/226 now operated by 772 instead of 333, SQ223/214 333 replaces 772
SQ215/216 333 replaced 787-10 last night and 772 replaces 787-10 tonight

Hopefully if MK take delivery of the 339 soon we should see that later this month


Also GA PER-DPS now 738 instead of A333
CZ changed from A333 to A332


GA727/728 PER-DPS remains unchanged as A333 according to Garuda Reservations - dunno where the 737 came from?

But CZ319/320 does downgrade to A332 during NS and will ramp back up to A333 for NW.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2019

Mon Apr 01, 2019 8:06 am

CityRail wrote:
According to twitter, https://twitter.com/i/status/1112429356184489985, Virgin Australia is reportedly introducing Virgin Australia fly foods, where it will work similar to UberEats or Deliveroo and allows customers to order food from interstate and have it delivered to your home via Virgin Australia aircraft.
I think this is a very good idea, and I hope they can extend this service to be available on VA 68 and VA 82 so that high quality food from Hong Kong can be delivered to my door every morning.


Will they be delivering every April Fool’s Day?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2019

Mon Apr 01, 2019 8:27 am

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BITRE international out for January 19

https://bitre.gov.au/publications/ongoi ... y_1901.pdf


This data shows a strong performance on Virgin Australia's Hong Kong service. You can see they recorded 91%+ load factor for both Hong Kong routes.

That means Hong Kong could stay and becomes profitable.

Also note Singapore - Melbourne exceeded Singapore - Sydney and Auckland - Sydney to become the busiest international route in Australia. Perhaps SQ should consider increasing MEL to 2x A380 as well.

New Zealand continues to become major concern for Virgin Australia. In this busy season they increased 15% or so capacity, but only recorded 8.6% growth.

Also see massive decrease of passengers to Fiji, Solomon Islands and PNG; where Hong Kong has recorded 106% growth over the past year.

This tells me Virgin Australia should be cutting international short hauls and grow international long haul.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2019

Mon Apr 01, 2019 9:03 am

CityRail wrote:
qf789 wrote:
BITRE international out for January 19

https://bitre.gov.au/publications/ongoi ... y_1901.pdf


New Zealand continues to become major concern for Virgin Australia. In this busy season they increased 15% or so capacity, but only recorded 8.6% growth.

Also see massive decrease of passengers to Fiji, Solomon Islands and PNG; where Hong Kong has recorded 106% growth over the past year.

This tells me Virgin Australia should be cutting international short hauls and grow international long haul.


Agreed. Short-haul for VA cannot be doing well for them. Again, their recent financial report indicates international is worsening.
We've now discussed New Zealand for three months and again QF, JQ and NZ are outperforming VA.
QF and JQ both had loadfactors of 88-89% compared to 71% for VA. NZ fared better at 77%.
QF, JQ and NZ had almost identical load factors compared to Jan 2018.
VA had a LF of 75% in Jan 2018, therefore, they've lost 4% points which is significant.
This also shows QF, JQ and NZ have had most of their capacity increases absorbed, whereas VA has not.
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Mon Apr 01, 2019 9:32 am

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Agreed. Short-haul for VA cannot be doing well for them. Again, their recent financial report indicates international is worsening.
We've now discussed New Zealand for three months and again QF, JQ and NZ are outperforming VA.
QF and JQ both had loadfactors of 88-89% compared to 71% for VA. NZ fared better at 77%.
QF, JQ and NZ had almost identical load factors compared to Jan 2018.
VA had a LF of 75% in Jan 2018, therefore, they've lost 4% points which is significant.
This also shows QF, JQ and NZ have had most of their capacity increases absorbed, whereas VA has not.


I think VA can do one thing that perhaps can turnaround their NZ operation.

1. Re-time VA 145. The afternoon departure duplicates with its existing VA 147 which leaves just 3 hours behind.I propose the following times:

VA 145 SYD 22:40 - 04:30 AKL B738 D
VA 140 AKL 07:00 - 09:10 SYD B738 D

At this stage, there's only 1 red-eye ex-East Coast to AKL, the JQ 217. So I suspect whether this timing will be successful, if JQ can survive for some time, VA could replicate something in SYD.

2. Re-time VA 141. 10am departure is too late. No business or corporate pax will fly VA because you will simply lost a day of work as the result of flying them. I propose the following times:

VA 141 SYD 06:00 - 11:15 AKL B738 D
VA 142 AKL 13:15 - 14:55 SYD B738 D

3. As the result of this, we will also need to re-time the last pair of flights as well:

VA 147 SYD 19:15 - 00:20+1 AKL B738 D
VA 146 AKL 21:00 - 22:40 SYD B738 D

The latest flights departing AKL to SYD is QF 148, which departs at 18:05. The a lot later departure of VA 146 enables business passengers to finish their work/conference at 6pm and still able to return to Sydney in the same day.

The main disadvantage of this move means a long layover at AKL for VA. The only way to minimise this is for VA to consider whether they can use 1 aircraft, say VA 147 to operate 3 - 4 x daily NZ Domestic the next day between AKL and CHC/WLG before operating as VA 146 to SYD. Each domestic return will take 4 hours to complete including turnaround at airports (30 minute turnaround each sector) and I think this could provide a lifeline to Virgin perhaps.Qantas operated JetConnect and currently has Jetstar running NZ Domestic. So Virgin's entry should not be a big problem if they can make a way to fill up those seats.

This does not require additional aircraft so the only investment will be Working Capital Expenditures. If this doesn't work, they might need to release the Tiger out.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2019

Mon Apr 01, 2019 11:16 am

rtav wrote:
qf789 wrote:
qf789 wrote:
Also GA PER-DPS now 738 instead of A333
CZ changed from A333 to A332


GA727/728 PER-DPS remains unchanged as A333 according to Garuda Reservations - dunno where the 737 came from?

But CZ319/320 does downgrade to A332 during NS and will ramp back up to A333 for NW.


The 738s will be running for a bit from Wednesday last I looked, back to 333s mid-April.
 
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Mon Apr 01, 2019 1:25 pm

QF744ER wrote:
MH126/127 KUL-PER-KUL has been upgraded to a A332 with the Northern summer changes with effect from today (31/3/2019), 9M-MTY has the honours of operating the first service.


And upgraded to a A333 tonight, with -MTF on her way down!
 
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Mon Apr 01, 2019 1:46 pm

CityRail wrote:
qf789 wrote:
BITRE international out for January 19

https://bitre.gov.au/publications/ongoi ... y_1901.pdf


This data shows a strong performance on Virgin Australia's Hong Kong service. You can see they recorded 91%+ load factor for both Hong Kong routes.

That means Hong Kong could stay and becomes profitable.

Also see massive decrease of passengers to Fiji, Solomon Islands and PNG; where Hong Kong has recorded 106% growth over the past year.

This tells me Virgin Australia should be cutting international short hauls and grow international long haul.


The 91% load factor you quote is for inbound flights from HKG, outbound flights had a 69.1% LF. Using CX and QF HKG as a comparison:

CX: 95.9% Inbound LF and 75.3% outbound LF.
QF: 94.7% Inbound LF and 75.8% outbound LF.

So whilst an encouraging LF %, January is traditionally a busy period for inbound traffic for most carriers (carrying pax coming back from overseas during the Christmas/New Year/School Holidays). The high load factors aren't necessarily indicative of profitability either, there are regular $500-$600 fares rtn to HKG offered by all 3 carriers now. Prior to VA entering the route, Sub $700 rtn fares were unheard of.
Go back to a quiet month - September 2018: VA's LF% outbound/inbound were ~60%, so I wouldn't get carried away with the headline %'s for January.

As to HKG recording 106% passenger growth Jan 2019 vs Jan 2018 for VA, note that VA had 62 inbound and 62 outbound flights in Jan 2019, it had 31 inbound and 31 outbound flights in Jan 2018. So a doubling in capacity has resulted in a 106% growth in passengers.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2019

Mon Apr 01, 2019 10:18 pm

CityRail wrote:
qf789 wrote:
BITRE international out for January 19

https://bitre.gov.au/publications/ongoi ... y_1901.pdf

Also note Singapore - Melbourne exceeded Singapore - Sydney and Auckland - Sydney to become the busiest international route in Australia. Perhaps SQ should consider increasing MEL to 2x A380 as well.


SQ only flies the A380 daily during certain periods of the year. However SQ will be increasing MEL to x5 daily from June and July this year, using a combination of A380, A350, 77W, 772 - I believe other Australian destinations SQ only offers x4 daily services, MEL is permanent x32 weekly.

TR will also increase MEL to x10 weekly from June. This is in addition to x2 daily QF, x2 weekly JQ and x1 daily EK services. Yes that's alot of capacity, but it is being absorbed by the market.
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Mon Apr 01, 2019 11:25 pm

kriskim wrote:
CityRail wrote:
qf789 wrote:
BITRE international out for January 19

https://bitre.gov.au/publications/ongoi ... y_1901.pdf

Also note Singapore - Melbourne exceeded Singapore - Sydney and Auckland - Sydney to become the busiest international route in Australia. Perhaps SQ should consider increasing MEL to 2x A380 as well.


SQ only flies the A380 daily during certain periods of the year. However SQ will be increasing MEL to x5 daily from June and July this year, using a combination of A380, A350, 77W, 772 - I believe other Australian destinations SQ only offers x4 daily services, MEL is permanent x32 weekly.

TR will also increase MEL to x10 weekly from June. This is in addition to x2 daily QF, x2 weekly JQ and x1 daily EK services. Yes that's alot of capacity, but it is being absorbed by the market.


SIN-SYD can have 5 daily flights
with SYD-SIN at 4 times
SYD-CBR-SIN making up the 5th service.
 
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Mon Apr 01, 2019 11:46 pm

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Today also marks the first day of service of new domestic route Sydney - Bendigo, eliminating 3 hours of travel time and hundreds of dollars for travelling to Southern Cross and then change for V/Line.

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Only using the Q300 though - was this always the plan does anyone know? And I can still see $185 tickets available next week......
 
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Tue Apr 02, 2019 1:02 am

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Today also marks the first day of service of new domestic route Sydney - Bendigo, eliminating 3 hours of travel time and hundreds of dollars for travelling to Southern Cross and then change for V/Line.

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Only using the Q300 though - was this always the plan does anyone know? And I can still see $185 tickets available next week......


I can also see many $350+ airfares available on many days and sold out flights on a few BXG-SYD services this week.
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Tue Apr 02, 2019 1:22 am

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CityRail wrote:
Today also marks the first day of service of new domestic route Sydney - Bendigo, eliminating 3 hours of travel time and hundreds of dollars for travelling to Southern Cross and then change for V/Line.

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Only using the Q300 though - was this always the plan does anyone know? And I can still see $185 tickets available next week......

Yes always planned for Dash 8-300. BXG isn't a secure port so can't handle the Q400.
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Tue Apr 02, 2019 1:24 am

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Today also marks the first day of service of new domestic route Sydney - Bendigo, eliminating 3 hours of travel time and hundreds of dollars for travelling to Southern Cross and then change for V/Line.

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Only using the Q300 though - was this always the plan does anyone know? And I can still see $185 tickets available next week......


Yes it was always the plan. I imagine at some point the airport will be upgraded in terms of security facilities, at which time the Q400 might be possible, but for now the Q300 is the largest type that can operate from BXG.
 
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RyanairGuru wrote:
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Today also marks the first day of service of new domestic route Sydney - Bendigo, eliminating 3 hours of travel time and hundreds of dollars for travelling to Southern Cross and then change for V/Line.

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Only using the Q300 though - was this always the plan does anyone know? And I can still see $185 tickets available next week......

Yes always planned for Dash 8-300. BXG isn't a secure port so can't handle the Q400.


Secure as in screening of pax right?

Intersting to know. I am perhaps less skeptical now.
 
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Tue Apr 02, 2019 2:44 am

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Only using the Q300 though - was this always the plan does anyone know? And I can still see $185 tickets available next week......

Yes always planned for Dash 8-300. BXG isn't a secure port so can't handle the Q400.


Secure as in screening of pax right?

Intersting to know. I am perhaps less skeptical now.


A secure port has pasenger screening, baggage screening, plus some other administrative requirements.

Props up to 50 seats don't require screening. Other non-secure ports that QantasLink flies to include ARM, MRZ and LDH.
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Tue Apr 02, 2019 3:01 am

As far as I'm aware the trigger for requiring security screening is a MTOW of 20,000 kg. Although the DH8C (19,500 kg) and the F50 (19,950 kg) are the largest aircraft that don't require security screening, both happen to be 50 seaters.

That came into effect in 2005 but the DH8D must have received dispensation at least initially. I remember flying BNE-GLT-ROK-MKY on QOH in 2008, before GLT had security screening. As a through passenger I stayed onboard for the GLT stop but every one had to disembark at ROK and reclear security there before continuing further north.
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Tue Apr 02, 2019 3:15 am

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As far as I'm aware the trigger for requiring security screening is a MTOW of 20,000 kg. Although the DH8C (19,500 kg) and the F50 (19,950 kg) are the largest aircraft that don't require security screening, both happen to be 50 seaters.

That came into effect in 2005 but the DH8D must have received dispensation at least initially. I remember flying BNE-GLT-ROK-MKY on QOH in 2008, before GLT had security screening. As a through passenger I stayed onboard for the GLT stop but every one had to disembark at ROK and reclear security there before continuing further north.


Correct, it's 20,000kg MTOW. There are options available for airports which welcome aircraft >20,000kg MTOW (including handheld wands rather than X-ray for passengers) - Blackall and Barcaldine in Qld must have some kind of arrangement because I can't imagine they meet the requirement for >20t in the usual way, and yet both have 3x weekly Q400 services. I don't know whether pax re-screen in LRE, though.
 
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Tue Apr 02, 2019 11:19 am

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I don’t recall seeing it posted but I note LA805 operating overnight SCL-MEL now and midday ex MEL. As opposed to the daylight SCL-MEL leg and evening ex MEL.

SCL 0045 MEL 0530
MEL 1245 SCL 1200

This is news, considering MEL is almost full out both in gate and parking space in the morning.

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2019

Tue Apr 02, 2019 12:39 pm

May I ask what did Josh Frydenberg brought to Australian Aviation Industry tonight through the budget?
I am interested how much and when will SWZ be built. I hope SWZ will be built asap, because Sydney's growth is being hindered by the 2 runways and limitations we currently have at SYD.
 
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As far as I'm aware the trigger for requiring security screening is a MTOW of 20,000 kg. Although the DH8C (19,500 kg) and the F50 (19,950 kg) are the largest aircraft that don't require security screening, both happen to be 50 seaters.

That came into effect in 2005 but the DH8D must have received dispensation at least initially. I remember flying BNE-GLT-ROK-MKY on QOH in 2008, before GLT had security screening. As a through passenger I stayed onboard for the GLT stop but every one had to disembark at ROK and reclear security there before continuing further north.


Correct, it's 20,000kg MTOW. There are options available for airports which welcome aircraft >20,000kg MTOW (including handheld wands rather than X-ray for passengers) - Blackall and Barcaldine in Qld must have some kind of arrangement because I can't imagine they meet the requirement for >20t in the usual way, and yet both have 3x weekly Q400 services. I don't know whether pax re-screen in LRE, though.


Blackall Airport has definitely been upgraded and has 'normal' security. I'm pretty sure Barcaldine has as well.

Places such as GLT and LRE didn't initially comply, and were granted exemptions, but since IIRC 2014 (???) all ports have been required to be fully compliant.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2019

Tue Apr 02, 2019 10:21 pm

eamondzhang wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:
I don’t recall seeing it posted but I note LA805 operating overnight SCL-MEL now and midday ex MEL. As opposed to the daylight SCL-MEL leg and evening ex MEL.

SCL 0045 MEL 0530
MEL 1245 SCL 1200

This is news, considering MEL is almost full out both in gate and parking space in the morning.

Michael

Arriving at 5:30 will mean it should get a gate fairly easily but it will be towed away pretty promptly and parked somewhere around the airfield. This will mean there are at least 4 787s parked away from the terminal awaiting afternoon departures (RB, EY, JQ, LA) as well as the EK 77W which is usually parked at the end of the northern runway.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2019

Tue Apr 02, 2019 10:34 pm

tullamarine wrote:
eamondzhang wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:
I don’t recall seeing it posted but I note LA805 operating overnight SCL-MEL now and midday ex MEL. As opposed to the daylight SCL-MEL leg and evening ex MEL.

SCL 0045 MEL 0530
MEL 1245 SCL 1200

This is news, considering MEL is almost full out both in gate and parking space in the morning.

Michael

Arriving at 5:30 will mean it should get a gate fairly easily but it will be towed away pretty promptly and parked somewhere around the airfield. This will mean there are at least 4 787s parked away from the terminal awaiting afternoon departures (RB, EY, JQ, LA) as well as the EK 77W which is usually parked at the end of the northern runway.
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That's when I said I believe there would be parking issues - well honestly we currently can count only about 8 parking spots for heavies (including the 16 end, the two across T2, the two across T4 and three on the cargo side). Correct me if I'm wrong on this though - haven't been down there for a while when busting at work!

With the current timings you would generally get EK (no 388 not 77W), BI, EY, LA, MH, VA's 77W and that's already 6 - when SQ257 starts operation I bet it will need to be towed away as well (since it would generally connect onto 228 including the revised 237) - so that's 7 spots counted. It doesn't really give one much leeway before things are thrown into chaos. It's also pretty normal to see morning bus ops to remote stands (for international heavies; MH is/was a big casualty on this), and hence what I said.

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2019

Tue Apr 02, 2019 11:17 pm

eamondzhang wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:
I don’t recall seeing it posted but I note LA805 operating overnight SCL-MEL now and midday ex MEL. As opposed to the daylight SCL-MEL leg and evening ex MEL.

SCL 0045 MEL 0530
MEL 1245 SCL 1200

This is news, considering MEL is almost full out both in gate and parking space in the morning.

Michael


Consistent schedule with the SYD/AKL flight ex SCL. Which as a former frequent user was a brilliant flight (timewise) to Australia, perhaps one of the best ive ever flown.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2019

Tue Apr 02, 2019 11:54 pm

qf2220 wrote:
eamondzhang wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:
I don’t recall seeing it posted but I note LA805 operating overnight SCL-MEL now and midday ex MEL. As opposed to the daylight SCL-MEL leg and evening ex MEL.

SCL 0045 MEL 0530
MEL 1245 SCL 1200

This is news, considering MEL is almost full out both in gate and parking space in the morning.

Michael


Consistent schedule with the SYD/AKL flight ex SCL. Which as a former frequent user was a brilliant flight (timewise) to Australia, perhaps one of the best ive ever flown.

Indeed, brilliant timing and flight's long enough for a full 8hr sleep!

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2019

Wed Apr 03, 2019 1:13 am

eamondzhang wrote:
tullamarine wrote:
eamondzhang wrote:
This is news, considering MEL is almost full out both in gate and parking space in the morning.

Michael

Arriving at 5:30 will mean it should get a gate fairly easily but it will be towed away pretty promptly and parked somewhere around the airfield. This will mean there are at least 4 787s parked away from the terminal awaiting afternoon departures (RB, EY, JQ, LA) as well as the EK 77W which is usually parked at the end of the northern runway.
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That's when I said I believe there would be parking issues - well honestly we currently can count only about 8 parking spots for heavies (including the 16 end, the two across T2, the two across T4 and three on the cargo side). Correct me if I'm wrong on this though - haven't been down there for a while when busting at work!

With the current timings you would generally get EK (no 388 not 77W), BI, EY, LA, MH, VA's 77W and that's already 6 - when SQ257 starts operation I bet it will need to be towed away as well (since it would generally connect onto 228 including the revised 237) - so that's 7 spots counted. It doesn't really give one much leeway before things are thrown into chaos. It's also pretty normal to see morning bus ops to remote stands (for international heavies; MH is/was a big casualty on this), and hence what I said.

Michael


Melbourne has 8 standoff bays for heavies : D13 D15 G57A G60A G54A H1 H2 and H3. Soon we will also have F21A and F22 capable of handling B789 or A359.
Planes moved to stand off bays are: EK380 EK77W EY789 BI788 MH333 LA789 MH333 QF789 VA77W and 1 or 2 JQ 788. Usually the QF789 is parked over in the Qantas domestic terminal. Also some planes are move to T4.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2019

Wed Apr 03, 2019 1:58 am

Melbourne has 8 standoff bays for heavies : D13 D15 G57A G60A G54A H1 H2 and H3. Soon we will also have F21A and F22 capable of handling B789 or A359.
Planes moved to stand off bays are: EK380 EK77W EY789 BI788 MH333 LA789 MH333 QF789 VA77W and 1 or 2 JQ 788. Usually the QF789 is parked over in the Qantas domestic terminal. Also some planes are move to T4.


The MEL Master Plan refers to the addition of another 5 international standoff bays over the next 5 years. Whilst good, this fails to address the chronic lack of gates and facilities in T2. The only new gates in the 5 year period are 2 A350 capable swing gates linked with T1 and T3. The plan for a renewed T2 is well overdue even though some very hazy concept drawing were released nearly 2 years ago. Even then, the plan is quite limited given the limited real estate available. Bussing should only be a last resort. There is nothing more frustrating after a 10-14 hour flight than being shuffled onto a bus for what can often be a long journey back to the terminal. I'm sure pax satisfaction ratings dive as soon as they are loaded onto buses.

I was surprised when the master plan came out that it didn't propose the conversion of T3 into an international terminal with a new domestic terminal (T5) built south of T4 for VA. It is still vaguely referred to as a plan but only in the 30 year timeframe which is pretty much meaningless.

Over the past few weeks I have travelled through Asia visiting CGK, SIN, PVG and HKG. Whilst they all have limitations(principally runway capacity), all of these airports show what is possible with good planning. Coming back into Australia is depressing where it seems airport owners are more interested in running a shopping centre that charges exorbitant car parking fees than world-class airports.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2019

Wed Apr 03, 2019 2:38 am

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May I ask what did Josh Frydenberg brought to Australian Aviation Industry tonight through the budget?
I am interested how much and when will SWZ be built. I hope SWZ will be built asap, because Sydney's growth is being hindered by the 2 runways and limitations we currently have at SYD.


The first contract contract was already awarded and started back in JAN this involved levelling of the land and clearing ready for actual construction . which is due to be completed by DEC this year. Second contract yet to be awarded although should be awarded later this year at some stage i would imagine which is for the actual building's and runways etc


Josh Frydenberg has committed 3.5 billion dollars for heavy rail between St Marys and Campbelltown. This was in addition to funding already committed for construction of the airport to end of Stage 1 as well as supporting roads to the airport.

So a big win for the airport as there was evidence there was not going to be a train line to the airport when it first opened , but now there will. or should be as there was no indication of dates
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