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Re: WN putting the MAX8 in storage at Victorville,Ca.

Tue Mar 26, 2019 11:58 pm

uta999 wrote:
If you zoom in to Victorville on Flightradar24 and possibly Google Earth, the ramp and a taxiway are already shown full of Southwest Max 8s.

That was updated pretty quick.


I'm not convinced those are MAX's. More likely old pictures with stored -300s. I'm going by the fact that most of them have the old paint scheme (Canyon Blue). MAX's would have been in the new livery (Heart) from delivery.
 
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Re: WN putting the MAX8 in storage at Victorville,Ca.

Wed Mar 27, 2019 12:18 am

B757capt wrote:
jagraham wrote:
B757capt wrote:
Boeing is not conducting Customer acceptance flights. Therefore no aircraft are leaving Boeing’s hands until this is all sorted out.


WN accepts fuel in place of customer acceptance flights viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1382525&p=20434515&hilit=wn+customer+acceptance+flights#p20434515

This is not accurate. Boeing provides fuel to the customers final destination or first stop with each delivery. Southwest can certainly waive off the customer acceptance flights if they like. In fact, some carieers such as Aeroflot, have paid Boeing to delivery the aircraft to them. Carieers such as American, do not allow delivery acceptance without a Customer flight.

To each is own but a Fuel isn’t the reason.


The continuation of the Flying article I referred to earlier ( https://www.flyingmag.com/flight-lifetime ) said "we needed 20,500 pounds of gas, but we had 46,000 pounds on board" for a 737-700 delivery flight for Southwest. One source has the fuel capacity of a 737-700 at about 26000 liters, which is about 45,800 lb of jet fuel.

So maybe they did it in the past?

(or else the media got something wrong!)
 
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Re: WN putting the MAX8 in storage at Victorville,Ca.

Wed Mar 27, 2019 12:33 am

This thread is about Southwest storing its 737 MAXes. Stick to the topic or the thread will be locked. This isn't a discussion about Lion Air, Ethiopian, MCAS, or the grounding itself.

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Re: WN putting the MAX8 in storage at Victorville,Ca.

Wed Mar 27, 2019 12:39 am

Re images: Both the Google Maps satellite view and the Google Earth images show older WN aircraft, with the "Southwest" painted over/removed, so these aren't MAX's.
The Google Earth image shows a date of 8/25/2018. I wish those two excellent programs would have 'real time' images, but they don't. Typically Google Street View images are more current than Satellite view, depends on the location.
 
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Re: WN putting the MAX8 in storage at Victorville,Ca.

Wed Mar 27, 2019 12:42 am

GSOflyerDL wrote:
http://www.fox35orlando.com/news/local-news/southwest-boeing-737-max-makes-emergency-landing-at-orlando-international-airport

"A Southwest Boeing 737 Max took off from Orlando International Airport after 2:30 p.m on Tuesday. Airport officials said that it experienced a malfunction and had to return to Orlando for an emergency landing."

What on Earth...

Are you unfamiliar with aircraft operations? Planes return every day for one reason or another
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Re: WN putting the MAX8 in storage at Victorville,Ca.

Wed Mar 27, 2019 12:45 am

friendlyskies22 wrote:
Re images: Both the Google Maps satellite view and the Google Earth images show older WN aircraft, with the "Southwest" painted over/removed, so these aren't MAX's.
The Google Earth image shows a date of 8/25/2018. I wish those two excellent programs would have 'real time' images, but they don't. Typically Google Street View images are more current than Satellite view, depends on the location.

Thanks for the detailed info. So, how do you read the date of the pictures? Did you go in to Google Earth, or did the link provided above tell you the dates? I looked but did not find the date info. I presume you did since you mention two programs, but I don't have Earth on this computer and I can't install it.
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Re: WN putting the MAX8 in storage at Victorville,Ca.

Wed Mar 27, 2019 2:01 am

Revelation....on Google Earth at the bottom of the page, it shows the photo date. I sometimes see it also on Google Maps, but not always. Google Earth is a huge program, and will not load on certain computers, depending on the age of the computer, but try it, it's great.
Off topic, but on both programs, if you look a little west of VCV 17/35, and zoom in, you'll see thousands of VW and Audi vehicles, never to be driven again (dieselgate).
Drove by these less than a year ago to look at UA 747's, and all those cars were still there....
 
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Re: WN putting the MAX8 in storage at Victorville,Ca.

Wed Mar 27, 2019 5:50 am

uta999 wrote:
If you zoom in to Victorville on Flightradar24 and possibly Google Earth, the ramp and a taxiway are already shown full of Southwest Max 8s.

That was updated pretty quick.


Those are retired 300s and 500s. Easy to tell because most are the old livery. It is not an updated photo.
 
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Re: WN putting the MAX8 in storage at Victorville,Ca.

Wed Mar 27, 2019 9:55 am

Spetsnaz55 wrote:
I wonder how these flights went for the pilots... without a hiccup most likely



I guess not
 
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Re: WN putting the MAX8 in storage at Victorville,Ca.

Wed Mar 27, 2019 10:15 am

Elshad wrote:
Good sign. Means the authorities won’t accept a quick software patch or other half-assed fix.



Well since you have it all figured out, how would you go about returning these aircraft to service? Please define " a quick software patch" as it would apply to this MCAS issue?
 
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Re: WN putting the MAX8 in storage at Victorville,Ca.

Wed Mar 27, 2019 12:03 pm

luv2cattlecall wrote:
uta999 wrote:
If you zoom in to Victorville on Flightradar24 and possibly Google Earth, the ramp and a taxiway are already shown full of Southwest Max 8s.

That was updated pretty quick.



On Google maps - still haven't figured out how to include uploaded photos on mobile, but here's a

https://maps.app.goo.gl/FHfP5


Those are all the retired 737-300 in the Google Earth photo.

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Re: WN putting the MAX8 in storage at Victorville,Ca.

Wed Mar 27, 2019 2:00 pm

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From Flightaware and Flightradar24 data, I count 20 WN Max-8 frames on the ground currently at VCV.


Now up to 24 frames at VCV as of a.m. Wednesday Mar-27.
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Re: WN putting the MAX8 in storage at Victorville,Ca.

Wed Mar 27, 2019 6:23 pm

Today's flights to VCV:
8700: DAL
8701: MDW
8702: Not filed
8703: MCO
8704: MDW
8705: MCO
8706+: not filed
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Re: WN putting the MAX8 in storage at Victorville,Ca.

Wed Mar 27, 2019 7:35 pm

Not ALL 737MAX are grounded.

Southwest Boeing 737 Max 8 plane makes emergency landing due to reported engine problem

https://www.foxnews.com/travel/southwes ... ssion=true
Why endure the nightmare and congestion of LAX when BUR, LGB, ONT & SNA is so much easier to fly in and out of. Same with OAK & SJC when it comes to SFO.
 
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Re: WN putting the MAX8 in storage at Victorville,Ca.

Wed Mar 27, 2019 7:43 pm

dc10lover wrote:
Not ALL 737MAX are grounded.

Southwest Boeing 737 Max 8 plane makes emergency landing due to reported engine problem

https://www.foxnews.com/travel/southwes ... ssion=true


This was a ferry flight to VCV for short term storage. See previous posts in this thread.
 
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Re: WN putting the MAX8 in storage at Victorville,Ca.

Wed Mar 27, 2019 7:43 pm

dc10lover wrote:
Not ALL 737MAX are grounded.

Southwest Boeing 737 Max 8 plane makes emergency landing due to reported engine problem

https://www.foxnews.com/travel/southwes ... ssion=true


Let me guess...you haven’t read one post in this thread?
 
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Re: WN putting the MAX8 in storage at Victorville,Ca.

Thu Mar 28, 2019 7:11 am

B757capt wrote:
jagraham wrote:
B757capt wrote:
Boeing is not conducting Customer acceptance flights. Therefore no aircraft are leaving Boeing’s hands until this is all sorted out.


WN accepts fuel in place of customer acceptance flights viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1382525&p=20434515&hilit=wn+customer+acceptance+flights#p20434515

This is not accurate. Boeing provides fuel to the customers final destination or first stop with each delivery. Southwest can certainly waive off the customer acceptance flights if they like. In fact, some carieers such as Aeroflot, have paid Boeing to delivery the aircraft to them. Carieers such as American, do not allow delivery acceptance without a Customer flight.

To each is own but a Fuel isn’t the reason.


Did you read the post? Which is not my post. People who know say Southwest has not done customer acceptance flights in quite some time. So if WN is not doing customer acceptance flights they can conceivably continue to accept 737 MAX aircraft and store them somewhere (no I don't know why they would actually do that unless Boeing is paying them to do it)
 
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Re: WN putting the MAX8 in storage at Victorville,Ca.

Thu Mar 28, 2019 7:31 am

This is the closest there is to current satellite images of Victorville in a free website: March 25, 2019
 
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Re: WN putting the MAX8 in storage at Victorville,Ca.

Thu Mar 28, 2019 8:10 am

Updated list of 38Ms not at VCV as of 0300 CDT Thursday:

MDW: 8704, 8727
MCO: 8708, 8712 (this appears to be the ship which was en route to VCV Wednesday, but suffered the engine issues), 8728, 8733
ATL: 8718
DAL: 8724
TPA: 8731
2019: DAL, MCI, PHX, LAS, DFW, SAT, ORD, SLC, SEA, DTW; B73G (WN x3), B738 (WN, AA, DL), A20N (NK), MD83 (AA), B788 (AA x2), CS1 (DL), 739 (DL), 712 (DL)
Next: AA: DFW-PHL (752), PHL-MIA (763), MIA-LAX (77W), LAX-DFW (789)
 
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Re: WN putting the MAX8 in storage at Victorville,Ca.

Thu Mar 28, 2019 8:21 am

zuckie13 wrote:
uta999 wrote:
If you zoom in to Victorville on Flightradar24 and possibly Google Earth, the ramp and a taxiway are already shown full of Southwest Max 8s.

That was updated pretty quick.


I'm not convinced those are MAX's. More likely old pictures with stored -300s. I'm going by the fact that most of them have the old paint scheme (Canyon Blue). MAX's would have been in the new livery (Heart) from delivery.


Correct, they're not MAXs - the image is dated 26-08-2018.
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Re: WN putting the MAX8 in storage at Victorville,Ca.

Thu Mar 28, 2019 10:43 am

jagraham wrote:
B757capt wrote:
jagraham wrote:

This is not accurate. Boeing provides fuel to the customers final destination or first stop with each delivery. Southwest can certainly waive off the customer acceptance flights if they like. In fact, some carieers such as Aeroflot, have paid Boeing to delivery the aircraft to them. Carieers such as American, do not allow delivery acceptance without a Customer flight.

To each is own but a Fuel isn’t the reason.


Did you read the post? Which is not my post. People who know say Southwest has not done customer acceptance flights in quite some time. So if WN is not doing customer acceptance flights they can conceivably continue to accept 737 MAX aircraft and store them somewhere (no I don't know why they would actually do that unless Boeing is paying them to do it)


It wouldn't surprise me if the FAA is not issuing any airworthiness certificates for any 737 Max at this time until the grounding order has been lifted.
 
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Re: WN putting the MAX8 in storage at Victorville,Ca.

Fri Mar 29, 2019 6:03 am

Thursday's WN ferry flights to VCV:

WN8701: MCO-VCV, 8728
WN8702: MCO-VCV, 8733
WN8703: TPA-VCV (filed, but not flown)
WN8704: MDW-VCV, 8727
WN8075: DAL-VCV, 8724

This now leaves the following 38Ms awaiting ferrying to VCV:

MDW: 8704
MCO: 8708, 8712 (engine repairs pending)
ATL: 8718
TPA: 8731

I would expect that, depending on the availability of check airmen, the entire WN 38M fleet, save for 8712, will be in VCV by the end of this weekend at the latest.
2019: DAL, MCI, PHX, LAS, DFW, SAT, ORD, SLC, SEA, DTW; B73G (WN x3), B738 (WN, AA, DL), A20N (NK), MD83 (AA), B788 (AA x2), CS1 (DL), 739 (DL), 712 (DL)
Next: AA: DFW-PHL (752), PHL-MIA (763), MIA-LAX (77W), LAX-DFW (789)
 
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Re: WN putting the MAX8 in storage at Victorville,Ca.

Sat Mar 30, 2019 1:05 am

8718 (ATL) and 8731 (TPA) are now at VCV as of 2000 CDT Friday.

8704 remains at MDW, while 8708 and 8712 are at MCO.

Worth noting that 8704 was operating WN2135 FLL-JAX-DEN on 13 March when it was diverted to MDW. I'm not sure if that was related to the FAA's order to ground the 38Ms or if that was a separate issue.
2019: DAL, MCI, PHX, LAS, DFW, SAT, ORD, SLC, SEA, DTW; B73G (WN x3), B738 (WN, AA, DL), A20N (NK), MD83 (AA), B788 (AA x2), CS1 (DL), 739 (DL), 712 (DL)
Next: AA: DFW-PHL (752), PHL-MIA (763), MIA-LAX (77W), LAX-DFW (789)
 
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Re: WN putting the MAX8 in storage at Victorville,Ca.

Fri Apr 12, 2019 10:58 pm

This photo from the database is a week old now (dated 4th April) and shows 31 MAXs at VCV.

The thumbnail might not rock your world, but click on "View Large" and it will fill most 'puter screens quite nicely.
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Re: WN putting the MAX8 in storage at Victorville,Ca.

Fri Apr 12, 2019 11:23 pm

SheikhDjibouti wrote:
This photo from the database is a week old now (dated 4th April) and shows 31 MAXs at VCV.

The thumbnail might not rock your world, but click on "View Large" and it will fill most 'puter screens quite nicely.


A very iconic picture...old and new in the same place neither in service
 
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Re: WN putting the MAX8 in storage at Victorville,Ca.

Sat Apr 13, 2019 12:53 am

Where is N772SW? It was stored at VCV as well
 
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Re: WN putting the MAX8 in storage at Victorville,Ca.

Sat Apr 13, 2019 1:39 am

jagraham wrote:
B757capt wrote:
jagraham wrote:

This is not accurate. Boeing provides fuel to the customers final destination or first stop with each delivery. Southwest can certainly waive off the customer acceptance flights if they like. In fact, some carieers such as Aeroflot, have paid Boeing to delivery the aircraft to them. Carieers such as American, do not allow delivery acceptance without a Customer flight.

To each is own but a Fuel isn’t the reason.


Did you read the post? Which is not my post. People who know say Southwest has not done customer acceptance flights in quite some time. So if WN is not doing customer acceptance flights they can conceivably continue to accept 737 MAX aircraft and store them somewhere (no I don't know why they would actually do that unless Boeing is paying them to do it)


Because 737 production is so matural that airlines believe that those testing flights performed by Boeing is more then enough to identify production defects. Airlines get rebates from the costs saved by not conducting customer acceptance flights.

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