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WN putting the MAX8 in storage at Victorville,Ca.

Sat Mar 23, 2019 1:50 pm

FAA gave WN authority to fly All its MAX8 to Victorville,Ca for storage Today.
According to sources WN will continue to accept new MAX deliveries from Boeing and store them in Victorville.
Same source saying WN is now looking at the used 737-800NG market to cover it's growth and schedules for 2019/2020.

Thoughts?

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Re: WN will fly all the MAX8 storage in Victorville,Ca.

Sat Mar 23, 2019 1:52 pm

Why are they accepting aircraft they cannot use?
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Re: WN puts the MAX8 in storage at Victorville,Ca.

Sat Mar 23, 2019 1:53 pm

It sounds to me - from what WN knows - this won't be a quick fix or a quick process.
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Re: WN will fly all the MAX8 storage in Victorville,Ca.

Sat Mar 23, 2019 1:53 pm

Wow, VCV? I wonder how long they anticipate these things being parked. I was there last year; if they're still there in October, god forbid, I might have to drive out from LAS again.
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Sat Mar 23, 2019 1:59 pm

WN has limited MAX 8 flying listed in the June schedules.

VCV has the right climate to store aircraft for extended periods of time. Plus it’ll be easy to reinstate the fleet from one single location.
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Re: WN puts the MAX8 in storage at Victorville,Ca.

Sat Mar 23, 2019 2:02 pm

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WN has limited MAX 8 flying listed in the June schedules.

VCV has the right climate to store aircraft for extended periods of time. Plus it’ll be easy to reinstate the fleet from one single location.


Correct. Much easier to implement a software fix on the fleet in a single location. In the immediate term it at also removes the requirement of WN to maintain the short term storage program for the aircraft at its stations and shifts to a third party in VCV.
 
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Re: WN putting the MAX8 in storage at Victorville,Ca.

Sat Mar 23, 2019 2:02 pm

5 scheduled to VCV and 1 already enroute.
 
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Re: WN putting the MAX8 in storage at Victorville,Ca.

Sat Mar 23, 2019 2:03 pm

A said above l, much easier to consolidate a fleet in one airport for storage and fixing.
 
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Re: WN putting the MAX8 in storage at Victorville,Ca.

Sat Mar 23, 2019 2:07 pm

Sounds like WN made some timeline estimates on what they know and they didn't like what they heard. Being the largest customer , I expect Boeing gave them honest answers. Of all airlines boeing wants to keep happy it's WN.

As I said from the get go when the Boeing defenders on here Insisted this would be super short duration, airlines are keeping all options open. No one know a timeline , all options must be on the table.
 
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Sat Mar 23, 2019 2:26 pm

Where were all their planes scattered? I know United has a couple at LAX, a couple at IAH, and the rest at HOU. What does the used 738 market look like right now? And one poster asked why accept planes they can't fly? The 737 Max isn't grounded forever...
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Re: WN putting the MAX8 in storage at Victorville,Ca.

Sat Mar 23, 2019 2:30 pm

Doesn't WN have 737 Classics stored which they can return to service while the MAX situation is resolved?
 
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Re: WN putting the MAX8 in storage at Victorville,Ca.

Sat Mar 23, 2019 2:33 pm

You can stop clock in dry environments (aircraft legally stop aging). Victorville can also perform the maintenance and has enough hotels to surge staff when time to fix the aircraft.

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Re: WN putting the MAX8 in storage at Victorville,Ca.

Sat Mar 23, 2019 2:33 pm

Does VCV have the room for 30+ MAX 8's? I'm sure there's already other aircraft being stored there.
 
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Re: WN putting the MAX8 in storage at Victorville,Ca.

Sat Mar 23, 2019 2:34 pm

AC cleaned out their schedules through July. Dang... this is not looking good.
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Re: WN putting the MAX8 in storage at Victorville,Ca.

Sat Mar 23, 2019 2:35 pm

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Doesn't WN have 737 Classics stored which they can return to service while the MAX situation is resolved?

Who would fly them? The pilots are all now MAX/NG certified. Since the FAA didn't approve a classic/NG/MAX cert, the pilots had to give up the classic cert to fly the MAX. Once given up, it as if it never was...

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Re: WN putting the MAX8 in storage at Victorville,Ca.

Sat Mar 23, 2019 2:44 pm

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Doesn't WN have 737 Classics stored which they can return to service while the MAX situation is resolved?

Who would fly them? The pilots are all now MAX/NG certified. Since the FAA didn't approve a classic/NG/MAX cert, the pilots had to give up the classic cert to fly the MAX. Once given up, it as if it never was...

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Re: WN putting the MAX8 in storage at Victorville,Ca.

Sat Mar 23, 2019 2:45 pm

You just don’t fly a plane back, they’ve been stripped of their interiors and other valuable parts. WN might not even own nor lease them anymore, they aren’t on the AOC,and they aren’t airworthy and need lots of maintenance and/or checks to be made airworthy.

Most of these planes have been stored from two years to 15, many have been scrapped.

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Re: WN putting the MAX8 in storage at Victorville,Ca.

Sat Mar 23, 2019 2:50 pm

ikolkyo wrote:
A said above l, much easier to consolidate a fleet in one airport for storage and fixing.

And cheaper to park them at VCV than wherever they are now sitting.
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Re: WN putting the MAX8 in storage at Victorville,Ca.

Sat Mar 23, 2019 2:56 pm

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And one poster asked why accept planes they can't fly? The 737 Max isn't grounded forever...


No, they probably will not, the question asked, why accept them now, at this moment in time while you know you can't use them? It will cost money to accept them, fully paid. Need to store them, need to insure them, need to finance them, all of this while they will not earn you money.

Those aircraft have been made, they will not go anywhere. So let Boeing store them till they find a solution till they could actually use them.
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Re: WN putting the MAX8 in storage at Victorville,Ca.

Sat Mar 23, 2019 3:04 pm

drerx7 wrote:
Where were all their planes scattered? I know United has a couple at LAX, a couple at IAH, and the rest at HOU. What does the used 738 market look like right now? And one poster asked why accept planes they can't fly? The 737 Max isn't grounded forever...


I know we had 5 or 6 in PHX. I’ll have to drive by this morning and see if I can catch any leaving.
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Re: WN putting the MAX8 in storage at Victorville,Ca.

Sat Mar 23, 2019 3:06 pm

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drerx7 wrote:
And one poster asked why accept planes they can't fly? The 737 Max isn't grounded forever...


No, they probably will not, the question asked, why accept them now, at this moment in time while you know you can't use them? It will cost money to accept them, fully paid. Need to store them, need to insure them, need to finance them, all of this while they will not earn you money.

Those aircraft have been made, they will not go anywhere. So let Boeing store them till they find a solution till they could actually use them.



I am pretty sure that Boeing would compensate for all the lost reveune.
 
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Re: WN putting the MAX8 in storage at Victorville,Ca.

Sat Mar 23, 2019 3:32 pm

PlanesNTrains wrote:
drerx7 wrote:
Where were all their planes scattered? I know United has a couple at LAX, a couple at IAH, and the rest at HOU. What does the used 738 market look like right now? And one poster asked why accept planes they can't fly? The 737 Max isn't grounded forever...


I know we had 5 or 6 in PHX. I’ll have to drive by this morning and see if I can catch any leaving.


There were five in the west hold bay and one in T-3 North Spot 1. However, there was one at the hangar overnight; may have been prepping it for relocation.
 
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Re: WN putting the MAX8 in storage at Victorville,Ca.

Sat Mar 23, 2019 3:33 pm

The first one already landed at Victorville today.
The first aircraft to arrive was N8717M from Phoenix.
The second already following her sistership to Victorville with the registration N8714Q and flight number WN8701 from Dallas.
The third one also flying to Victorville with the registration N8735L (the newest flying in the fleet) and flight number WN 8703 from St.Louis.

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Re: WN putting the MAX8 in storage at Victorville,Ca.

Sat Mar 23, 2019 3:41 pm

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The first one already landed at Victorville today.
The first aircraft to arrive was N8717M from Phoenix.
The second already following her sistership to Victorville with the registration N8714Q and flight number WN8701 from Dallas.
The third one also flying to Victorville with the registration N8735L (the newest flying in the fleet) and flight number WN 8703 from St.Louis.

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Looks like 6 are scheduled so far. Flight numbers appear to be sequential as WN87XX. 8700 was from PHX, 8701 from Dallas, 8702 from Indy, 8703 from STL, and 8704/5 are from Nashville.

Looks like Sunwing is running Caribbean charters with a leased-in Eastern 762 to make up for lost lift due to grounding.
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Re: WN putting the MAX8 in storage at Victorville,Ca.

Sat Mar 23, 2019 3:48 pm

I wonder how these flights went for the pilots... without a hiccup most likely
 
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Re: WN putting the MAX8 in storage at Victorville,Ca.

Sat Mar 23, 2019 3:53 pm

The one from Indy also took off 20 minutes ago as WN8702

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Re: WN putting the MAX8 in storage at Victorville,Ca.

Sat Mar 23, 2019 3:56 pm

There are still 13 (at this moment) B73M shown in the air at flightaware: https://uk.flightaware.com/live/aircrafttype/B38M

This must be a mistake, right or are all these empty flights. There is, for instance, a LOT flight from WAW - LHR, that seems impossible to me.
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Re: WN putting the MAX8 in storage at Victorville,Ca.

Sat Mar 23, 2019 4:20 pm

Spetsnaz55 wrote:
I wonder how these flights went for the pilots... without a hiccup most likely

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Re: WN putting the MAX8 in storage at Victorville,Ca.

Sat Mar 23, 2019 5:08 pm

I'm fairly confident that WN will not be paying a single dime to Boeing until these planes are released and in revenue service. Still not convinced that the MAX will ever be allowed to fly again in certain regions/countries.
 
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Re: WN putting the MAX8 in storage at Victorville,Ca.

Sat Mar 23, 2019 5:08 pm

There are 121 800’s in storage so a great opportunity to pick some up at good prices. WN has done very well with used aircraft with well over 100 of their 700’s “pre-owned”
 
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Sat Mar 23, 2019 5:20 pm

n471wn wrote:
There are 121 800’s in storage so a great opportunity to pick some up at good prices. WN has done very well with used aircraft with well over 100 of their 700’s “pre-owned”


Along with the B737NGs previously flown by Primera and Air Berlin. Any idea where they went ?

Also what happened to the numerous planes parked by Turkeys various airlines in HAM and across Turkey due to over capacity and lower than forecasted demand? Are they all back in service or still parked?
 
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Sat Mar 23, 2019 5:21 pm

n471wn wrote:
There are 121 800’s in storage so a great opportunity to pick some up at good prices. WN has done very well with used aircraft with well over 100 of their 700’s “pre-owned”

I's wager these stored 738's are suddenly shooting up in value ! And many will likely be wanted back by the airline storing them as they were stored because they were replaced by the MAX.
 
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Re: WN putting the MAX8 in storage at Victorville,Ca.

Sat Mar 23, 2019 5:28 pm

Dutchy wrote:
There are still 13 (at this moment) B73M shown in the air at flightaware: https://uk.flightaware.com/live/aircrafttype/B38M

This must be a mistake, right or are all these empty flights. There is, for instance, a LOT flight from WAW - LHR, that seems impossible to me.


it is shown incorrectly on flightaware... if you use flightradar24 you can see that actually different planes are flying those routes.
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Re: WN putting the MAX8 in storage at Victorville,Ca.

Sat Mar 23, 2019 5:30 pm

The -300s that went to VCV were the ones that were getting sold to other companies. Even if WN wanted to bring them back into service, their pilots would have to get re-qualified and do a distance learning module for it. (From my understanding). Many of the WN-300s have also found new homes around the world, while the ones that were sent to AZ didn’t make it out in one piece..
 
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Re: WN putting the MAX8 in storage at Victorville,Ca.

Sat Mar 23, 2019 5:47 pm

OP really likes to post information from company internal sites to airliners as quick as possible eh?

Anyways, 2 replies from the thread so far....

1. No -300s are coming back. No no no no. Can we please stop rehashing this question? They’re all gone.

2. The WN maxes were parked all over the country. Off the top of my head...OAK, PHX, STL, IND, DAL, HOU, MDW, TPA, MCO, BNA, BWI. WN has some 20 odd mx locations. Some had 5ish planes while some just had one.

Hope someone can get a pic of all of them at VCV.
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Sat Mar 23, 2019 5:49 pm

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I am pretty sure that Boeing would compensate for all the lost revenue.

Personally I can't imagine Boeing will pay Southwest Airlines a few million dollars daily for weeks on end.
 
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Sat Mar 23, 2019 6:27 pm

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Doesn't WN have 737 Classics stored which they can return to service while the MAX situation is resolved?


The pilots were all recertified to NG/Classic. They cannot maintain certification on all 3 models at the same time. If they recall them they would have to do training before they could fly them again and keep a seporate pilot pool. They don't do that.
 
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Sat Mar 23, 2019 6:30 pm

Good sign. Means the authorities won’t accept a quick software patch or other half-assed fix.
 
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Sat Mar 23, 2019 6:33 pm

MartijnNL wrote:
Eyad89 wrote:
I am pretty sure that Boeing would compensate for all the lost revenue.

Personally I can't imagine Boeing will pay Southwest Airlines a few million dollars daily for weeks on end.


They will have to as it is not WN's fault they cannot fly, It's on Boeing.
 
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Sat Mar 23, 2019 6:35 pm

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Good sign. Means the authorities won’t accept a quick software patch or other half-assed fix.


Help me with “good sign.” There is zero evidence that aircraft like WN’s with three AoA sensors are unsafe.
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Sat Mar 23, 2019 6:39 pm

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drerx7 wrote:
And one poster asked why accept planes they can't fly? The 737 Max isn't grounded forever...


No, they probably will not, the question asked, why accept them now, at this moment in time while you know you can't use them? It will cost money to accept them, fully paid. Need to store them, need to insure them, need to finance them, all of this while they will not earn you money.

Those aircraft have been made, they will not go anywhere. So let Boeing store them till they find a solution till they could actually use them.

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Sat Mar 23, 2019 6:49 pm

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VS11 wrote:
Doesn't WN have 737 Classics stored which they can return to service while the MAX situation is resolved?


The pilots were all recertified to NG/Classic. They cannot maintain certification on all 3 models at the same time. If they recall them they would have to do training before they could fly them again and keep a seporate pilot pool. They don't do that.


Doesn’t even matter when there are no planes to recall...
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Re: WN putting the MAX8 in storage at Victorville,Ca.

Sat Mar 23, 2019 6:55 pm

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Where were all their planes scattered? I know United has a couple at LAX, a couple at IAH, and the rest at HOU. What does the used 738 market look like right now? And one poster asked why accept planes they can't fly? The 737 Max isn't grounded forever...


I was in MDW on Tuesday and there were at least 4 or 5 parked there.
 
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Re: WN putting the MAX8 in storage at Victorville,Ca.

Sat Mar 23, 2019 6:56 pm

The MAX jets likely won't be back in service for months. Beyond the lives lost (and the countless more put at risk by corporate greed and absurd and reckless push for less government regulation int he US), the reputation of the FAA is now called into question.
 
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Re: WN putting the MAX8 in storage at Victorville,Ca.

Sat Mar 23, 2019 7:00 pm

Cubsrule wrote:
Elshad wrote:
Good sign. Means the authorities won’t accept a quick software patch or other half-assed fix.


Help me with “good sign.” There is zero evidence that aircraft like WN’s with three AoA sensors are unsafe.


Three AoA sensors? No such thing. There is an optional AoA disagree warning lamp
 
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Sat Mar 23, 2019 7:04 pm

Elshad wrote:
Good sign. Means the authorities won’t accept a quick software patch or other half-assed fix.

Not sure how you tie all that together, but here's what we have:

Teams from the three U.S. airlines that own 737 MAX jets were heading to Boeing Co’s factory in Renton, Washington, to review a software upgrade on Saturday, even as Southwest Airlines Co began parking its 34 MAXs near the California desert.

The factory visits indicate Boeing may be nearing completion of a planned software patch for its newest 737 following a fatal Lion Air crash in Indonesia last October, but the timing for a resumption of passenger flights on the jets remains uncertain.

And:

The planes being in one place will be more efficient for performing the repetitive maintenance necessary for stationary aircraft, as well as any future software enhancements that need to take place,” spokeswoman Brandy King said.


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Re: WN putting the MAX8 in storage at Victorville,Ca.

Sat Mar 23, 2019 7:17 pm

Revelation wrote:
Elshad wrote:
Good sign. Means the authorities won’t accept a quick software patch or other half-assed fix.

Not sure how you tie all that together, but here's what we have:

Teams from the three U.S. airlines that own 737 MAX jets were heading to Boeing Co’s factory in Renton, Washington, to review a software upgrade on Saturday, even as Southwest Airlines Co began parking its 34 MAXs near the California desert.

The factory visits indicate Boeing may be nearing completion of a planned software patch for its newest 737 following a fatal Lion Air crash in Indonesia last October, but the timing for a resumption of passenger flights on the jets remains uncertain.

And:

The planes being in one place will be more efficient for performing the repetitive maintenance necessary for stationary aircraft, as well as any future software enhancements that need to take place,” spokeswoman Brandy King said.


Ref: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ethi ... SKCN1R40OK


Maybe I should have said “I hope this means the authorities won’t accept...”
 
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Sat Mar 23, 2019 7:20 pm

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Why are they accepting aircraft they cannot use?



because they know that this is a process and that it will be figured out.. and unlike us chicken little's of the internet they know that they will be flying them again.

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