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flydulles wrote:Southwest schedule due out 3/14/2019 what you all think we can expect? Should be interesting to see what they do!
Cubsrule wrote:I would imagine that there won't be much growth unless we get some clarity on the status going forward of the MAX between now and then.
Dominion301 wrote:Cubsrule wrote:I would imagine that there won't be much growth unless we get some clarity on the status going forward of the MAX between now and then.
True and apparently the launch of Hawaii flying is delayed by a week already.
Bobloblaw wrote:Dominion301 wrote:Cubsrule wrote:I would imagine that there won't be much growth unless we get some clarity on the status going forward of the MAX between now and then.
True and apparently the launch of Hawaii flying is delayed by a week already.
Where do you see that? I’m seeing a a availability for sale on 3/19.
ctrabs0114 wrote:Bobloblaw wrote:Dominion301 wrote:
True and apparently the launch of Hawaii flying is delayed by a week already.
Where do you see that? I’m seeing a a availability for sale on 3/19.
Someone brought up that Sunday's OAK-HNL flight was "zeroed out" (his words, not mine) and interpreted that to mean the flight had been cancelled as opposed to sold out. And, as someone else pointed on on that topic in that thread, since WN's using the 738 as opposed to the 3M8, you'd likely see other routes be cancelled before Hawaii service is impacted.
Bobloblaw wrote:ctrabs0114 wrote:Bobloblaw wrote:Where do you see that? I’m seeing a a availability for sale on 3/19.
Someone brought up that Sunday's OAK-HNL flight was "zeroed out" (his words, not mine) and interpreted that to mean the flight had been cancelled as opposed to sold out. And, as someone else pointed on on that topic in that thread, since WN's using the 738 as opposed to the 3M8, you'd likely see other routes be cancelled before Hawaii service is impacted.
I think it is sold out. But where did you come up with a one week delay? There is no way to tell in Sabre or the others if a flight is sold out or zeroed out. For zeroed out you look at the future and if all days for perpetuity are zero availability, then that is zeroed out and probably not operting. I think OAK-HNL is sold out.
Dominion301 wrote:Bobloblaw wrote:ctrabs0114 wrote:
Someone brought up that Sunday's OAK-HNL flight was "zeroed out" (his words, not mine) and interpreted that to mean the flight had been cancelled as opposed to sold out. And, as someone else pointed on on that topic in that thread, since WN's using the 738 as opposed to the 3M8, you'd likely see other routes be cancelled before Hawaii service is impacted.
I think it is sold out. But where did you come up with a one week delay? There is no way to tell in Sabre or the others if a flight is sold out or zeroed out. For zeroed out you look at the future and if all days for perpetuity are zero availability, then that is zeroed out and probably not operting. I think OAK-HNL is sold out.
I'm going on the info of a poster in the MAX grounding thread who said that WN's Hawaii ops were all zeroed out for the first week. Not likely that every single seat for WN's first week of Hawaii ops is 100% sold out already. That's why I said 'apparently' as I don't have access to a GDS system (used to way back when )
Bobloblaw wrote:Well availability is showing on their website. So they aren’t sold out. I’m seeing bookability on the return on March 19.
wnflyguy wrote:Only adds Rumored were the Additional Hawaii flights SAN,SMF and LIH.
But rumors that WN has pushed all three back to December tentatively to cover possible MAX8 grounding.
Flyguy
AA737-823 wrote:wnflyguy wrote:Only adds Rumored were the Additional Hawaii flights SAN,SMF and LIH.
But rumors that WN has pushed all three back to December tentatively to cover possible MAX8 grounding.
Flyguy
They're going to delay Hawaii service by basically AN YEAR to cover the MAX calamity?
Right.
Sure.
After all they delays they've already experienced, and thousands of tickets already sold.
I'n calling BS on that rumor!
AA737-823 wrote:wnflyguy wrote:Only adds Rumored were the Additional Hawaii flights SAN,SMF and LIH.
But rumors that WN has pushed all three back to December tentatively to cover possible MAX8 grounding.
Flyguy
They're going to delay Hawaii service by basically AN YEAR to cover the MAX calamity?
Right.
Sure.
After all they delays they've already experienced, and thousands of tickets already sold.
I'n calling BS on that rumor!
stl07 wrote:Wn will dehub Bna, Stl, and mdw to hub up mci since the new airport will be opening soon, according to certain posters and people on Twitter
777Mech wrote:I also hear that they could open up NRT, but it's probably going to be on the next schedule extension. Also heard they could start DTW-ISN too. Could.
wnflyguy wrote:AA737-823 wrote:wnflyguy wrote:Only adds Rumored were the Additional Hawaii flights SAN,SMF and LIH.
But rumors that WN has pushed all three back to December tentatively to cover possible MAX8 grounding.
Flyguy
They're going to delay Hawaii service by basically AN YEAR to cover the MAX calamity?
Right.
Sure.
After all they delays they've already experienced, and thousands of tickets already sold.
I'n calling BS on that rumor!
This schedule release was supposed to add Inter Island LIH and non stops from SAN,SMF to Hawaii in MAY.
But with the possibility of a FAA grounding of the MAX8 from Political pressure. WN will use the 20 planned ETOPS 800's to cover the possible grounded MAX8 until a fix is available if the 2nd crash was the same problem as Lion aircraft.
This extension could just possibly be a normal seasonal schedule change for Thanksgiving flying.
Planned 700 retirements also rumored to be on hold until further notice.
Hearts and prayers to those affected and loss of life from the 2 accidents.
I personally think WN should take the high road and temporarily ground the aircraft until the information from the crash is reported by the NTSB.
Flyguy
STLflyer wrote:stl07 wrote:Wn will dehub Bna, Stl, and mdw to hub up mci since the new airport will be opening soon, according to certain posters and people on Twitter
LOL. They haven't broken ground on the new terminal and AFAIK they haven't even figured out how they're going to pay for it. Not going to happen.
flydulles wrote:Southwest schedule due out 3/14/2019 what you all think we can expect? Should be interesting to see what they do!
stl07 wrote:Wn will dehub Bna, Stl, and mdw to hub up mci since the new airport will be opening soon, according to certain posters and people on Twitter
dbo861 wrote:wnflyguy wrote:AA737-823 wrote:
They're going to delay Hawaii service by basically AN YEAR to cover the MAX calamity?
Right.
Sure.
After all they delays they've already experienced, and thousands of tickets already sold.
I'n calling BS on that rumor!
This schedule release was supposed to add Inter Island LIH and non stops from SAN,SMF to Hawaii in MAY.
But with the possibility of a FAA grounding of the MAX8 from Political pressure. WN will use the 20 planned ETOPS 800's to cover the possible grounded MAX8 until a fix is available if the 2nd crash was the same problem as Lion aircraft.
This extension could just possibly be a normal seasonal schedule change for Thanksgiving flying.
Planned 700 retirements also rumored to be on hold until further notice.
Hearts and prayers to those affected and loss of life from the 2 accidents.
I personally think WN should take the high road and temporarily ground the aircraft until the information from the crash is reported by the NTSB.
Flyguy
This schedule only goes to November 2. Next release will be the Thanksgiving schedule.
It's just a one month extension during a slow time of year..don't expect much. If anything a few seasonal adds and maybe some additional Hawaii flying.
Super80Fan wrote:Cuts across the board as WN switches to an all A320 fleet per my sources.
blhp68 wrote:STLflyer wrote:stl07 wrote:Wn will dehub Bna, Stl, and mdw to hub up mci since the new airport will be opening soon, according to certain posters and people on Twitter
LOL. They haven't broken ground on the new terminal and AFAIK they haven't even figured out how they're going to pay for it. Not going to happen.
Groundbreaking is set for 3/25.
stl07 wrote:blhp68 wrote:STLflyer wrote:LOL. They haven't broken ground on the new terminal and AFAIK they haven't even figured out how they're going to pay for it. Not going to happen.
Groundbreaking is set for 3/25.
(sarcastic voice off) Good to hear. A new terminal is much needed for future growth, and the sooner, the better
ctrabs0114 wrote:stl07 wrote:blhp68 wrote:
Groundbreaking is set for 3/25.
(sarcastic voice off) Good to hear. A new terminal is much needed for future growth, and the sooner, the better
Would anyone put it past KC-MO government to mean March 25, 2020? Because that would be the most KC-MO thing ever. (I know in local Kansas City parlance, the preferred stylization for Kansas City, Missouri is "KCMO" but I intentionally added the hyphen to avoid people thinking that I was referring to some obscure American airport. But, the sarcasm still stands...)
usflyguy wrote:Bobloblaw wrote:Well availability is showing on their website. So they aren’t sold out. I’m seeing bookability on the return on March 19.
Poor choice of words... nearly sold out. There are less than a handful of seats left on the majority of flights.
Super80Fan wrote:Cuts across the board as WN switches to an all A320 fleet per my sources.
jplatts wrote:flydulles wrote:Southwest schedule due out 3/14/2019 what you all think we can expect? Should be interesting to see what they do!
I think that WN is likely to announce additional nonstop Hawaii routes in Thursday's schedule extension.
WN is also likely to announce the initial 737 MAX 7 routes in Thursday's schedule extension since WN will be taking delivery of the Boeing 737 MAX 7's later this year and since WN hasn't yet announced any initial Boeing 737 MAX 7 routes.
nine4nine wrote:Will be MAX7 be ETOPS certified?
jplatts wrote:nine4nine wrote:Will be MAX7 be ETOPS certified?
WN does not have any current plans to use MAX 7's on any nonstop routes to or from Hawaii. WN will very likely be using its MAX 7's on routes that do not require ETOPS-certified aircraft.
DAL-HOU will be one of the initial 737 MAX 7 routes. WN will primarily operate the 737 MAX 7 planes on routes within the contiguous U.S.
wnflyguy wrote:With the current MAX8 & 9 grounding Ordered by Trump. I wouldn't be surprised if WN pushed tomorrow schedule release for 30days.
Flyguy
tjwgrr wrote:wnflyguy wrote:With the current MAX8 & 9 grounding Ordered by Trump. I wouldn't be surprised if WN pushed tomorrow schedule release for 30days.
Flyguy
I was thinking the same thing. Grounding 5% of their fleet will force them to make some schedule modifications.
On March 18, 2019 we will open our schedule for sale through November 2, 2019. This date is subject to change! Please check back frequently.
SANFan wrote:Just seen on the schedules page on WN.com:On March 18, 2019 we will open our schedule for sale through November 2, 2019. This date is subject to change! Please check back frequently.
Monday it is... as of now.
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jplatts wrote:nine4nine wrote:Will be MAX7 be ETOPS certified?
WN does not have any current plans to use MAX 7's on any nonstop routes to or from Hawaii. WN will very likely be using its MAX 7's on routes that do not require ETOPS-certified aircraft.
DAL-HOU will be one of the initial 737 MAX 7 routes. WN will primarily operate the 737 MAX 7 planes on routes within the contiguous U.S.
We are currently accepting air reservations through October 1 , 2019. On March 15, 2019 we will open our schedule for sale through November 2, 2019. This date is subject to change! Please check back frequently.
dbo861 wrote:We are currently accepting air reservations through October 1 , 2019. On March 15, 2019 we will open our schedule for sale through November 2, 2019. This date is subject to change! Please check back frequently.
So now the schedule is coming out tomorrow?
dbo861 wrote:We are currently accepting air reservations through October 1 , 2019. On March 15, 2019 we will open our schedule for sale through November 2, 2019. This date is subject to change! Please check back frequently.
So now the schedule is coming out tomorrow?
SANFan wrote:dbo861 wrote:We are currently accepting air reservations through October 1 , 2019. On March 15, 2019 we will open our schedule for sale through November 2, 2019. This date is subject to change! Please check back frequently.
So now the schedule is coming out tomorrow?
Update at 7:30pm PDT, it STILL says the sked-extension will be issued tomorrow, March 15!
I suspect they had a few adjustments -- removal of the Max8s that they had included in the November sked extension (that couldn't be replaced with other available aircraft) -- and it looks like it didn't take that much effort or time to accomplish.
It will certainly be interesting to see what happens tomorrow!
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