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N292UX wrote:Doubt it. JFK is B6's main base and it is just down the road from ISP. There's no reason for them start flying to ISP when they have JFK right up the road. LGA and EWR are a little different, so there's a reason why they fly to those 2. ISP? A little different. I think B6 has a few other destinations they should focus on launching first, namely IND, STL, MCI, SAT, and CVG. Add TATL flights if they get approved for those with the A321neo. That'd include at least London, and most likely DUB. So if it ever does happen, it won't happen for a while.
N292UX wrote:Doubt it. JFK is B6's main base and it is just down the road from ISP. There's no reason for them start flying to ISP when they have JFK right up the road. LGA and EWR are a little different, so there's a reason why they fly to those 2. ISP? A little different. I think B6 has a few other destinations they should focus on launching first, namely IND, STL, MCI, SAT, and CVG. Add TATL flights if they get approved for those with the A321neo. That'd include at least London, and most likely DUB. So if it ever does happen, it won't happen for a while.
Blueknows wrote:So I’ve asked many times at meetings and isp is not on B6 plan. They want there customer to go to JFK. That’s there bread and butter. AMAZON just pulled out of Long Island city deal. So B6 lease is up soon so sure they will expand HQ. They want customers in JFk and create the whole experience. They are partners in the new TWA hotel. So ISP is not going to happen. So the ORH deal was an agreement with massport. They wanted to create a secondary Mass airport. B6 added ORH-JFK flights as a deal with massport to get more gates in BOS. B6 got insensitive to do ORH flights to help get fed money for runway and landing upgrades. Worked out better then the EAS bs going on right now.
Blueknows wrote:So I’ve asked many times at meetings and isp is not on B6 plan. They want there customer to go to JFK. That’s there bread and butter. AMAZON just pulled out of Long Island city deal. So B6 lease is up soon so sure they will expand HQ. They want customers in JFk and create the whole experience. They are partners in the new TWA hotel. So ISP is not going to happen. So the ORH deal was an agreement with massport. They wanted to create a secondary Mass airport. B6 added ORH-JFK flights as a deal with massport to get more gates in BOS. B6 got insensitive to do ORH flights to help get fed money for runway and landing upgrades. Worked out better then the EAS bs going on right now.
LetsGoOutside wrote:It would make perfect sense for B6 to serve ISP. There is a significant reservoir of population on Long Island (including quite a bit of money in the Hamptons...) and McArthur is more convenient than JFK for anybody living east of Levittown.
F27500 wrote:And lets add HVN (New Haven CT) to the wish list cities for JetBlue A220s!!
usxguy wrote:Does ISP have the traffic restrictions HPN does?
MHFCPA wrote:N292UX wrote:Doubt it. JFK is B6's main base and it is just down the road from ISP. There's no reason for them start flying to ISP when they have JFK right up the road. LGA and EWR are a little different, so there's a reason why they fly to those 2. ISP? A little different. I think B6 has a few other destinations they should focus on launching first, namely IND, STL, MCI, SAT, and CVG. Add TATL flights if they get approved for those with the A321neo. That'd include at least London, and most likely DUB. So if it ever does happen, it won't happen for a while.
JFK is not exactly "down the road" from ISP. It is 45-50 miles and is a one hour drive WITHOUT traffic, so it's more like 1.25 or 1.5 hours away if you factor in traffic delays. My point is, Long Islanders will drive to JFK or LGA to pay a lower fare, plain and simple. In fact, I have friends in Oceanside, which is much closer to JFK than it is to ISP, that often drive east to ISP, to take Frontier to FLL or MIA, to grab a lower airfare than they could get out of JFK or LGA. Until the price of an airline ticket out of ISP becomes the same as for the exact same flight out of JFK or LGA, ISP will continue to be an afterthought, or the last choice of departure airport. I want to see ISP grow and succeed also, but it will take a combination of competitive fares, extending runway 6-24 where there is land available at the northeast corner of the airport, and possibly improving connections from the LIE and LIRR to the main terminal.
INFINITI329 wrote:An airport with less than 20 daily flights and $70 million upgrades? I dont think so, there many other airports nationwide where this $70 million could be better spent.
airlineworker wrote:F27500 wrote:And lets add HVN (New Haven CT) to the wish list cities for JetBlue A220s!!
Got to say Chuck has done a lot for New York's small airports over the years, but where are CT's senators and congressmen regarding HVN?
richierich wrote:airlineworker wrote:F27500 wrote:And lets add HVN (New Haven CT) to the wish list cities for JetBlue A220s!!
Got to say Chuck has done a lot for New York's small airports over the years, but where are CT's senators and congressmen regarding HVN?
I don't want to hijack this thread with a rant about HVN but I will say that it apparently is an electric third-rail for CT politicians. In my opinion, a 1,000-1,500ft extension to the main runway would give potential for HVN-Florida flights, and all the riches that would give for the city and surrounding area, but that is not going to happen. More likely the airport closes down completely in the next 10 years than JetBlue (or WN, F9, Moxie) coming to town.
The HVN NIMBYs make all the noise, not the airport.
pbodyphoto wrote:If Islip wants to expand it is going to need a transit option to New York City. It can't thrive solely on Long Island based passengers.
pbodyphoto wrote:If Islip wants to expand it is going to need a transit option to New York City. It can't thrive solely on Long Island based passengers.
hz747300 wrote:However, you add nonstop, or limited stop, train service to Penn Station and Brooklyn, and Jamaica, then I think you have something.
hz747300 wrote:Is ISP far enough out to avoid the air traffic delays that JFK / LGA / EWR experience depending on the runways in use?
EAARbrat wrote:pbodyphoto wrote:If Islip wants to expand it is going to need a transit option to New York City. It can't thrive solely on Long Island based passengers.
That's laughable, ISP's LIRR transit link to NYC is about the same distance from its terminal as JFK's subway link is to its terminals.
Used ISP a bunch during the SW hayday it was and still is a pleasure. Smooth in and out, no crazy nonesensicle weather or air traffic related delays. It's just sad the main runway never got extended and that politics got in the way. Realistically ISP makes most sense for those living from roughly SOB/Route 110 and points east.
pbodyphoto wrote:Cool story bro. The LIRR may stop the same distance from the terminal but you don't need to take a taxi from Jamaica Station to JFK. There is also only hourly service to ISP versus every few minutes from JFK
N292UX wrote:Doubt it. JFK is B6's main base and it is just down the road from ISP. There's no reason for them start flying to ISP when they have JFK right up the road. LGA and EWR are a little different, so there's a reason why they fly to those 2. ISP? A little different. I think B6 has a few other destinations they should focus on launching first, namely IND, STL, MCI, SAT, and CVG. Add TATL flights if they get approved for those with the A321neo. That'd include at least London, and most likely DUB. So if it ever does happen, it won't happen for a while.
varsity wrote:I agree with the people who have said the first and likely only option you'd see B6 try from ISP is Florida... low risk, established market, and it would allow them to keep market share from the region on those routes while possibly using a few JFK slots for something more exciting.
I was wondering how F9 is doing load factor wise on those routes. They seem to like to move into these secondary airports and then quickly leave again (I'm thinking ILG) but is this one sticking?