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Dieuwer
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United in Mexico

Tue Feb 12, 2019 5:53 pm

Any reason UA flies IAH-OAX but not IAH-TGZ? Seems very strange to me. Same goes for AA.
 
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Re: United in Mexico

Tue Feb 12, 2019 6:03 pm

CO cut TGZ in 2008. It must have been performing particularly poorly as most of the other Mexican regional markets survived the recession and were cut more recently post-merger. UA also cut VSA. This leads me to believe that there is very little demand from this region of Mexico to the US and most of that demand is currently being captured by AM over MEX and the rest is being carried by Volaris and Interjet over MEX and their other focus cities.
 
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Re: United in Mexico

Tue Feb 12, 2019 6:05 pm

drdisque wrote:
CO cut TGZ in 2008. It must have been performing particularly poorly as most of the other Mexican regional markets survived the recession and were cut more recently post-merger. UA also cut VSA. This leads me to believe that there is very little demand from this region of Mexico to the US and most of that demand is currently being captured by AM over MEX and the rest is being carried by Volaris and Interjet over MEX and their other focus cities.


So you expect OAX to be cut as well in the (near) future?
 
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Re: United in Mexico

Tue Feb 12, 2019 6:29 pm

Dieuwer wrote:
drdisque wrote:
CO cut TGZ in 2008. It must have been performing particularly poorly as most of the other Mexican regional markets survived the recession and were cut more recently post-merger. UA also cut VSA. This leads me to believe that there is very little demand from this region of Mexico to the US and most of that demand is currently being captured by AM over MEX and the rest is being carried by Volaris and Interjet over MEX and their other focus cities.


So you expect OAX to be cut as well in the (near) future?


OAX has a great deal of tourist demand. VSA relied heavily on oil and gas drilling as did CME. TGZ didnt have either going for it.

Mexico has taken a HUGE hit on profitability across the board (from what Ive heard) with Volaris, Interjet, and Viva Aerobus expanding so much. But from what Ive heard MEX and GDL are hardest hit, not so much the smaller stations.
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Re: United in Mexico

Tue Feb 12, 2019 6:41 pm

LAXdude1023 wrote:
Dieuwer wrote:
drdisque wrote:
CO cut TGZ in 2008. It must have been performing particularly poorly as most of the other Mexican regional markets survived the recession and were cut more recently post-merger. UA also cut VSA. This leads me to believe that there is very little demand from this region of Mexico to the US and most of that demand is currently being captured by AM over MEX and the rest is being carried by Volaris and Interjet over MEX and their other focus cities.


So you expect OAX to be cut as well in the (near) future?


OAX has a great deal of tourist demand. VSA relied heavily on oil and gas drilling as did CME. TGZ didnt have either going for it.


I would have thought that San Cristobal de las Casas (TGZ) has more tourist demand than Oaxaca...
 
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Re: United in Mexico

Tue Feb 12, 2019 6:49 pm

Dieuwer wrote:
LAXdude1023 wrote:
Dieuwer wrote:

So you expect OAX to be cut as well in the (near) future?


OAX has a great deal of tourist demand. VSA relied heavily on oil and gas drilling as did CME. TGZ didnt have either going for it.


I would have thought that San Cristobal de las Casas (TGZ) has more tourist demand than Oaxaca...


OAX generates way more traffic to the US than TGZ does. One would conclude that would make OAX a bigger tourist site.
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Re: United in Mexico

Tue Feb 12, 2019 7:27 pm

Dieuwer wrote:
drdisque wrote:
CO cut TGZ in 2008. It must have been performing particularly poorly as most of the other Mexican regional markets survived the recession and were cut more recently post-merger. UA also cut VSA. This leads me to believe that there is very little demand from this region of Mexico to the US and most of that demand is currently being captured by AM over MEX and the rest is being carried by Volaris and Interjet over MEX and their other focus cities.


So you expect OAX to be cut as well in the (near) future?



You also have to remember that AA started OAX just a couple months ago. If the market didn't look good they would have picked somewhere else to put that airplane.
 
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Re: United in Mexico

Tue Feb 12, 2019 7:50 pm

qcpilotxf wrote:
Dieuwer wrote:
drdisque wrote:
CO cut TGZ in 2008. It must have been performing particularly poorly as most of the other Mexican regional markets survived the recession and were cut more recently post-merger. UA also cut VSA. This leads me to believe that there is very little demand from this region of Mexico to the US and most of that demand is currently being captured by AM over MEX and the rest is being carried by Volaris and Interjet over MEX and their other focus cities.


So you expect OAX to be cut as well in the (near) future?



You also have to remember that AA started OAX just a couple months ago. If the market didn't look good they would have picked somewhere else to put that airplane.


Unless AA gets a massive subsidy...
 
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Re: United in Mexico

Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:37 pm

Dieuwer wrote:
qcpilotxf wrote:
Dieuwer wrote:

So you expect OAX to be cut as well in the (near) future?



You also have to remember that AA started OAX just a couple months ago. If the market didn't look good they would have picked somewhere else to put that airplane.


Unless AA gets a massive subsidy...


Which they dont appear to be getting.
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Re: United in Mexico

Tue Feb 12, 2019 9:01 pm

UA has a pretty substantial Mexican market out of Houston--though they have axed a few routes (like Hermosillo). They are still in a good place.
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Re: United in Mexico

Tue Feb 12, 2019 10:08 pm

I suspect that OAX has a little more VFR traffic stringing it along than VSA or TGZ
 
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Re: United in Mexico

Wed Feb 13, 2019 1:52 am

Back in the Continental days IAH uses to have 39 destinations in México and no less than 8 frecuencies to MEX, today all that is pass. A lot of Mexicans used to fly from IAH to the world. However, this is not only related to economics or destinations but to the increasing difficulties to enter to the USA, customs and TSA. Long lines, lot of procedures, increasing cost of the red tape has a relevant influence on this. Aeromexico has captured a bunch of this international traffic in the recent years.

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