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Brussels Airlines cancels all flights ahead general strike

Fri Feb 08, 2019 6:27 pm

Brussels Airlines scrapped all its flights in anticipation of a national strike commencing on Feb 13th as it was likely to severely hit operations at its hub, Brussels Airport. The airline was to have run 222 flights.

The strike is expected to hit public transport, rail, shipping and air travel. With air traffic controllers set to join the walk out, it is likely that Belgian airspace will also be closed.

Similarly Leisure airline TUI fly reallocated 36 planned flights to and from Brussels to other airports in France and the Netherlands instead.

Link in English
https://www.dw.com/en/brussels-airlines ... a-47434751
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Re: Brussels Airlines cancels all flights ahead general strike

Fri Feb 08, 2019 6:52 pm

thank for the info I have a flight to brussel on the 13th. I'll have to rebook.
 
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Re: Brussels Airlines cancels all flights ahead general strike

Fri Feb 08, 2019 6:59 pm

Wow, so Brussels will just come to a screeching halt. Crazy.
 
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Re: Brussels Airlines cancels all flights ahead general strike

Fri Feb 08, 2019 8:17 pm

Let's hope passengers who need to rebook / reschedule are accommodated professionally and in reasonable time. Had a horrible first (and last!) experience with SN a month ago, with them failing to take responsibility for losing and damaging carry-on luggage for two days. Flights were uneventful, but their customer service representatives leave a lot to be desired, as well as management team.
 
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Re: Brussels Airlines cancels all flights ahead general strike

Fri Feb 08, 2019 8:38 pm

I am confused, is SN grounded because air traffic controllers are striking or are some of their own unions going on a strike as well?
 
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Re: Brussels Airlines cancels all flights ahead general strike

Sat Feb 09, 2019 1:03 am

Fantastic. Flying SN next weekend on my way to Douala...
 
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Re: Brussels Airlines cancels all flights ahead general strike

Sat Feb 09, 2019 1:34 am

Apparently all Transportation on strike:
https://www.eturbonews.com/244760/massi ... -next-week

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Re: Brussels Airlines cancels all flights ahead general strike

Sat Feb 09, 2019 1:43 am

Consumers always get told to vote with their feet/wallets, a strike is the same thing :)
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Re: Brussels Airlines cancels all flights ahead general strike

Sat Feb 09, 2019 3:14 pm

mercure1 wrote:
Similarly Leisure airline TUI fly reallocated 36 planned flights to and from Brussels to other airports in France and the Netherlands instead.


This might be the first time an airline has added service to France because of a strike. Irony at it's finest!
 
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Re: Brussels Airlines cancels all flights ahead general strike

Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:03 pm

CRL will be closed for the strike, expecting severe disruption in ATC and protests on the streets to/from the airport.
Ryanair has canceled all flights to/from both BRU and CRL.
Including Brussels Airlines', 75% of all flights scheduled for Wednesday at BRU are canceled as of now.
FedEx/TNT has made no decision yet however plans are ready to divert flights to CDG and CGN. Officially the strike starts Tuesday at 10 pm and ends 24 hours later, potentially affecting the LGG hub over two days.
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Belgian airspace to close for 24 hours

Tue Feb 12, 2019 4:26 pm

Due to a strike called by unions representing transport workers, Belgian airspace will be closed to all but emergency traffic for a 24-hour period starting at 2200 on Tuesday February 12.

The last-minute announcement is not as disruptive as it may appear, as airlines had anticipated the closure. CRL had already announced it would be closed to all traffic, and 75% of flights to/from BRU had already been canceled, including the entire schedule of Brussels Airlines, and Ryanair in Belgium.

Some delays are to be expected in AMS, PAR, and LON as a result of the closure.

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Re: Belgian airspace to close for 24 hours

Tue Feb 12, 2019 6:13 pm

That means all overflights are also diverted around Belgium? Western Germany, Northern France and Southeast UK sectors will be extremely busy handling the "reroutinga" from Scandinavia, Netherlands and Luxembourg as well as all the traffic from Asia towards UK usually passing Belgium, too.
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Re: Belgian airspace to close for 24 hours

Tue Feb 12, 2019 6:16 pm

stylo777 wrote:
That means all overflights are also diverted around Belgium? Western Germany and Southeast UK sectors will be extremely busy handling the "diversions" from Scandinavia, Netherlands and Luxembourg...


No EuroControl does overflying flights. But it won't be ideal.
For example, the approach for EIN is largely over Belgium and EuroControl only starts at a certain hight.
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Re: Brussels Airlines cancels all flights ahead general strike

Tue Feb 12, 2019 6:41 pm

All flights in/out of Belgium canceled for 24-hour period from 22:00 (21:00 GMT) today (Tuesday)

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-47211043
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Re: Belgian airspace to close for 24 hours

Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:16 pm

Well, we are currently in the time period mentioned in the reports, and the airspace around Brussels Airport is active with landing and departing aircraft. And the overflights are active as well. Check flightaware or Fightradar24.
 
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Re: Belgian airspace to close for 24 hours

Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:44 pm

RobertS975 wrote:
Well, we are currently in the time period mentioned in the reports, and the airspace around Brussels Airport is active with landing and departing aircraft. And the overflights are active as well. Check flightaware or Fightradar24.


You’re 40 Minutes early :-D

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Re: Belgian airspace to close for 24 hours

Tue Feb 12, 2019 9:30 pm

Belgian air space below 24,500 feet, a few minutes past 22:00 (UTC +1), no more air traffic except from a few aircraft heading to Luxembourg and Cologne, check Luxair LG4598 flying North of France to reach Luxembourg Airport.

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Re: Belgian airspace to close for 24 hours

Tue Feb 12, 2019 9:57 pm

I just traveled through Brussel and there were a lot of pissed pasengiers that I guess did not get the message. Must say Brussel airport is getting more chaotic every time I travel to Brussels. Even the vending machines have lines nowadays.
 
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Re: Belgian airspace to close for 24 hours

Wed Feb 13, 2019 2:39 am

Welp, if it got this far, I'm sure the controllers have good reason. What I've learned so far in aviation is that with few exceptions, "mob tactics" like causing major distruption are just about the only way to get an airport, airline, or aviation agency to cave in on anything. Otherwise they'd have every position outsourced at minimum wage with people who are "just happy to be there". Similar to how an ATC sick out at one facility abruptly ended the shut down and month of no-pay for controllers in the USA recently and a situation at a major airport here where 2 years of people essential to the operation asking to be paid similar to their peers at other major airports to no effect, but as soon as the airport found out it would be crippled for 24 hours, raises were implemented overnight. Magical how that money just appeared, eh?

Now of course, this kind of stuff should never be anything but a last resort. It is just sad that in the era of record profits across most of civil aviation, aviation management demands for more outsourcing and slashing or freezing of pay and benefits from those who bust their butts to make it all work. I hope the world is a different place in the next 20 years and reasonable requests get reasonable response(mind you I do not advocate for abusing this system with unrealistic demands) so we can avoid the majority of these situations.
 
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Re: Belgian airspace to close for 24 hours

Wed Feb 13, 2019 8:23 am

Some interesting re-routings:

- Air Europa B788 MAD-AMS:

https://www.flightradar24.com/AEA1091/1f7b8e27


- Eurowings A332 PUJ-DUS:

https://www.flightradar24.com/EWG1141/1f7b0166


- TUI B738 EIN-LPA:

https://www.flightradar24.com/TFL71K/1f7bbd8a
 
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Re: Belgian airspace to close for 24 hours

Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:25 am

Strange that other flights seem to be crossing Belgian airspace.
 
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Re: Belgian airspace to close for 24 hours

Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:39 am

factsonly wrote:
Some interesting re-routings:

- Air Europa B788 MAD-AMS:

https://www.flightradar24.com/AEA1091/1f7b8e27


- Eurowings A332 PUJ-DUS:

https://www.flightradar24.com/EWG1141/1f7b0166


- TUI B738 EIN-LPA:

https://www.flightradar24.com/TFL71K/1f7bbd8a



I find this one quite 'nice'...
https://www.flightradar24.com/EWG16B/1f7bc596
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Re: Belgian airspace to close for 24 hours

Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:40 am

Belgium airspace managed by Belgian controllers is from ground level up to something like FL250. From FL250 and up, it is managed along with adjacent airspace by Eurocontrol Maastricht. Thus aircraft overflying Belgium at FL250 and above are unaffected by Belgian ATC strike actions
 
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Re: Belgian airspace to close for 24 hours

Wed Feb 13, 2019 11:16 am

330lover wrote:


I find this one quite 'nice'...
https://www.flightradar24.com/EWG16B/1f7bc596



Great example........

Here is the same aircraft on its outbound flight DUS-CDG.

It literally detoured to climb over BELGOCONTROL airspace, using EUROCONTROL Airspace:

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flig ... 8#1f7b94be
 
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Re: Belgian airspace to close for 24 hours

Wed Feb 13, 2019 11:20 am

bennett123 wrote:
Strange that other flights seem to be crossing Belgian airspace.


as said, <25000ft you have to reroute to land at some near-belgium airports. Such as DUS, LUX or EIN.
They have to reroute to climb to >25000ft after which EUROcontrol takes over and overflying of belgium is possible,.
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Re: Belgian airspace to close for 24 hours

Wed Feb 13, 2019 11:33 am

Customer service is appalling in Belgium and compared to other countries most employees have very good conditions - for example it is almost impossible to fire people - however they still desire more. It should be noted that the action is part of a national strike affecting the entire country. That said most people have been scared into staying at home so my drive to work this morning was the quickest and quietest on record I think!
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Re: Belgian airspace to close for 24 hours

Wed Feb 13, 2019 12:02 pm

Flights that to be operated today:
SN1278 Lomé – Accra
SN1278 Accra – Brussels
SN1482 Toronto – Brussels
SN1465 Kigali – Entebbe
SN1465 Entebbe – Brussels
SN1202 Dakar – Brussels
SN1300 Cotonou – Abidjan
SN1300 Abidjan - Brussels
SN1224 Conakry – Banjul
SN1224 Banjul – Brussels
SN1372 Yaoundé – Douala
SN1372 Douala – Brussels
According to: https://www.brusselsairlines.com/en-us/ ... etail.aspx
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Re: Belgian airspace to close for 24 hours

Wed Feb 13, 2019 12:05 pm

Wynnster8 wrote:
Flights that to be operated today:
SN1278 Lomé – Accra
SN1278 Accra – Brussels
SN1482 Toronto – Brussels
SN1465 Kigali – Entebbe
SN1465 Entebbe – Brussels
SN1202 Dakar – Brussels
SN1300 Cotonou – Abidjan
SN1300 Abidjan - Brussels
SN1224 Conakry – Banjul
SN1224 Banjul – Brussels
SN1372 Yaoundé – Douala
SN1372 Douala – Brussels
According to: https://www.brusselsairlines.com/en-us/ ... etail.aspx


But how?! Airspace is shut.
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Re: Belgian airspace to close for 24 hours

Wed Feb 13, 2019 12:10 pm

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Re: Belgian airspace to close for 24 hours

Wed Feb 13, 2019 2:16 pm

Etthopian routed a Max8 non-stop to MANt today avoiding the normal BRU stopover
 
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Re: Belgian airspace to close for 24 hours

Wed Feb 13, 2019 2:55 pm

Wynnster8 wrote:
Flights that to be operated today:
SN1278 Lomé – Accra
SN1278 Accra – Brussels
SN1482 Toronto – Brussels
SN1465 Kigali – Entebbe
SN1465 Entebbe – Brussels
SN1202 Dakar – Brussels
SN1300 Cotonou – Abidjan
SN1300 Abidjan - Brussels
SN1224 Conakry – Banjul
SN1224 Banjul – Brussels
SN1372 Yaoundé – Douala
SN1372 Douala – Brussels
According to: https://www.brusselsairlines.com/en-us/ ... etail.aspx


Simple, aircraft stayed 24 hours in Africa and are resuming the return flight today, to arrive in BRU tomorrow morning when airspace / airport is open again.

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