2 Kenya Airways E-190 aircraft collide at JKIA.

ikolkyo · Sat Feb 09, 2019 4:20 pm

Two Kenya Airways Embraer ERJ-190 aircraft collide on the ground at JKIA.

Reg 5Y-KYR jumped off chocks while on ground run, crew tried to steer it from hitting hangar walls, hit parked plane Reg 5Y-FFF.

Both aircraft badly damaged, 5Y-KYR will be out of service for a long time

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travaz · Sat Feb 09, 2019 4:25 pm

That looks pretty bad. Write off?

B787register · Sat Feb 09, 2019 4:26 pm

I would say both are written off

Q · Sat Feb 09, 2019 4:30 pm

Oh, smack my head. I felt sorry for Kenya Airways had 2 losses so quickly! They would have to cut frequency flights in overall systems.

Q

Q · Sat Feb 09, 2019 4:50 pm

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What do you think of this? My idea. LOL I know expensive better than damaged or prevent injured or being explode or anything. It should install in the run up area only.

Q

ltbewr · Sat Feb 09, 2019 5:00 pm

Somebody didn't follow proper procedure and may lose their job.
I doubt any structural damage, only skin, but depending on the age of the aircraft, residual value, cost to insurers for the claim they may be repairable and back in the air sometime in a few months.

TWA772LR · Sat Feb 09, 2019 5:35 pm

That will buff out

Armodeen · Sat Feb 09, 2019 6:58 pm

Holy moly! I was thinking it would be a regular wing tip bump but nope, collide is the right word it turns out

Spacepope · Sat Feb 09, 2019 7:13 pm

That'll be expensive to fix. Wonder where the wingtip of YR is? Hopefully not somewhere inside the cabin of FF.

MileHFL400 · Sat Feb 09, 2019 7:39 pm

Wellllll it looks like the long anticipated E 2 order will be made sooner rather than later. Was this near the terminal or at the MX hanger?

KICT · Sat Feb 09, 2019 7:40 pm

hangar*

many321 · Sat Feb 09, 2019 7:44 pm

Oh boy. Someone is going to get their butts chewed off. Though, this is an apt descriptor of two 'colliding' aircraft's. If the costs are too much I could see Embraer getting excited since someone is about to get some E2s.

Aesma · Sat Feb 09, 2019 8:02 pm

Wow !

I also want to see where the right wing of 5Y-KYR is.

kjeld0d · Sat Feb 09, 2019 8:13 pm

ikolkyo wrote:
crew tried to steer it from hitting hangar walls, hit parked plane Reg 5Y-FFF.

Always the best thing to do when one expensive vehicle is out of control-- steer it into the other expensive vehicle.

Armodeen · Sat Feb 09, 2019 8:15 pm

It looks as if YR's wing is over the top of FFs wing and may have not penetrated the cabin.

There is also damage to the port side of YR from something.

SXDFC · Sat Feb 09, 2019 8:26 pm

What are the red marks on YR? It appears on the nose gear of YR has some red smears.. Is that perhaps blood?

Q · Sat Feb 09, 2019 8:40 pm

SXDFC wrote:
What are the red marks on YR? It appears on the nose gear of YR has some red smears.. Is that perhaps blood?

NTSB is taking DNA blood who did it. :rotfl:

Q

MileHFL400 · Sat Feb 09, 2019 8:56 pm

KYR is 7 years old, and on lease. Will it really renter service with KQ?

aemoreira1981 · Sat Feb 09, 2019 9:04 pm

It could be at least a year before either returns to service. 5Y-FFF is owned but 5Y-KYR is leased by Air Lease Corporation. I expect that an additional E190 will be leased in soon...possibly an ex-Air Canada frame.

How does a plane jump chocks?

acjbbj · Sat Feb 09, 2019 9:07 pm

aemoreira1981 wrote:
It could be at least a year before either returns to service. 5Y-FFF is owned but 5Y-KYR is leased by Air Lease Corporation. I expect that an additional E190 will be leased in soon...possibly an ex-Air Canada frame.

How does a plane jump chocks?

A plane jumps the chocks when the chocks themselves weren't properly set.

7673mech · Sat Feb 09, 2019 9:30 pm

SXDFC wrote:
What are the red marks on YR? It appears on the nose gear of YR has some red smears.. Is that perhaps blood?

All their ground equipment has red on it .....

eamondzhang · Sat Feb 09, 2019 10:11 pm

ltbewr wrote:
Somebody didn't follow proper procedure and may lose their job.
I doubt any structural damage, only skin, but depending on the age of the aircraft, residual value, cost to insurers for the claim they may be repairable and back in the air sometime in a few months.

When the engine on one a/c is at least severely damaged up front? It can't be only the nacelle that took the damage given what's seen from the photo. Not to mention the wing and undercarriage damage.

It might not necessarily be a write-off for both but it will be a very costly repair.

Michael

RWA380 · Sat Feb 09, 2019 10:50 pm

eamondzhang wrote:
ltbewr wrote:
Somebody didn't follow proper procedure and may lose their job.
I doubt any structural damage, only skin, but depending on the age of the aircraft, residual value, cost to insurers for the claim they may be repairable and back in the air sometime in a few months.

When the engine on one a/c is at least severely damaged up front? It can't be only the nacelle that took the damage given what's seen from the photo. Not to mention the wing and undercarriage damage.

It might not necessarily be a write-off for both but it will be a very costly repair.

Michael

Of course there are a myriad of mitigating factors, but the UA 747 that blew the cargo door out of HNL & sucked J passengers out, was returned to service after the engines injested debris & the hole was repaired. This is far less damage, but these don’t cost what a 747 does. Bottom line, is it more cost effective to replace or repair, is the only question that will determine the fate of these aircraft, hopefully KQ won’t suffer much with 2 out of service planes.

outbackair · Sat Feb 09, 2019 11:33 pm

Q wrote:
SXDFC wrote:
What are the red marks on YR? It appears on the nose gear of YR has some red smears.. Is that perhaps blood?

NTSB is taking DNA blood who did it.

Q

Please explain why the NTSB would be involved. The world is not American!

Spacepope · Sun Feb 10, 2019 12:29 am

outbackair wrote:
Q wrote:
SXDFC wrote:
What are the red marks on YR? It appears on the nose gear of YR has some red smears.. Is that perhaps blood?

NTSB is taking DNA blood who did it.

Q

Please explain why the NTSB would be involved. The world is not American!

Because the engine manufacturer is American. Or do you have some recent insider info that the rules have changed?

KICT · Sun Feb 10, 2019 4:49 am

Stunning incompetence and hopefully heads will roll in short order. Reminds me of the Delta 737-700 that went off the taxiway and over the "cliff" during a run up.
...never run up a jet facing another, or facing towards off the edge of a steep hill.

747Whale · Sun Feb 10, 2019 5:04 am

Spacepope wrote:
Because the engine manufacturer is American. Or do you have some recent insider info that the rules have changed?

The "rules" haven't changed at all. Mishap investigations are conducted within and by the country where the mishap occurred. It's possible that the NTSB might be invited to participate, but they have no right, nor jurisdiction. This is a matter for Kenyan authority. Where the engines were. manufactured is irrelevant.

This appears to be a case of mishandling by the crew doing the engine run; if the aircraft jumped the chocks, it should have been powered down and braking performed right away. Unless an engine ran away, it's not an engine problem. It's possible an engine manufacturer might be pulled in, but only if there's an engine problem. Neither the NTSB nor the engine manufacturer have any authority beyond whatever invitation that the Kenyan's extend.

acjbbj wrote:
aemoreira1981 wrote:

How does a plane jump chocks?

A plane jumps the chocks when the chocks themselves weren't properly set.

An aircraft jumps chocks when the brakes aren't set. Chocks are backups for safety, but aren't what's holding the aircraft during an engine run.

ltbewr wrote:
I doubt any structural damage, only skin, but depending on the age of the aircraft, residual value, cost to insurers for the claim they may be repairable and back in the air sometime in a few months.

Clearly there is substantial damage, and there's clear structural damage.

Q wrote:

What do you think of this? My idea. LOL I know expensive better than damaged or prevent injured or being explode or anything. It should install in the run up area only.

Q

The design makes sense as providing additional resistance against movement, but there's a reason that brakes aren't put on nosewheels. In the case of the runup, wheel brakes need to be set: they're the primary means of preventing the aircraft from moving during the engine run. Mooring straps, barriers, wheel chocks, and other backups are just that. If an object is placed in front of the nosegear to hold the airplane and an engine run performed without wheel brakes set, an excess load will be placed on the nose gear.

99 to 1 they didn't set the brakes for this engine run.

ZaphodHarkonnen · Sun Feb 10, 2019 6:44 am

SXDFC wrote:
What are the red marks on YR? It appears on the nose gear of YR has some red smears.. Is that perhaps blood?

Likely to be "no tow" markings. You can see them on many nosewheel doors telling those toeing the angles to never exceed when turning. You can see the same red lines here.

Balerit · Sun Feb 10, 2019 3:35 pm

This happened to us way back on one of our A300's. The wheels were chocked correctly and the park brake set. The problem was that the engines were pretty powerful and these modern aircraft are very light and with takeoff power on one engine and balance power on the other is enough to drag the aircraft over the chocks. In our case the GPU was the only thing hit.

The solution was twofold: one they manufactured special steel chocks that were half the height of the tyre with the base plate of the chocks being made long enough so that the aircraft could be pulled onto the chock thus using the aircraft weight to hold it in place. secondly the engineer in the right hand seat would apply full brake pressure to the brakes by applying force on the brake pedals.

The idea posted above using a mechanism against the nose wheel won't work, it may even snap the nose gear off if the aircraft should jump forward

musman9853 · Sun Feb 10, 2019 5:10 pm

Armodeen wrote:
It looks as if YR's wing is over the top of FFs wing and may have not penetrated the cabin.

There is also damage to the port side of YR from something.

How does this happen... those pics are damning.

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