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Early WN 73Gs

Sat Feb 09, 2019 2:26 pm

I flew on Ship 701 yesterday and was really surprised at the good condition that it is in given its age. I did have a couple of questions about registrations of the first 73Gs:

1) WN uses the vast majority of ship numbers in the early 700s, but as far as I can tell there was never a 702. Why?

2) Why do the registrations for 700 and 701 end in GS? I understand SW (duh), SA (the next "closest" when SW wasn't available), HK (Herb Kelleher), and CB (Colleen Barrett). Was GS a person?
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Re: Early WN 73Gs

Sat Feb 09, 2019 2:36 pm

Wasn't 702 damaged in the LGA accident?
I could be wrong but Sometimes when the aircraft been involved in an accident if it's fixed it gets a new registration number.

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Re: Early WN 73Gs

Sat Feb 09, 2019 2:42 pm

wnflyguy wrote:
Wasn't 702 damaged in the LGA accident?
I could be wrong but Sometimes when the aircraft been involved in an accident if it's fixed it gets a new registration number.

Flyguy


772 was the LGA aircraft and they have not reregistered it.

They did reregister 471 (to 286 IIRC) after 1248 at MDW.
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Re: Early WN 73Gs

Sat Feb 09, 2019 2:47 pm

Cubsrule wrote:
772 was the LGA aircraft and they have not reregistered it.


N753SW was the aircraft that operated WN345 that had a nose gear collapse at LGA 5 years ago. It was indeed written off.
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Re: Early WN 73Gs

Sat Feb 09, 2019 2:49 pm

Cubsrule wrote:
wnflyguy wrote:
Wasn't 702 damaged in the LGA accident?
I could be wrong but Sometimes when the aircraft been involved in an accident if it's fixed it gets a new registration number.

Flyguy


772 was the LGA aircraft and they have not reregistered it.

They did reregister 471 (to 286 IIRC) after 1248

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Re: Early WN 73Gs

Sat Feb 09, 2019 3:02 pm

KLMatSJC wrote:
Cubsrule wrote:
772 was the LGA aircraft and they have not reregistered it.


N753SW was the aircraft that operated WN345 that had a nose gear collapse at LGA 5 years ago. It was indeed written off.


You are correct. 772 was the PHL engine accident aircraft.
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Re: Early WN 73Gs

Sat Feb 09, 2019 5:01 pm

KLMatSJC wrote:
Cubsrule wrote:
772 was the LGA aircraft and they have not reregistered it.


N753SW was the aircraft that operated WN345 that had a nose gear collapse at LGA 5 years ago. It was indeed written off.


"nose gear collapse" is a polite way of putting it ... the nose gear was shoved up through the floor of the EE bay.
 
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Re: Early WN 73Gs

Sat Feb 09, 2019 5:13 pm

Without wishing to sound too pedantic, there are no 73Gs in the WN fleet - 73G refers to a 737-700 without winglets. 73W is the correct IATA code.
 
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Re: Early WN 73Gs

Sat Feb 09, 2019 5:19 pm

digitalcloud wrote:
Without wishing to sound too pedantic.


Not to worry, you did!
 
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Re: Early WN 73Gs

Sat Feb 09, 2019 5:19 pm

digitalcloud wrote:
Without wishing to sound too pedantic, there are no 73Gs in the WN fleet - 73G refers to a 737-700 without winglets. 73W is the correct IATA code.


Without wishing to sound too pedantic, every aircraft about which I inquired was a 73G at delivery.
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Re: Early WN 73Gs

Sat Feb 09, 2019 5:37 pm

jetero wrote:
digitalcloud wrote:
Without wishing to sound too pedantic.


Not to worry, you did!
Thought so.
Cubsrule wrote:
digitalcloud wrote:
Without wishing to sound too pedantic, there are no 73Gs in the WN fleet - 73G refers to a 737-700 without winglets. 73W is the correct IATA code.


Without wishing to sound too pedantic, every aircraft about which I inquired was a 73G at delivery.
Fair point.
 
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Re: Early WN 73Gs

Sat Feb 09, 2019 5:38 pm

Cubsrule wrote:
digitalcloud wrote:
Without wishing to sound too pedantic, there are no 73Gs in the WN fleet - 73G refers to a 737-700 without winglets. 73W is the correct IATA code.


Without wishing to sound too pedantic, every aircraft about which I inquired was a 73G at delivery.


Not to worry, you just did, too!!!
 
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Re: Early WN 73Gs

Sat Feb 09, 2019 6:57 pm

There is not a 702 because at the time the early 700’s were delivered there was a 300 series with the 702 registration.
 
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Re: Early WN 73Gs

Sat Feb 09, 2019 7:08 pm

N702ML was a -200. It took me about 15 seconds to determine that.
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Re: Early WN 73Gs

Sat Feb 09, 2019 7:16 pm

For some reason WN skipped around on some of the numbers. 702, 721, and 722 at the time were assigned to a -200 they got from the original Midway. For some other unknown reasons they have also skipped over 393 with the -300s, and for some reason 8304 doesn’t exist on the -800s. For obvious superstitious reasons, they’ve omitted 666, and 8666.

I’ve always thought of “GS” as “Generation Second” after the N7** birds were delivered, SWA used the “WN” code for the rest of the -700 deliveries.

Here’s a “fun fact,” every -700 from N700 all the way to N474 had to get its winglets installed after the production process. N475 and on all had the winglets pre installed before the production process. (Winglets were already attached to a/c at the time of wing assembly to the aircraft)
 
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Re: Early WN 73Gs

Sat Feb 09, 2019 9:58 pm

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N702ML was a -200. It took me about 15 seconds to determine that.


You are right—I knew that but had a Senior Moment!
 
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Re: Early WN 73Gs

Sat Feb 09, 2019 10:13 pm

Why did Southwest go from N(number)SW to N(number)WN? As in, why'd they stop registering the planes with "SW"? I genuinely have no clue.

Also, is N707SA the oldest 737NG aircraft currently flying?
 
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Re: Early WN 73Gs

Sat Feb 09, 2019 10:26 pm

Veigar wrote:
Why did Southwest go from N(number)SW to N(number)WN? As in, why'd they stop registering the planes with "SW"? I genuinely have no clue.

Also, is N707SA the oldest 737NG aircraft currently flying?


Skywest has and has a lot of -SW registered aircraft.

And yes, 707 is the first 73G.
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Re: Early WN 73Gs

Sat Feb 09, 2019 10:28 pm

Veigar wrote:
Why did Southwest go from N(number)SW to N(number)WN? As in, why'd they stop registering the planes with "SW"? I genuinely have no clue.

Also, is N707SA the oldest 737NG aircraft currently flying?


Yes N707SA is the oldest 700 flying for SWA or anyone else for that matter as it was the prototype. However the first 700 in service was N700GS which is the high time 700 anywhere in the world.
 
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Re: Early WN 73Gs

Sat Feb 09, 2019 10:33 pm

A lot of aircraft in 1999 were registered completely different to SA/WN/SW:

N737JW
N757LV
N761RR
N797WX

N781WN seems to be the first aircraft with the "WN" registration, eh? Still don't get why they went from SW to WN for registrations.
 
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Re: Early WN 73Gs

Sun Feb 10, 2019 3:57 am

Veigar wrote:
Why did Southwest go from N(number)SW to N(number)WN? As in, why'd they stop registering the planes with "SW"? I genuinely have no clue.



Sequential [three-numeric] + "WN" was more readily available than [three-numeric] + "SW". The SW suffix seems to be popular for "vanity" registrations.
 
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Re: Early WN 73Gs

Sun Feb 10, 2019 4:04 am

n471wn wrote:
Veigar wrote:
Why did Southwest go from N(number)SW to N(number)WN? As in, why'd they stop registering the planes with "SW"? I genuinely have no clue.

Also, is N707SA the oldest 737NG aircraft currently flying?


Yes N707SA is the oldest 700 flying for SWA or anyone else for that matter as it was the prototype. However the first 700 in service was N700GS which is the high time 700 anywhere in the world.

Which should have around 72000 hours on it about now. Not too terribly high.
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Re: Early WN 73Gs

Sun Feb 10, 2019 5:35 am

Veigar wrote:
N781WN seems to be the first aircraft with the "WN" registration, eh? Still don't get why they went from SW to WN for registrations.



Actually it wasn’t. I believe N610WN had the honors of being the first A/C with the WN registration. There were a few -300s with the “WN” prefix. I suppose SWA didn’t need to use the WN prefix until they realized most of their future tail numbers (N4**) at the time were probably assigned the SW prefix by Skywest.

Looks like the three digit tail number days on new airplanes are a thing of the past now. From here on out it will be the following

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Re: Early WN 73Gs

Mon Feb 11, 2019 8:32 pm

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Looks like the three digit tail number days on new airplanes are a thing of the past now. From here on out it will be the following

N8701-N88** (737-8MAX)
N7201-N7230 (737-7MAX)


All of the -800s have four digit tail numbers (8301-8329, 8501-8699) as do most of the second-hand -700s (7811-7859).
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Re: Early WN 73Gs

Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:45 pm

Veigar wrote:
Why did Southwest go from N(number)SW to N(number)WN? As in, why'd they stop registering the planes with "SW"? I genuinely have no clue.

Also, is N707SA the oldest 737NG aircraft currently flying?



While I can’t say with absolute certainty, it may be because the sequence of 3-digit numbers followed by SW was already taken by GA aircraft, or another company’s plane (as someone mentioned, SkyWest also has SW as a suffix in many of their planes).

This appears to be the case at B6, where the suffix JB has had to be supplemented with JL, JT, JE, and recently, JQ (that suffix is applied to one of their newest Core 321s: N999JQ). It’s entirely possible that the same number followed by JB was already registered elsewhere.

For Southwest, the choice of WN as a suffix makes perfect sense, as that is its IATA code.
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Re: Early WN 73Gs

Tue Feb 12, 2019 3:05 am

n471wn wrote:
There is not a 702 because at the time the early 700’s were delivered there was a 300 series with the 702 registration.


It was actually a -200 N702ML from Midway Airlines and before that Air Florida....
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Re: Early WN 73Gs

Tue Feb 12, 2019 3:08 am

Veigar wrote:
A lot of aircraft in 1999 were registered completely different to SA/WN/SW:

N737JW
N757LV
N761RR
N797WX

N781WN seems to be the first aircraft with the "WN" registration, eh? Still don't get why they went from SW to WN for registrations.


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N761RR was was former VP Governmental Affairs Ron Ricks
N757LV was for LUV
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Re: Early WN 73Gs

Tue Feb 12, 2019 3:37 am

ctrabs0114 wrote:
SXDFC wrote:
Looks like the three digit tail number days on new airplanes are a thing of the past now. From here on out it will be the following

N8701-N88** (737-8MAX)
N7201-N7230 (737-7MAX)


All of the -800s have four digit tail numbers (8301-8329, 8501-8699) as do most of the second-hand -700s (7811-7859).


Correct. It breaks down something like this:

N7XXSW/SA/Several other letter combinations - first 73Gs

N2/5/5/9XXWN/LV - Remaining -7H4s and a few secondhand -700s

N7XXXX - Secondhand 73Gs and MAX7s. The only letter is the final one, and they seem to be random with some preference for letters early in the alphabet. The letters are something like the "filler" numbers in CO and UA registrations; they don't have any correlation to fleet numbers or much correlation with anything else.

N8XXXX - -800s and MAX8s. They work just like the N7XXXX fleet numbering.
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Re: Early WN 73Gs

Tue Feb 12, 2019 4:05 am

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ctrabs0114 wrote:
SXDFC wrote:
Looks like the three digit tail number days on new airplanes are a thing of the past now. From here on out it will be the following

N8701-N88** (737-8MAX)
N7201-N7230 (737-7MAX)


All of the -800s have four digit tail numbers (8301-8329, 8501-8699) as do most of the second-hand -700s (7811-7859).



Close but there is actually one 800 that was reregistered to a 3 digit registration. I believe its N500WR. Something abt a Boeing rep and his 500th or something like that.
 
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Re: Early WN 73Gs

Tue Feb 12, 2019 4:18 am

mwmav8r01 wrote:
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ctrabs0114 wrote:
SXDFC wrote:
Looks like the three digit tail number days on new airplanes are a thing of the past now. From here on out it will be the following

N8701-N88** (737-8MAX)
N7201-N7230 (737-7MAX)


All of the -800s have four digit tail numbers (8301-8329, 8501-8699) as do most of the second-hand -700s (7811-7859).



Close but there is actually one 800 that was reregistered to a 3 digit registration. I believe its N500WR. Something abt a Boeing rep and his 500th or something like that.



Based on this thread (post #5),here is the specific reason:

This airplane is in honor of William Rogers, hes a WN Representative at Boeing. N8636E was the 500th airplane that he has handled for WN, so in honor they re-registered N8636E to N500WR , and kept the tail number 500. Some of you may remember that none of the actual 500 series A/C ever wore the tail number 500.
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