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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Sun Feb 03, 2019 3:58 am

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Dreamliner definitely coming to Sydney. Sydney to Hong Kong (QQ117/118) will be dreamliner 6 days a week from March 30 i think


QF127/128 but yes 6 days a week from end March (1 day is 333) and will be A380 in peak times.

This 787 is coming straight from QF29/30 that will revert back to 333. This is not an additional frame.


Speaking of which today’s QF29 has been cancelled result VH-OEG mechanical issues (B744 Ops in lieu B789). Appears as though VH-OEF is currently enroute positioning SYD-HKG to form the QF30. Qantas are still down 1 x B789 VH-ZNG which has been damaged by ground equipment & pending repairs.

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QF29 was cancelled yesterday as well. I saw that a 747 was positioning SYD-HKG and wondered why (I assumed it was for maintenance) but it makes you wonder why they cancelled QF29 and positioned an empty 747 SYD-HKG instead of positioning it to MEL and operating QF29 with a delay.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Sun Feb 03, 2019 4:03 am

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Just wanted to highlight that QF still seems content to focus on SYD.

I know this has been discussed but logistically I'm questioning the remaining 787 deliveries and where they are going to go. I just cannot see how they won't touch SYD at all. With the remaining 744s set to leave the company in the next year or two how will they maintain the current 744 routes let alone expand.

And I see SYD-YVR is being made Canadian Winter seasonal only now. No flights in July or August this year.



Dreamliner definitely coming to Sydney. Sydney to Hong Kong (QQ117/118) will be dreamliner 6 days a week from March 30 i think


QF127/128 but yes 6 days a week from end March (1 day is 333) and will be A380 in peak times.

This 787 is coming straight from QF29/30 that will revert back to 333. This is not an additional frame.


The reason it is 6x is that QF97/98 will be operated by a 787 one day per week

This doesn't make any sense from a product consistency perspective, especially as Premium Economy will probably have relatively low loads on QF97/98 as it is only a feasible option if you want to fly on the day operated by a 787 in both directions. I guess you could route via SYD in one direction but I'd have honestly thought that it would have made more sense to operate 7x SYD.

The only reason I can think why they are doing this is to bridge a 787 into BNE, which they currently do via MEL/LAX. Without getting too far into conspiracy theories, that could suggest that QF95/96 will be cancelled if/when the AA JBA is approved and AA launch MEL-LAX.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Sun Feb 03, 2019 5:20 am

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The only reason I can think why they are doing this is to bridge a 787 into BNE, which they currently do via MEL/LAX.


They are doing it to rotate 787s into SYD in the short-term but longer term I can certainly see what you are thinking. LAX doesn’t always have to be the overlap in the network.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Sun Feb 03, 2019 5:39 am

Would think there will be slowly bringing in more 789s in to Sydney to do the Chile & South Africa legs when the 744s head to the graveyard
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Sun Feb 03, 2019 6:21 am

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Would think there will be slowly bringing in more 789s in to Sydney to do the Chile & South Africa legs when the 744s head to the graveyard



Or if the QF/AA joint venture gets up maybe LAX goes all 787 and Chile and JNB get the A380. It'll be interesting to see what they do.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Sun Feb 03, 2019 6:26 am

Sydscott wrote:
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Would think there will be slowly bringing in more 789s in to Sydney to do the Chile & South Africa legs when the 744s head to the graveyard



Or if the QF/AA joint venture gets up maybe LAX goes all 787 and Chile and JNB get the A380. It'll be interesting to see what they do.


I doubt JNB & SCL will be upgauged to A380’s. Would be interesting though to see how these 2 routes pan out once we say farewell to the B747.

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Sun Feb 03, 2019 7:06 am

Sydscott wrote:
Captdasbomb wrote:
Would think there will be slowly bringing in more 789s in to Sydney to do the Chile & South Africa legs when the 744s head to the graveyard



Or if the QF/AA joint venture gets up maybe LAX goes all 787 and Chile and JNB get the A380. It'll be interesting to see what they do.


I could see DFW going 789 in the future but LAX would seem a push to go all 789 particularly as their is no real need to offer frequency to LAX, while DFW will imo eventually get a MEL or BNE service with a project sunrise for MEL or a 789 for BNE meaning the SYD service could downguage a little.

Hard to say what goes to JNB/SCL, both seem to operate with fairly high load factors on 744s, SCL is only 4-5 weekly though so a daily 789, maybe with a seasonal upgauge to an A380 a few days a week?

JNB will eventually be served from PER in addition to SYD and maybe CPT aswell? Daily 789 replaces 744 ex SYD with a seasonal PER service on an A330?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Sun Feb 03, 2019 8:10 am

EK413 wrote:
Sydscott wrote:
Captdasbomb wrote:
Would think there will be slowly bringing in more 789s in to Sydney to do the Chile & South Africa legs when the 744s head to the graveyard



Or if the QF/AA joint venture gets up maybe LAX goes all 787 and Chile and JNB get the A380. It'll be interesting to see what they do.


I doubt JNB & SCL will be upgauged to A380’s. Would be interesting though to see how these 2 routes pan out once we say farewell to the B747.

EK413


NZ use an 77E to EZE and LA uses an 789 to SCL it’s defiantly possible, just requires the airline to have earned the full EDTO rating for it to happen.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Sun Feb 03, 2019 9:14 am

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The only reason I can think why they are doing this is to bridge a 787 into BNE, which they currently do via MEL/LAX.


They are doing it to rotate 787s into SYD in the short-term but longer term I can certainly see what you are thinking. LAX doesn’t always have to be the overlap in the network.


It didn't even occur to me that it was to bridge 787s into SYD. That makes sense. It's interesting how they flow through the system: MEL-LAX-BNE-HKG-SYD-HKG-BNE-LAX-JFK-LAX-MEL (with additional SYD-HKG and BNE-LAX rotations in between)
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Sun Feb 03, 2019 9:38 am

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EK413 wrote:
Sydscott wrote:


Or if the QF/AA joint venture gets up maybe LAX goes all 787 and Chile and JNB get the A380. It'll be interesting to see what they do.


I doubt JNB & SCL will be upgauged to A380’s. Would be interesting though to see how these 2 routes pan out once we say farewell to the B747.

EK413


NZ use an 77E to EZE and LA uses an 789 to SCL it’s defiantly possible, just requires the airline to have earned the full EDTO rating for it to happen.


A B789 on SCL & JNB would be far more suitable allowing QF to increase both service’s to daily. At the same time introducing the PER-JNB service to make up for the capacity drop & provide pax an option.

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Sun Feb 03, 2019 9:47 am

Looks like Townsville Airport shut at 6:20pm today due to the weather conditions. All flights are cancelled and three flights have diverted to Brisbane (including two from Brisbane).
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Sun Feb 03, 2019 9:51 am

Perth Airport put a pin to the Perth - Joburg. Hopefully they get their act together as Ethiopian is sniffing around to get in on the Melbourne - Addis Ababa with an A359
 
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Sun Feb 03, 2019 10:20 am

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Perth Airport put a pin to the Perth - Joburg. Hopefully they get their act together as Ethiopian is sniffing around to get in on the Melbourne - Addis Ababa with an A359


Just like PER-LHR QF had to negotiate with PER Airport to allow services to operate from T3 & T4. Confident QF & PER Airport will come to an agreement considering QF is their largest client & the benefits the Route brings to WA.

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Sun Feb 03, 2019 10:44 am

EK413 wrote:
Captdasbomb wrote:
Perth Airport put a pin to the Perth - Joburg. Hopefully they get their act together as Ethiopian is sniffing around to get in on the Melbourne - Addis Ababa with an A359


Just like PER-LHR QF had to negotiate with PER Airport to allow services to operate from T3 & T4. Confident QF & PER Airport will come to an agreement considering QF is their largest client & the benefits the Route brings to WA.

EK413


Hopefully JNB will up and running later this year. AJ was in town a couple of weeks ago and was meeting PAPL, since the meeting its been awfully quiet from both sides so hopefully some progress was made.

It will be interesting to see what SA's reaction will be, either we will see a reduction in frequency or they will replace the A343 with the A332.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Sun Feb 03, 2019 11:42 am

RyanairGuru wrote:
qf002 wrote:
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The only reason I can think why they are doing this is to bridge a 787 into BNE, which they currently do via MEL/LAX.


They are doing it to rotate 787s into SYD in the short-term but longer term I can certainly see what you are thinking. LAX doesn’t always have to be the overlap in the network.


It didn't even occur to me that it was to bridge 787s into SYD. That makes sense. It's interesting how they flow through the system: MEL-LAX-BNE-HKG-SYD-HKG-BNE-LAX-JFK-LAX-MEL (with additional SYD-HKG and BNE-LAX rotations in between)


Interesting, but also very prone to cancellations if a frame goes tech. Stuff like this does not make for stable scheduling, so they will need a SYD 787 base sooner than later.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Sun Feb 03, 2019 11:46 am

SAA are pretty much screwed. Their days of charging a premium are well & truly over. Hopefully AJ wrote Perth airport a fat cheque & its all good in the hood. Well till 2025 when they shut T3/T4
 
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Sun Feb 03, 2019 11:52 am

aviationaware wrote:
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qf002 wrote:

They are doing it to rotate 787s into SYD in the short-term but longer term I can certainly see what you are thinking. LAX doesn’t always have to be the overlap in the network.


It didn't even occur to me that it was to bridge 787s into SYD. That makes sense. It's interesting how they flow through the system: MEL-LAX-BNE-HKG-SYD-HKG-BNE-LAX-JFK-LAX-MEL (with additional SYD-HKG and BNE-LAX rotations in between)


Interesting, but also very prone to cancellations if a frame goes tech. Stuff like this does not make for stable scheduling, so they will need a SYD 787 base sooner than later.


They will have to set a base there. Not sure what the plan is on heavy maintenance of the 787s will be in Brisbane or Sydney or overseas
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Sun Feb 03, 2019 11:55 am

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Perth Airport put a pin to the Perth - Joburg. Hopefully they get their act together as Ethiopian is sniffing around to get in on the Melbourne - Addis Ababa with an A359


Hopefully ET confirms MEL soon - they seem very keen, MEL is long overdue for a Africa service. I don't, however see it affecting PER if ET was to launch MEL, I heard that ET is exploring a stop-over destination such as BKK. Any traffic that ET carries exMEL would most likely be transfer pax to Nth & Central Africa and Europe.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Sun Feb 03, 2019 12:32 pm

Captdasbomb wrote:
SAA are pretty much screwed. Their days of charging a premium are well & truly over. Hopefully AJ wrote Perth airport a fat cheque & its all good in the hood. Well till 2025 when they shut T3/T4


A PER-JNB service probably depends a lot on how the economics of the route turn out when it goes 747 to 787. In the current state it would probably have too much of an adverse effect on the SYD route which is not a top performer.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Sun Feb 03, 2019 12:45 pm

There’s no way QF would drop A380s from SYD or MEL-LAX. It’s a gold mine for them.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Sun Feb 03, 2019 12:48 pm

aviationaware wrote:
Captdasbomb wrote:
SAA are pretty much screwed. Their days of charging a premium are well & truly over. Hopefully AJ wrote Perth airport a fat cheque & its all good in the hood. Well till 2025 when they shut T3/T4


A PER-JNB service probably depends a lot on how the economics of the route turn out when it goes 747 to 787. In the current state it would probably have too much of an adverse effect on the SYD route which is not a top performer.


Without knowing all the detail, SYD-JNB is possibly one of QF’s most profitable international routes. PER-JNB was/is meant to be seasonal.
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Sun Feb 03, 2019 1:58 pm

kriskim wrote:
Captdasbomb wrote:
Perth Airport put a pin to the Perth - Joburg. Hopefully they get their act together as Ethiopian is sniffing around to get in on the Melbourne - Addis Ababa with an A359


Hopefully ET confirms MEL soon - they seem very keen, MEL is long overdue for a Africa service. I don't, however see it affecting PER if ET was to launch MEL, I heard that ET is exploring a stop-over destination such as BKK. Any traffic that ET carries exMEL would most likely be transfer pax to Nth & Central Africa and Europe.


Most of the Perth - Joburg pax is transit to Harare, Vic Falls & Lusaka. So ET will undercut SA & EK. At BKK they may face stiff competition from Kenya Airways
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Sun Feb 03, 2019 2:14 pm

Captdasbomb wrote:
kriskim wrote:
Captdasbomb wrote:
Perth Airport put a pin to the Perth - Joburg. Hopefully they get their act together as Ethiopian is sniffing around to get in on the Melbourne - Addis Ababa with an A359


Hopefully ET confirms MEL soon - they seem very keen, MEL is long overdue for a Africa service. I don't, however see it affecting PER if ET was to launch MEL, I heard that ET is exploring a stop-over destination such as BKK. Any traffic that ET carries exMEL would most likely be transfer pax to Nth & Central Africa and Europe.


Most of the Perth - Joburg pax is transit to Harare, Vic Falls & Lusaka. So ET will undercut SA & EK. At BKK they may face stiff competition from Kenya Airways


Considering the amount of South Africans in Perth - I highly disagree most pax are connecting to Zimbabwe and Zambia. CPT and DUR would see the most connecting pax.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Sun Feb 03, 2019 2:34 pm

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Without knowing all the detail, SYD-JNB is possibly one of QF’s most profitable international routes.


I'm inclined to agree - higher fares than to the US but shorter sectors. There is also a surprisingly large volume of corporate traffic going between Australia and Africa these days and it's a growing market.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Sun Feb 03, 2019 8:38 pm

aviationaware wrote:
Captdasbomb wrote:
SAA are pretty much screwed. Their days of charging a premium are well & truly over. Hopefully AJ wrote Perth airport a fat cheque & its all good in the hood. Well till 2025 when they shut T3/T4


A PER-JNB service probably depends a lot on how the economics of the route turn out when it goes 747 to 787. In the current state it would probably have too much of an adverse effect on the SYD route which is not a top performer.


Out of interest, what makes you think this?

Everything that has ever been said about this route suggests that it is very lucrative. Are you basing your comment on any actual information, or just your opinion?
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Sun Feb 03, 2019 10:38 pm

Any update on JV approval?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Sun Feb 03, 2019 11:03 pm


nomorerjs wrote:
Any update on JV approval?


Was rumoured to be FEB, but perhaps the government shut down maybe have slowed it up?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Sun Feb 03, 2019 11:29 pm

ben175 wrote:
Captdasbomb wrote:
kriskim wrote:

Hopefully ET confirms MEL soon - they seem very keen, MEL is long overdue for a Africa service. I don't, however see it affecting PER if ET was to launch MEL, I heard that ET is exploring a stop-over destination such as BKK. Any traffic that ET carries exMEL would most likely be transfer pax to Nth & Central Africa and Europe.


Most of the Perth - Joburg pax is transit to Harare, Vic Falls & Lusaka. So ET will undercut SA & EK. At BKK they may face stiff competition from Kenya Airways


Considering the amount of South Africans in Perth - I highly disagree most pax are connecting to Zimbabwe and Zambia. CPT and DUR would see the most connecting pax.



I think your right, tho most South Africans I know would rather go via Dubai or Singapore than fly the national carrier I think QF would be on to a winner. There is a huge population of South africans but also there is quiet a bit of mining activity between WA and the rest of africa. Many WA companies have new mines or provide support services into africa too.

As I used to live near PAPL as a kid anyone else remember seeing Air Zimbabwe back in the day with flights to Harare before QF took it over.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Mon Feb 04, 2019 1:36 am

kriskim wrote:
Captdasbomb wrote:
Perth Airport put a pin to the Perth - Joburg. Hopefully they get their act together as Ethiopian is sniffing around to get in on the Melbourne - Addis Ababa with an A359


Hopefully ET confirms MEL soon - they seem very keen, MEL is long overdue for a Africa service. I don't, however see it affecting PER if ET was to launch MEL, I heard that ET is exploring a stop-over destination such as BKK. Any traffic that ET carries exMEL would most likely be transfer pax to Nth & Central Africa and Europe.


Via BKK would be a significant detour though, and would vaporise the competitive advantage of a non-stop to Africa. If they do a 1-stop could they run via MRU and pick up some premium leisure traffic on the way? Not sure about traffic rights, but much less of a detour than BKK or even CGK.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:32 am

Air Zim PER-HRE... Never happened... Always a QF code share with QF metal. There was a very short lived Seychelles 707 experiment PER-SEZ that tanked rather quickly.
 
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Mon Feb 04, 2019 3:17 am

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Air Zim PER-HRE... Never happened... Always a QF code share with QF metal. There was a very short lived Seychelles 707 experiment PER-SEZ that tanked rather quickly.


I definately saw Air Zim in Perth on more than one occasion and I lived on the flight path in the 80s its an aircraft livery you remember. Just as the Air Pacific 747 used to be seen from time to time.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Mon Feb 04, 2019 4:12 am

I am wondering, if AA will add additional Australian routes with the JV signed with QF.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Mon Feb 04, 2019 4:35 am

Long time, like 15 year, watcher/reader...first time poster, thought I should start to contribute.

Given JQ do 787 maintenance in Melb, I’m assuming the QF will send their 787 fleet though Melb maintenance as well. Am I correct? Also what is the schedule for the 787 versus a traditional frame like a 767 for C & D checks?
 
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Mon Feb 04, 2019 4:57 am

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I am wondering, if AA will add additional Australian routes with the JV signed with QF.


Yes the will, as pointed below and as raised in last month's thread they are looking at some seasonal flying

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Mon Feb 04, 2019 5:12 am

qf789 wrote:
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I am wondering, if AA will add additional Australian routes with the JV signed with QF.


Yes the will, as pointed below and as raised in last month's thread they are looking at some seasonal flying

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https://twitter.com/xJonNYC/status/1083871007335768064


Kind of suprising we don't have those type markets for seasonal/charters. Seems to be huge business in the UK/EU.
Wonder if QF/VA would ever consider going down that track.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Mon Feb 04, 2019 6:53 am

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Would think there will be slowly bringing in more 789s in to Sydney to do the Chile & South Africa legs when the 744s head to the graveyard


They will also need the 789 in SYD to operate SYD-SFO. I would imagine at the time this happens, they will increase MEL-SFO to daily to allow for the drop in capacity from the 744.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Mon Feb 04, 2019 7:05 am

Interesting times for Qantas indeed. Wonder if they will streamline their long haul fleet to 789s & a350s(as a long term replacement for the A380s). Surely Airbus will pitch an A350-1000ULR for project sunrise & a few discounted standard 1000s
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Mon Feb 04, 2019 7:14 am

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Air Zim PER-HRE... Never happened... Always a QF code share with QF metal. There was a very short lived Seychelles 707 experiment PER-SEZ that tanked rather quickly.


I definately saw Air Zim in Perth on more than one occasion and I lived on the flight path in the 80s its an aircraft livery you remember. Just as the Air Pacific 747 used to be seen from time to time.


What time frame, aircraft type and livery did you see ? As far as I'm aware UM never flew to Australia, except via the code share with QF. The FJ would be easily accounted for as being a QF aircraft.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Mon Feb 04, 2019 7:16 am

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Interesting times for Qantas indeed. Wonder if they will streamline their long haul fleet to 789s & a350s(as a long term replacement for the A380s). Surely Airbus will pitch an A350-1000ULR for project sunrise & a few discounted standard 1000s

I doubt the A350 doesn't have the capacity to replace the A380 unless they increase frequency significantly.
So Maybe they might order a larger aircraft to replace the A380.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Mon Feb 04, 2019 7:22 am

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I definately saw Air Zim in Perth on more than one occasion and I lived on the flight path in the 80s its an aircraft livery you remember. Just as the Air Pacific 747 used to be seen from time to time.


According to this site (which has a pic - halfway down the page), UM occasionally did the odd charter out to Australia (incl PER).

http://www.goodall.com.au/photographs/a ... ional.html
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Mon Feb 04, 2019 7:40 am

JQ321 wrote:
Captdasbomb wrote:
Interesting times for Qantas indeed. Wonder if they will streamline their long haul fleet to 789s & a350s(as a long term replacement for the A380s). Surely Airbus will pitch an A350-1000ULR for project sunrise & a few discounted standard 1000s

I doubt the A350 doesn't have the capacity to replace the A380 unless they increase frequency significantly.
So Maybe they might order a larger aircraft to replace the A380.


If a 787 can replace a 747, an sure A350-1000 can replace the A380 with some increased frequency
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Mon Feb 04, 2019 7:49 am

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Hard to say what goes to JNB/SCL, both seem to operate with fairly high load factors on 744s, SCL is only 4-5 weekly though so a daily 789, maybe with a seasonal upgauge to an A380 a few days a week?

JNB will eventually be served from PER in addition to SYD and maybe CPT aswell? Daily 789 replaces 744 ex SYD with a seasonal PER service on an A330?


If SYD goes 787 then I guess they will have that for the O&D and the JNB-PER can be used as the funnel for MEL, ADL, BNE etc so thats peobanly the strategy for when the 747 goes and the seasonal 330 was going to be a test of how that works? I was recently on a JNB-SYD flight and 260 pax were connecting in SYdney to onward destinations.. so whats that about 2/3's?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Mon Feb 04, 2019 7:59 am

SYDSpotter wrote:
waoz1 wrote:

I definately saw Air Zim in Perth on more than one occasion and I lived on the flight path in the 80s its an aircraft livery you remember. Just as the Air Pacific 747 used to be seen from time to time.


According to this site (which has a pic - halfway down the page), UM occasionally did the odd charter out to Australia (incl PER).

http://www.goodall.com.au/photographs/a ... ional.html


Some tasty morsels amongst those photos :D
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Mon Feb 04, 2019 8:00 am

Captdasbomb wrote:
JQ321 wrote:
Captdasbomb wrote:
Interesting times for Qantas indeed. Wonder if they will streamline their long haul fleet to 789s & a350s(as a long term replacement for the A380s). Surely Airbus will pitch an A350-1000ULR for project sunrise & a few discounted standard 1000s

I doubt the A350 doesn't have the capacity to replace the A380 unless they increase frequency significantly.
So Maybe they might order a larger aircraft to replace the A380.


If a 787 can replace a 747, an sure A350-1000 can replace the A380 with some increased frequency
Agreed.
Also been suggested that if it cans the A380 Airbus may look at another A350 stretch... The 1000 is 'only' 74m, 2.5m shorter than the 777-9 and 6m shorter than the possible 10.

But given Qantas owns the A380s and there is seemingly no secondary market I suspect they will be flying to around 2030.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Mon Feb 04, 2019 8:03 am

jupiter2 wrote:

Some tasty morsels amongst those photos :D


Yup, some absolute crackers on that page. Classic liveries and classic planes !
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Mon Feb 04, 2019 8:39 am

moa999 wrote:
Captdasbomb wrote:
JQ321 wrote:
I doubt the A350 doesn't have the capacity to replace the A380 unless they increase frequency significantly.
So Maybe they might order a larger aircraft to replace the A380.


If a 787 can replace a 747, an sure A350-1000 can replace the A380 with some increased frequency
Agreed.
Also been suggested that if it cans the A380 Airbus may look at another A350 stretch... The 1000 is 'only' 74m, 2.5m shorter than the 777-9 and 6m shorter than the possible 10.

But given Qantas owns the A380s and there is seemingly no secondary market I suspect they will be flying to around 2030.


Not to mention lower capacity gives QF a bit more flexibility, and do the traditional trunk routes -LAX/LHR need all that capacity, given broader market fragmentation? ORD,SFO,JFK,DFW & CDG,FRA? Exception maybe slot controlled HKG and SIN, where I could see the 380s finishing up their days.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Mon Feb 04, 2019 10:17 am

Canberra is currently been lashed by storms and QF822 MEL-CBR has diverted to SYD are doing some pretty figures of eight. QF1499 and VA872 are holding, but I expect that both will return to SYD.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Mon Feb 04, 2019 12:34 pm

The BITRE figures for November were interesting considering it was the first full month following NZ/VAs official break up.

VA average load factor to New Zealand was really average (67%) compared to QF (88%), JQ (86%) and NZ (83.5%). Despite having 20k more seats in the market compared to November 2017, VA still carried fewer passengers.

Also some really poor LFs for a lot of the Asian carriers.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Mon Feb 04, 2019 12:59 pm

getluv wrote:
aviationaware wrote:
Captdasbomb wrote:
SAA are pretty much screwed. Their days of charging a premium are well & truly over. Hopefully AJ wrote Perth airport a fat cheque & its all good in the hood. Well till 2025 when they shut T3/T4


A PER-JNB service probably depends a lot on how the economics of the route turn out when it goes 747 to 787. In the current state it would probably have too much of an adverse effect on the SYD route which is not a top performer.


Without knowing all the detail, SYD-JNB is possibly one of QF’s most profitable international routes. PER-JNB was/is meant to be seasonal.


Interesting you mention JNB is possibly one of QF’s most profitable international routes. Yet leading up to the international operations shakeup when QFI was bleeding there was so much speculation QF was going to chop JNB & JFK from their network to name a few. Here we are 2019 & QF are planning to ramp up JNB with additional service from PER (once PAPL wake up) & a SYD-JFK direct.

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2019

Mon Feb 04, 2019 1:05 pm

getluv wrote:
The BITRE figures for November were interesting considering it was the first full month following NZ/VAs official break up.

VA average load factor to New Zealand was really average (67%) compared to QF (88%), JQ (86%) and NZ (83.5%). Despite having 20k more seats in the market compared to November 2017, VA still carried fewer passengers.

Also some really poor LFs for a lot of the Asian carriers.


I think as VA now is being marketed in New Zealand as an alternative carrier to/from Australia they'll start to pick up some more passengers as the months go on...

I recently flew from Brisbane to Auckland and the flight was completely full. Staff were great and the on-board product is definitely much better then it was when they were tied up with Air NZ (apparently they couldn't go "full service" because of Air NZ's "Seats To Suit" model).

Hopefully the December and January numbers improve, as it'll be sad to see them disappear off the Trans-Tasman!

Maybe they or TigerAir could introduce a few more routes...

OOL-CHC
OOL-WLG
TSV-AKL
CNS-AKL
ADL-AKL
ADL-CHC
CBR-AKL
CBR-WLG
MEL-WLG
HBA-AKL

I note that NTL-AKL didnt have that much of a lead up to launch date so hopefully when VA returns these flights at the end of the year loads will improve.

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