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United Airline wrote:Why did UA choose the B777-300ER and ditch the A350-1000? They could have kept the B747-400s for a few more years and replace them with the A350-1000 which is more advanced.
United Airline wrote:Then why not go for the B777-9?
United Airline wrote:Why did they go for the A350-1000 at first?
They have been converted to the A350-900
United Airline wrote:They could have kept the B747-400s for a few more years and replace them with the A350-1000 which is more advanced.
flee wrote:United Airline wrote:Why did they go for the A350-1000 at first?
They have been converted to the A350-900
I think the Airbus order was a legacy from Continental. United are Boeing true and true...
flee wrote:United Airline wrote:Why did they go for the A350-1000 at first?
They have been converted to the A350-900
I think the Airbus order was a legacy from Continental. United are Boeing true and true...
FlyingSicilian wrote:I think many, many moons ago they had A300s-someone correct me if I am wrong.
CriticalPoint wrote:flee wrote:United Airline wrote:Why did they go for the A350-1000 at first?
They have been converted to the A350-900
I think the Airbus order was a legacy from Continental. United are Boeing true and true...
United ordered the A350 prior to the merger. Continental had zero orders
flee wrote:I think the Airbus order was a legacy from Continental. United are Boeing true and true...
flee wrote:United Airline wrote:Why did they go for the A350-1000 at first?
They have been converted to the A350-900
I think the Airbus order was a legacy from Continental. United are Boeing true and true...
CriticalPoint wrote:flee wrote:United Airline wrote:Why did they go for the A350-1000 at first?
They have been converted to the A350-900
I think the Airbus order was a legacy from Continental. United are Boeing true and true...
United ordered the A350 prior to the merger. Continental had zero orders
Airlines0613 wrote:PmUA placed the Airbus A350 order, while pmCO placed the Boeing 787 order leading to the merger having both types.
flee wrote:United Airline wrote:Why did they go for the A350-1000 at first?
They have been converted to the A350-900
I think the Airbus order was a legacy from Continental. United are Boeing true and true...
LAXintl wrote:UA ordered the 77W in 2015 and was able to take delivery in 2016.
The A350-1000 did not even have its first flight till end of 2016 and its first delivery to launch customers in 2018.
_AA_777_MAN wrote:flee wrote:United Airline wrote:Why did they go for the A350-1000 at first?
They have been converted to the A350-900
I think the Airbus order was a legacy from Continental. United are Boeing true and true...
Except its actually Continental that survived the merger retaining most of the management. They just chose to stick with the United name. And UA was the one who ordered the A350 and CO the 787.
eamondzhang wrote:Here we go again, another A vs B thread.
AirKevin wrote:flee wrote:United Airline wrote:Why did they go for the A350-1000 at first?
They have been converted to the A350-900
I think the Airbus order was a legacy from Continental. United are Boeing true and true...
I guess that explains all those A320s that United had.
GatorClark wrote:AirKevin wrote:flee wrote:I think the Airbus order was a legacy from Continental. United are Boeing true and true...
I guess that explains all those A320s that United had.
To be fair, I think the A320's were all bought for TED and were just shunted to mainline when that operation went bellyup. But I do believe that post you quoted is actually the opposite. UA isn't opposed to Airbus and really hasn't been for many years. It was CO that was all Boeing.
GatorClark wrote:AirKevin wrote:flee wrote:I think the Airbus order was a legacy from Continental. United are Boeing true and true...
I guess that explains all those A320s that United had.
To be fair, I think the A320's were all bought for TED and were just shunted to mainline when that operation went bellyup. But I do believe that post you quoted is actually the opposite. UA isn't opposed to Airbus and really hasn't been for many years. It was CO that was all Boeing.
GatorClark wrote:AirKevin wrote:flee wrote:I think the Airbus order was a legacy from Continental. United are Boeing true and true...
I guess that explains all those A320s that United had.
To be fair, I think the A320's were all bought for TED and were just shunted to mainline when that operation went bellyup. But I do believe that post you quoted is actually the opposite. UA isn't opposed to Airbus and really hasn't been for many years. It was CO that was all Boeing.
United Airline wrote:Why did UA choose the B777-300ER and ditch the A350-1000? They could have kept the B747-400s for a few more years and replace them with the A350-1000 which is more advanced.
Perhaps the B777-300ER is bigger? Then why not go for the B777-9?
MrHMSH wrote:CriticalPoint wrote:flee wrote:I think the Airbus order was a legacy from Continental. United are Boeing true and true...
United ordered the A350 prior to the merger. Continental had zero orders
United (pre merger) concurrently ordered 25 787s and 25 A359s, then at a Paris Air Show the merged United decided to upscale the order to 35 and convert to the A35K. But as the 77Ws came in the A35K wasn't really needed, so as a means of not having to pay penalties as well as effectively deferring orders and allowing potential replacement of 77Es down the line they converted to 45 A359s.
Why did they go for the 77W? Fuel prices aren't that high, and haven't been for a little while now, and in that context older tech aircraft become more viable. With that in mind UA got a very good deal on price for late-line 77Ws, and they were available immediately to replace 744s.
The simple answer? Availability and cost.
AirKevin wrote:flee wrote:United Airline wrote:Why did they go for the A350-1000 at first?
They have been converted to the A350-900
I think the Airbus order was a legacy from Continental. United are Boeing true and true...
I guess that explains all those A320s that United had.
Cointrin330 wrote:United got a very good deal on the first batch of 777-300ERs it ordered, as the plane is nearing the end of its production cycle and there is a gap before the assembly line transitions to the updated 777. United most likely got a sweet deal on the 4 additional 777-300ERs it just ordered. United historically, has been a Boeing and McDonnell Douglas operator. There has been a long standing relationship between Boeing and United going back decades. In the early 1990s, United broke with tradition and bought 100 A320 family jets because the 737s on offer at the time did not have the range to handle transcontinental flights and Airbus scored a victory and a big order with one of the big 3 US carriers. Continental operated Airbus A300s from the late 1980s into the mid-1990s because it inherited them from Eastern Airlines. Eastern and Continental were sister airlines, under the Texas Air Corporation umbrella Frank Lorenzo created in the 1980s. Continental's fleet renewal program launched in 1993 as it emerged from its second bankruptcy was an ALL BOEING affair, with 737-500s, 757-200s being the first part of a multi-year order, followed up by the 737-700/800/900/900ER later and the wide body fleet renewal was focused on transitioning from 747-200s and DC10-30s to 767-200/400ER and 777-200ER.
jakubz wrote:I thought part of the deal with the 777-300ER's was a straight swap for 787 slots. United got the 777-300ER's instead of 787's at no extra cost. Boeing gets to keep the 777 line going and to open up lucrative 787 slots to sell.
Please correct me if I am wrong.
B764er wrote:United Airlines and Boeing Aircraft co. were both founded by the same person. So along with United Technologies (note the "United") the Boeing Aircraft/United Airlines/Pratt & Whitney connection is close & tight. United will always buy planes and engines from it's two brothers. Not a surprise for anyone that knows their history. They will also buy the 777x, that's why they downsized the A350's ordered to the -900 model and only placed a new small order for the 773.
The 777x is going to be their new flagship, Its only a matter of when. The A320 is there because of UA. At that time CO was a Boeing - only airline. Having the 2 best selling narrow body jets in their fleet didn't hurt anyone. It's only helped to keep the A and B fans coming back to fly "the friendly skies."
CriticalPoint wrote:flee wrote:United Airline wrote:Why did they go for the A350-1000 at first?
They have been converted to the A350-900
I think the Airbus order was a legacy from Continental. United are Boeing true and true...
United ordered the A350 prior to the merger. Continental had zero orders